Need to bring back the draft

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    will probably be watered -down.

    But big-shots like Ali and Elvis had to contend with military conscription.

    Fucking have hated the vol military since day 1.

    I was born in 1953.
     
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    Actually, Elvis served, Ali dodged.
     
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    As long as they are held accountable - don't care.

    Ali was not a coward.
     
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    It's not a draft if you get to dodge, then walk away like nothing happened.
     
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    Nothing says American freedom like forced labor.
     
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    Volunteer militaries are highly motivated, highly skilled and very lethal.

    I'd rather have the soldier next to me be someone who volunteered to be there rather than someone who was compelled to be there by law.

    Vietnam was a sneak peek of what 21st century warfare would be like. It was viewed as an anomaly, unconventional and atypical of modern warfare. All the generals, admirals and other so-called experts thought the war of the future would be fought at the Fulda Gap between two superpowers with multi-dimensional forces from the air, land and sea. That war never happened.

    The pattern has been consistent with Vietnam: Grenada, Haiti, Somalia, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan and a dozen combat actions that the public isn't even aware ever took place. you can't fight this type of warfare with draftees. You need motivated warriors who are mission-oriented and willing to think outside the box to achieve results.

    The bigger issue isn't the nature of warfighting forces. The issue is when and why an administration sends troops into harm's way and the overall political objectives it wants the military to achieve.

    Special operations IS the future of warfare. John F. Kennedy knew that, Ronald Reagan understood it, and George W. Bush knew it as well. The problem is within the walls of the Pentagon. But with people like Pete Schoomacker, Henry Shelton and Dick Cody being posted to senior positions, there's hope that the Pentagon will eventually pull its collective head out of its ass and get on board. It's a classic struggle between straight-leg infantry types and snake eaters.
     
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    That would be the real and only reason why those who call for a draft to be re-instated, want a draft reinstated.

    Regardless of what they say the reason is.
     
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    Isn't it ironic that the only war in modern history that needed to be fought was fought and won by a largely drafted Army.
     
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    I've been in the army, active and reserves, for 22 years. I've also worked with Uzbek and Russian soldiers...conscript armies. We don't need that at all. Working with the Uzbeks, they had 2 officers for a platoon, while the US has one. Their NCOs are not experienced soldiers, but only top of their class in basic and have no intitiative or leadership abilities. Unless there was an officer directly present, the NCOs would not direct their soldiers to do anything. That would never happen in the US volunteer army.

    And soldiering has gotten more complicated since the days of shove a musket in the guy's hands and put him in line. We need more independence and confidence and you can't reliabley get that from a conscript...most just want to do their time and get out. We have had remarkble and skilled soldiers from drafts, but volunteers are far more reliable and far more likely to be professionals.
     
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    You may draft all you want for some civilian service. While I believe that military service would help many people learn a trade and instill a sense of pride in themselves, and I believe that a draft would reduce criminal activity.

    I really wouldn't want those draftees to be serving in the active military. Our military is doing just fine without it. Don't need it and the country really doesn't want it.
     

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