Neoliberals = Self Righteous Cynics

[ihopehefails]

No such thing as a conservative atheist?

No such thing as a devout liberal?

Are you really this stupid?

Explain to me why Obama can tell the NYSE that they made to much money and have the left say 'it is wrong' for them to be rich. What do they base this on? Are they quoting bible scripture like Christians do when they disagree with abortion? Its like they are saying my own personal moral beliefs are identical to my political beliefs which makes modern liberalism much more like a religion.

I know that conservative say things like conservative family values but that is because we have fallen into this trap of equating our personal beliefs with political beliefs.

Explain to me why you didn't answer a single question

There is no point other than the one I made but if you insist...

I suppose that there are conservative atheist and devout liberals but where do they get their personal values from and where do devout liberals get their values from? The distinction is important because if you get your politics from your religion then you are normal but if you get your religion from your politics then you are something else.

I've heard this before that politics gives you meaning to your life and most of the time I hear it from liberals. I see it in their slogans of 'liberal values' that they live their lives by.

 

[rightwinger]

When I say "neoliberals," i'm refering those with a mindset typical to most of USMB's self described liberals. I refuse to call them liberals simply because in my opinion they are anything but true liberals. A true liberal believes in live and let live liberty, not the authoritarian imposition of what they think is right for everyone. That, is decidedly Non-liberal.

The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them. First, I say they're cynics because they obviously have zero faith in the overall goodness of humanity. To believe that social ills and inequities will never get resolved in the course of normal human progess betrays a striking absence of confidence in one's fellow man. And to take that a step further and believe that one's own opinion of right and wrong is so superior to everyone else's demonstrates a deep seeded feeling of self-righteousness historically reserved for bible thumpers. The similarities between modern neoliberals and the puritans, inquisitors and moors of the past vasty outweigh the differences. Quite simply, neoliberalism is a religion without a deity.

I totally agree with you....but think it could apply to both sides of the political spectrum

Don't you?

No because conservatives get their moral superiority from their personal beliefs based on their religion while liberals get it from their political beliefs. Its why liberals say things like "i'm a liberal which makes me not a racist' and conservatives say "I'm a christian therefore not a racist".

If this is wrong then ask yourself where do liberals get their values from. Do they get them from their politics or from a religion?

Let me explain something to you ihopehefails...

This is a Political Message Board. It contains posts from Americans arguing over how the problems of this country should be resolved. It gets heated and personal at times. But people on the other side are still Americans, they are not evil, they can worship God or not worship God. One side is not more moral than the other, one side is not Gods favorite.
You need to lighten up, my friend. This is just Politics.
People still go home , raise their families and are good Americans

 

[boedicca]

There's another way to view this:

Progressives believe that institutions and government structures can minimize the impact of human imperfections. Hence, they strive to increase the scope of government control over individuals. Their solution is to pass hate laws and laws against discrimination.

Classical Liberals (who are now Fiscal Conservatives/Social Liberals), realize that government control often has unintended negative consequences. Witness how race relations are deteriorating as more laws create a hyper awareness of racial issues. A classical liberal would combat racism by stressing the supremacy of the individual in a free society, and the equal rights of each individual to live his life without interference by others.

It is not necessary to be a Christian to accept the "inalienable" nature of individual rights.

I've noticed this as well but I also see the same progressive idea that government has to minimize human imperfection in conservatives as well. Think of 'family values' and tax breaks that are designed to promote the family institution in society. Its just as bad as taxing cigs and tanning salons because both are a way that government uses its power to minimize the impact of human imperfection or the use of their own free will that doesn't jive with the current people in power.

In my opinion, progressivism is the true disease in this country that has to be wiped out in both parties.

The type of Conservatives that wish the government to micromanage private lives are just the flipside of the same coin which includes Progressives who want to redistribute income.

Classical Liberalism is not Social Conservatism (just like it is not Progressivism).

 

[ihopehefails]

Please post a link where he says "it is wrong for them to be rich."

Sounds like you've got an earful of conservative talking-head theater.

I hear every time that we want some kind of flat tax and here about the injustice of the rich getting richer. I'm not going to waste my time finding something that I know is true simply because you wiped it from your memory.

My apologies, you didn't quote Obama as making that statement (never has, nothing close), you've got "the left" saying it, whoever that is.

Getting richer by exploiting the poor? Yes it's wrong, but moreover it's un-sustainable. That's what you cons have to get through your thick heads, it's not just moral policing here, it's the fact that when you get too much wealth concentration you wind up with a very unstable economy. And an unstable economy is an unstable everything.

The problem is is that you think it is wrong but maybe other people don't so why do they lose the freedom to engage in what they think is right for themselves? Who made you so great that you can decide what is right and wrong for everyone?

You might come up with reasons why the rich getting richer harms the economy and all that but its like talking to someone who believe in creationism. No matter what you tell them they will hold onto the fact that God created the world in six days simply because it is an article of faith for them.

 

[Ravi]

Explain to me why Obama can tell the NYSE that they made to much money and have the left say 'it is wrong' for them to be rich. What do they base this on? Are they quoting bible scripture like Christians do when they disagree with abortion? Its like they are saying my own personal moral beliefs are identical to my political beliefs which makes modern liberalism much more like a religion.

I know that conservative say things like conservative family values but that is because we have fallen into this trap of equating our personal beliefs with political beliefs.

Please post a link where he says "it is wrong for them to be rich."

Sounds like you've got an earful of conservative talking-head theater.

I hear every time that we want some kind of flat tax and here about the injustice of the rich getting richer. I'm not going to waste my time finding something that I know is true simply because you wiped it from your memory.

Liar.

 

[ihopehefails]

I totally agree with you....but think it could apply to both sides of the political spectrum

Don't you?

No because conservatives get their moral superiority from their personal beliefs based on their religion while liberals get it from their political beliefs. Its why liberals say things like "i'm a liberal which makes me not a racist' and conservatives say "I'm a christian therefore not a racist".

If this is wrong then ask yourself where do liberals get their values from. Do they get them from their politics or from a religion?

Let me explain something to you ihopehefails...

This is a Political Message Board. It contains posts from Americans arguing over how the problems of this country should be resolved. It gets heated and personal at times. But people on the other side are still Americans, they are not evil, they can worship God or not worship God. One side is not more moral than the other, one side is not Gods favorite.
You need to lighten up, my friend. This is just Politics.
People still go home , raise their families and are good Americans

Did I actually say that I agreed that other people are morally superiour. I just said that this is how people think.

 

[ihopehefails]

There's another way to view this:

Progressives believe that institutions and government structures can minimize the impact of human imperfections. Hence, they strive to increase the scope of government control over individuals. Their solution is to pass hate laws and laws against discrimination.

Classical Liberals (who are now Fiscal Conservatives/Social Liberals), realize that government control often has unintended negative consequences. Witness how race relations are deteriorating as more laws create a hyper awareness of racial issues. A classical liberal would combat racism by stressing the supremacy of the individual in a free society, and the equal rights of each individual to live his life without interference by others.

It is not necessary to be a Christian to accept the "inalienable" nature of individual rights.

I've noticed this as well but I also see the same progressive idea that government has to minimize human imperfection in conservatives as well. Think of 'family values' and tax breaks that are designed to promote the family institution in society. Its just as bad as taxing cigs and tanning salons because both are a way that government uses its power to minimize the impact of human imperfection or the use of their own free will that doesn't jive with the current people in power.

In my opinion, progressivism is the true disease in this country that has to be wiped out in both parties.

The type of Conservatives that wish the government to micromanage private lives are just the flipside of the same coin which includes Progressives who want to redistribute income.

Classical Liberalism is not Social Conservatism (just like it is not Progressivism).

Exactly.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

When I say "neoliberals," i'm refering those with a mindset typical to most of USMB's self described liberals. I refuse to call them liberals simply because in my opinion they are anything but true liberals. A true liberal believes in live and let live liberty, not the authoritarian imposition of what they think is right for everyone. That, is decidedly Non-liberal.

The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them. First, I say they're cynics because they obviously have zero faith in the overall goodness of humanity. To believe that social ills and inequities will never get resolved in the course of normal human progess betrays a striking absence of confidence in one's fellow man. And to take that a step further and believe that one's own opinion of right and wrong is so superior to everyone else's demonstrates a deep seeded feeling of self-righteousness historically reserved for bible thumpers. The similarities between modern neoliberals and the puritans, inquisitors and moors of the past vasty outweigh the differences. Quite simply, neoliberalism is a religion without a deity.

I totally agree with you....but think it could apply to both sides of the political spectrum

Don't you?

No because conservatives get their moral superiority from their personal beliefs based on their religion while liberals get it from their political beliefs. Its why liberals say things like "i'm a liberal which makes me not a racist' and conservatives say "I'm a christian therefore not a racist".

If this is wrong then ask yourself where do liberals get their values from. Do they get them from their politics or from a religion?

Liberals have values?

 

[ihopehefails]

i totally agree with you....but think it could apply to both sides of the political spectrum

don't you?

no because conservatives get their moral superiority from their personal beliefs based on their religion while liberals get it from their political beliefs. Its why liberals say things like "i'm a liberal which makes me not a racist' and conservatives say "i'm a christian therefore not a racist".

If this is wrong then ask yourself where do liberals get their values from. Do they get them from their politics or from a religion?

liberals have values?

lol.

 

[Flopper]

Neo-Liberals are really Progressives.

It's a shame that they have perverted the meaning of the word Liberal, which more appropriately should be associated with Classical Liberalim.

Part of their strategy does involve twisting the meaning of words, as we see demonstrated on a daily basis.

“Don't rely too much on labels, for too often they are fables”
Charles H. Spurgeon

 

[Cuyo]

I hear every time that we want some kind of flat tax and here about the injustice of the rich getting richer. I'm not going to waste my time finding something that I know is true simply because you wiped it from your memory.

My apologies, you didn't quote Obama as making that statement (never has, nothing close), you've got "the left" saying it, whoever that is.

Getting richer by exploiting the poor? Yes it's wrong, but moreover it's un-sustainable. That's what you cons have to get through your thick heads, it's not just moral policing here, it's the fact that when you get too much wealth concentration you wind up with a very unstable economy. And an unstable economy is an unstable everything.

The problem is is that you think it is wrong but maybe other people don't so why do they lose the freedom to engage in what they think is right for themselves? Who made you so great that you can decide what is right and wrong for everyone?

I can tell you that after the 30-year Republican booze cruise, we have unbelievable wealth concentration, the wealthy have infiltrated the government and the media, and we are going the way of Rome. Is that clear enough for you?

All this jingoistic rhetoric about people losing their freedom you're echoing here is mumbo-jumbo. It's been spoon fed to you by the enemy, but they've gotten ahold of a soft spot in your soul and now have you as their foot soldier. You go to the polls no doubt every chance you get and vote (R) right against your own best interests.

Your fine moniker of ihopehefails is proof positive that the Dems can do no right in your book, so keep up the fine work little sheep. You may convince your family how smart you are at Thanksgiving, but I guarantee everyone here on both sides of the spectrum knows your an idiot; the only exceptions may be the other idiots.

You are a nuisance and I'd like for you to go away now. Go on, just log off and be somewhere else forever. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

 

[manifold]

When I say "neoliberals," i'm refering those with a mindset typical to most of USMB's self described liberals. I refuse to call them liberals simply because in my opinion they are anything but true liberals. A true liberal believes in live and let live liberty, not the authoritarian imposition of what they think is right for everyone. That, is decidedly Non-liberal.

The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them. First, I say they're cynics because they obviously have zero faith in the overall goodness of humanity. To believe that social ills and inequities will never get resolved in the course of normal human progess betrays a striking absence of confidence in one's fellow man. And to take that a step further and believe that one's own opinion of right and wrong is so superior to everyone else's demonstrates a deep seeded feeling of self-righteousness historically reserved for bible thumpers. The similarities between modern neoliberals and the puritans, inquisitors and moors of the past vasty outweigh the differences. Quite simply, neoliberalism is a religion without a deity.

"The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them."


if these are the teo most obvious characterisc of neo-liberals then glenn beck, rush limbaugh, ann coulter, millions of tea baggers and conservatives and every con on this board must be closet neo-liberals since they, too, exhibit those very same traits.

perhaps another obvious trait of the neo-cons who infest America is just how stupid they all are...

it takes a very stupid person to accuse others of the same traits that they so obviously possess...

now
really
try to be honest

aren't you cynical about America and the liberals you believe are destroying it?
(come on...try no tto lie....)
and don't you truely believe that liberals are STUPID and CONSERVATIVES are SMART?
and don't you believe that conservatives know what is best for America?

of course you do!

fail.

But you are right about neocons being just as bad. But when I wrote this OP I was presently annoyed with neoliberals. I wasn't aware that I'm not allowed to criticize one group of douchers unless I criticize every group of douchers. Oh yeah, I'm not... doucher.

 

[ihopehefails]

My apologies, you didn't quote Obama as making that statement (never has, nothing close), you've got "the left" saying it, whoever that is.

Getting richer by exploiting the poor? Yes it's wrong, but moreover it's un-sustainable. That's what you cons have to get through your thick heads, it's not just moral policing here, it's the fact that when you get too much wealth concentration you wind up with a very unstable economy. And an unstable economy is an unstable everything.

The problem is is that you think it is wrong but maybe other people don't so why do they lose the freedom to engage in what they think is right for themselves? Who made you so great that you can decide what is right and wrong for everyone?

I can tell you that after the 30-year Republican booze cruise, we have unbelievable wealth concentration, the wealthy have infiltrated the government and the media, and we are going the way of Rome. Is that clear enough for you?

All this jingoistic rhetoric about people losing their freedom you're echoing here is mumbo-jumbo. It's been spoon fed to you by the enemy, but they've gotten ahold of a soft spot in your soul and now have you as their foot soldier. You go to the polls no doubt every chance you get and vote (R) right against your own best interests.

Your fine moniker of ihopehefails is proof positive that the Dems can do no right in your book, so keep up the fine work little sheep. You may convince your family how smart you are at Thanksgiving, but I guarantee everyone here on both sides of the spectrum knows your an idiot; the only exceptions may be the other idiots.

You are a nuisance and I'd like for you to go away now. Go on, just log off and be somewhere else forever. Thank you in advance for your cooperation in this matter.

The enemy...ain't you being a little melodramatic here?

The only problem that our government has to address is the preservation of our freedom which is why government exist to begin with. You can go on and on about wealth being concentrated in the hands of the few but the only problem our government has to solve is the when someone's liberty is being violated. Its the only problem it is created to solve so when you can explain how the rich get richer effects the freedom you are entitled to complain.

BTW, I really don't see how the rich getting richer affects me at all since not a single rich person ever got that way by violating my own free will. The only thing that has ever sucked money from me was the government which is why I vent my anger at that.

You accuse me of supporting the rich when it is against my own best wishes but fail to realize that paying higher and increassing taxes to the government does actually hurt people. You then encourage people to pay even more taxes when it goes against their own best interest. Perhaps you should just back up and ask yourself who really does encourage people to act against their own best interest when you think everyone ought to pay more taxes.

 

[Dr Gregg]

When I say "neoliberals," i'm refering those with a mindset typical to most of USMB's self described liberals. I refuse to call them liberals simply because in my opinion they are anything but true liberals. A true liberal believes in live and let live liberty, not the authoritarian imposition of what they think is right for everyone. That, is decidedly Non-liberal.

The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them. First, I say they're cynics because they obviously have zero faith in the overall goodness of humanity. To believe that social ills and inequities will never get resolved in the course of normal human progess betrays a striking absence of confidence in one's fellow man. And to take that a step further and believe that one's own opinion of right and wrong is so superior to everyone else's demonstrates a deep seeded feeling of self-righteousness historically reserved for bible thumpers. The similarities between modern neoliberals and the puritans, inquisitors and moors of the past vasty outweigh the differences. Quite simply, neoliberalism is a religion without a deity.

 

[Coyote]

When I say "neoliberals," i'm refering those with a mindset typical to most of USMB's self described liberals. I refuse to call them liberals simply because in my opinion they are anything but true liberals. A true liberal believes in live and let live liberty, not the authoritarian imposition of what they think is right for everyone. That, is decidedly Non-liberal.

The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them. First, I say they're cynics because they obviously have zero faith in the overall goodness of humanity. To believe that social ills and inequities will never get resolved in the course of normal human progess betrays a striking absence of confidence in one's fellow man. And to take that a step further and believe that one's own opinion of right and wrong is so superior to everyone else's demonstrates a deep seeded feeling of self-righteousness historically reserved for bible thumpers. The similarities between modern neoliberals and the puritans, inquisitors and moors of the past vasty outweigh the differences. Quite simply, neoliberalism is a religion without a deity.

Sounds suspiciously like Neo-Conservatives to me.

 

[manifold]

When I say "neoliberals," i'm refering those with a mindset typical to most of USMB's self described liberals. I refuse to call them liberals simply because in my opinion they are anything but true liberals. A true liberal believes in live and let live liberty, not the authoritarian imposition of what they think is right for everyone. That, is decidedly Non-liberal.

The two most obvious character traits of the neoliberal is cynicism and the self-rightous belief that not only do they know better than others what is good for them, but they are also entitled to do whatever it takes to impose their views upon them. First, I say they're cynics because they obviously have zero faith in the overall goodness of humanity. To believe that social ills and inequities will never get resolved in the course of normal human progess betrays a striking absence of confidence in one's fellow man. And to take that a step further and believe that one's own opinion of right and wrong is so superior to everyone else's demonstrates a deep seeded feeling of self-righteousness historically reserved for bible thumpers. The similarities between modern neoliberals and the puritans, inquisitors and moors of the past vasty outweigh the differences. Quite simply, neoliberalism is a religion without a deity.

Excellent points. You've given me much to think about.

 

[Luissa]

My family has been democrats/liberals forever, with my ancestors being southern democrats.