Neocon Fossil Bob Bennett (Squish-UT) Ditched

[Big Fitz]

Them moving right in the first place would be a good start.

Not if they want to win in the general. This is a center-right country. Not a far right country.

And the nation has been dragged left far enough that a good strong yank to the right will center it back where it should be, centered on individual responsibility and ending entitlement junkies and the bribeocracy.

 

[MaggieMae]

Even though they have total power for intents? As they rammed healthcare down our throats knowing the people didn't want it?
No, they KNOW what's coming. The people's scorn in November. And they're running like scalded DOGS.

You are fantasically delusional.

The polls showed that "people" were basically split over the health care bill as passed. However, until the extremists started making the bigger headlines with their bitching and moaning, health care reform was listed as the #2 priority by ALL THE POLLS.

That's hy several States have joined in lawsuits to repeal it? Why present polling against it grows? Of course the Economy/Jobs were #1...and guess what? Healthcare takes over 1/7th of the Economy by unConstitutional Mandate.

Sorry. I thought you were smarter than this. The people's voices will soon drown YOURS and those like you out at the Polls come November. *BET on it*

Well according to a recent WAPO article (sorry, don't have the link immediately at my fingertips), only 62 of the 177 House Repubicans have signed on to a bill that would repeal the health care reform bill. Steve King, sponsor of the bill, said that too many GOP members "aren't committed to full repeal and want to keep provisions of the new law."

So there ya go. When push comes to shove, apparently most people DO want healthcare reform. They just don't want to pay for it.

 

[MaggieMae]

You're no more a republican than am I.

Just give up the façade...Nobody -and I mean nobody- is buying it.

Personally, I don't care. He makes a helluva lot more sense than some of the rabid dingbats who constantly criticize him.

 

[Oddball]

That he makes sense to you 'splains a lot.

 

[MaggieMae]

Even though they have total power for intents? As they rammed healthcare down our throats knowing the people didn't want it?
No, they KNOW what's coming. The people's scorn in November. And they're running like scalded DOGS.

You are fantasically delusional.

The polls showed that "people" were basically split over the health care bill as passed. However, until the extremists started making the bigger headlines with their bitching and moaning, health care reform was listed as the #2 priority by ALL THE POLLS.

Don't blur the line between this disastrous law and healthcare reform. The 2 are unrelated.
When asked about this bill, polled people were 52% opposed and 54% favored repealing it.
Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports

Those percentages are hardly a swamp, even by Rasumussen standards.

 

[geauxtohell]

As it stands, the GOP is Leftist Lite®.

Merely talking like libertarians, only to govern like democrats, hardly qualifies anyone as "hard right".

Whether that is true or not, the fact is that people equate conservatism to the likes of the GOP and talk radio.

It might not be your brand of conservatism, but it's the recognized brand and it's about as in demand as dog-shit-on-a-stick these days.

 

[geauxtohell]

Them moving right in the first place would be a good start.

Not if they want to win in the general. This is a center-right country. Not a far right country.

And the nation has been dragged left far enough that a good strong yank to the right will center it back where it should be, centered on individual responsibility and ending entitlement junkies and the bribeocracy.

This might make some sense if they country hadn't just survived eight years of George W. Bush. Six of which were also with a GOP congress.

The "conservative" brand has been shoved down the American people's throats enough already.

 

[MaggieMae]

Actually, it allows for a moderate party to form due to the epic collapse of the Republican party.

The Democrats will always be a pluristic party, but its very size is a detriment for other ideology to gain a permanent grip on its leadership.

No--Let the Tea baggers trigger the Right Wing revolution. I warned our right wing friends on this board, the tea bag movement lack a core message!

Wait--wait--they do have a message! It is "Die, Republican Party! DIE"
and more fierce than a leftist could ever say it!!

That would mean dismissing Reagan. Who would their icon become?

 

[MaggieMae]

I've been following the story, it has been very interesting. I see it as the Tea Party conservatives leading the Republicans in giving up the middle ground. Which is good in that it should allow the Democrats an opening to move towards the center and be less liberal.

Can you tell me when the last time the dems went more 'center'?

This past election, they ran a bunch of blue dogs to get the vote, and when those 'more to the center' guys got to DC, most of them caved (all in the Senate). Plenty of people at the tea parties are dems that feel 'betrayed' by their 'representatives'; they are not being represented in DC.

Can you give me any examples of how the dems would move more to the 'center'?

I keep hearing about all these thousands of Democrats that are supposed to be members of the Tea Party. Does anyone actually have any figures? Or is this just a propaganda stunt?

 

[Oddball]

Not if they want to win in the general. This is a center-right country. Not a far right country.

And the nation has been dragged left far enough that a good strong yank to the right will center it back where it should be, centered on individual responsibility and ending entitlement junkies and the bribeocracy.

This might make some sense if they country hadn't just survived eight years of George W. Bush. Six of which were also with a GOP congress.

The "conservative" brand has been shoved down the American people's throats enough already.

There was little to nothing "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) about Shrubbie Chimpola and his neocon congress....That bunch had far more in common with LBJ than they did with Goldwater, or even Reagan.

 

[Big Fitz]

The polls showed that "people" were basically split over the health care bill as passed. However, until the extremists started making the bigger headlines with their bitching and moaning, health care reform was listed as the #2 priority by ALL THE POLLS.

That's hy several States have joined in lawsuits to repeal it? Why present polling against it grows? Of course the Economy/Jobs were #1...and guess what? Healthcare takes over 1/7th of the Economy by unConstitutional Mandate.

Sorry. I thought you were smarter than this. The people's voices will soon drown YOURS and those like you out at the Polls come November. *BET on it*

Well according to a recent WAPO article (sorry, don't have the link immediately at my fingertips), only 62 of the 177 House Repubicans have signed on to a bill that would repeal the health care reform bill. Steve King, sponsor of the bill, said that too many GOP members "aren't committed to full repeal and want to keep provisions of the new law."

So there ya go. When push comes to shove, apparently most people DO want healthcare reform. They just don't want to pay for it.

Hence the accuracy of calling it a "Deadbeat Crisis".

 

[MaggieMae]

I've been following the story, it has been very interesting. I see it as the Tea Party conservatives leading the Republicans in giving up the middle ground. Which is good in that it should allow the Democrats an opening to move towards the center and be less liberal.

Can you tell me when the last time the dems went more 'center'?

This past election, they ran a bunch of blue dogs to get the vote, and when those 'more to the center' guys got to DC, most of them caved (all in the Senate). Plenty of people at the tea parties are dems that feel 'betrayed' by their 'representatives'; they are not being represented in DC.

Can you give me any examples of how the dems would move more to the 'center'?

Any attempt by the current administration is seen as a leftist maneuver, so it doesn't seem to matter even when they try. After the November elections, maybe there will be a few more Republicans willing to compromise on moving to the center on such issues as immigration and energy, but not now with the clowns currently residing on The Hill.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Bennett broke faith with his constituents on several important issues.

You break a promise, you have to face the consequences.

And one of the promises was term limits. And the other was no government bailouts. He had to go.
This is not a left/ right issue. This is an issue of truth and lies. If the pol keeps lying to you, do you keep voting him in?

Next year there will be a new face from Utah. That is a good thing in itself.

And he will know that the voters want him to keep his promises. Or else. That is another good thing, irrespective of party.

 

[MaggieMae]

I've been following the story, it has been very interesting. I see it as the Tea Party conservatives leading the Republicans in giving up the middle ground. Which is good in that it should allow the Democrats an opening to move towards the center and be less liberal.

Like I said...it will make for an interesting November.

At what point does the GOP tell the Tea Party to go fuck themselves? They have a Tiger by the tail and are afraid to let go

The people that agree with the 'tea party' ideals are a majority in this country. It would be 'suicide' for a politician to slam the tea party ideals (unless ACORN is in your back pocket, and you don't have to worry about a legitimate vote).

Oh my, what is a day like for you without remembering Acorn? (Which usually has zero to do with anything...)

And the "majority" of this country are NOT aligned with the Tea Party movement. You need to stop listening to all those little voices in your head.

ALL THE CURRENT POLLING ON THE TEA PARTY
Politics

 

[JakeStarkey]

I've been following the story, it has been very interesting. I see it as the Tea Party conservatives leading the Republicans in giving up the middle ground. Which is good in that it should allow the Democrats an opening to move towards the center and be less liberal.

Can you tell me when the last time the dems went more 'center'?

This past election, they ran a bunch of blue dogs to get the vote, and when those 'more to the center' guys got to DC, most of them caved (all in the Senate). Plenty of people at the tea parties are dems that feel 'betrayed' by their 'representatives'; they are not being represented in DC.

Can you give me any examples of how the dems would move more to the 'center'?

I keep hearing about all these thousands of Democrats that are supposed to be members of the Tea Party. Does anyone actually have any figures? Or is this just a propaganda stunt?

I read somewhere the registered democrats are no more than 2 to 4% of the total TPers. That seems about right to me.

 

[Big Fitz]

Not if they want to win in the general. This is a center-right country. Not a far right country.

And the nation has been dragged left far enough that a good strong yank to the right will center it back where it should be, centered on individual responsibility and ending entitlement junkies and the bribeocracy.

This might make some sense if they country hadn't just survived eight years of George W. Bush. Six of which were also with a GOP congress.

The "conservative" brand has been shoved down the American people's throats enough already.

W did two major things right, understood that 9/11 was an act of war and treated it as such and made two potentially fantastic conservative appointments to the SCOTUS.

Financially, domestically he was about as liberal as LBJ, yes. Thanks to allowing libs to get their Medicare D, and No Child Left Behind school 'reform', spending like a drunken sailor as long as it was authored by a RINO, and ignored the border crisis or sided with the illegals.

And as for his foreign policy, he was Woodrow fucking Wilson trying to export America to every corner of the world.

Conservative? not hardly. Don't forget the creation of the DoHS created a MASSIVE increase in public sector unions in the TSA and gubmint spending.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You're no more a republican than am I.

Just give up the façade...Nobody -and I mean nobody- is buying it.

Personally, I don't care. He makes a helluva lot more sense than some of the rabid dingbats who constantly criticize him.

The dingbats to the right, many of them not GOP, critize a moderate centrist Republican for telling it like it is. Too bad and so sad for them. And, yes, I do make much more sense than most of them put together.

 

[MaggieMae]

That explains it.

Explains that you *can't* think for yourself. Instead you fill your little pea with hate, paranoia, liberal bashing and blame the victim propaganda.

Please, explain who you both listen to? In fact, where you watch or hear the news?

I'd like to know..

It's a fair question I'd like to see answered. Probably the DU, HuffNPuff, or some such other nonsense.

Thanks.

Actually, I would answer the question if it were posed by someone who could understand what I was saying. That wouldn't be you or the other guy, especially since you seem to strongly believe that any publication or website that isn't far to the right lacks credibility. That only makes your own credibility suck. Get it?

 

[geauxtohell]

W did two major things right, understood that 9/11 was an act of war and treated it as such and made two potentially fantastic conservative appointments to the SCOTUS.

Financially, domestically he was about as liberal as LBJ, yes. Thanks to allowing libs to get their Medicare D, and No Child Left Behind school 'reform', spending like a drunken sailor as long as it was authored by a RINO, and ignored the border crisis or sided with the illegals.

And as for his foreign policy, he was Woodrow fucking Wilson trying to export America to every corner of the world.

Conservative? not hardly. Don't forget the creation of the DoHS created a MASSIVE increase in public sector unions in the TSA and gubmint spending.

The point is, whether you agree with what W. did or not, the country had eight years of "conservatism". So to act like we've been under the yolk of "socialism" to the point of oppression with no other option is more than a little silly.

He might not have been conservative enough for you guys, he was "too conservative" for America and that's why the GOP lost in '06 and '08.

If you guys want to go further to the right, then by all means. See how that works out for you.

 

[MaggieMae]

We are center???? Are you watching what is happening in Greece and in other countries that this gov is modeling 'our country' after? For Greece to straighten out its finances, IT HAS TO DROP THE GOV-RUN HEALTH CARE (because the gov can't control the costs).
We are leaning hard left, and it is hurting our: business startups, manufacturing, individual rights, our economy, and more. We have some far left groups writing our policies and we are no longer the 'proud' US (our congress and Pres will tell you how terrible this country is at the drop of a hat); we are weak and getting weaker every day this gov is in power.

Sorry, save your teabag nonsense for next meeting at pizza hut. Our books used to be somewhat balanced until we've got 'conservative' presidents for 12 years first and 'compasionate conservative' president for 8 years, somewhere later.

If you want to compare us to Greece, our economy isn't shrinking 3% a year, we do not have morons running the country anymore, and we finally get money saving health plan for US. If you want to be "proud" of US as in GOP running the country well fuck you moron.

What a fucking Dumbass...Guess Obama is one of those Compassionate Conservatives isn't he?

Educate yourself

So you choose to get your information from Heritage while others choose Huffington Post. The information from Heritage is no doubt accurate, but so are many FACTS posted in Huffpo. Maybe if you weren't such a hypocrite, you'd be taken more seriously.