Nationalized health care inserted in the Stimulus package

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    Republican Senators are questioning whether President Barack Obama’s stimulus bill contains the right mix of tax breaks and cash infusions to jump-start the economy.

    Tragically, no one from either party is objecting to the health provisions slipped in without discussion. These provisions reflect the handiwork of Tom Daschle, until recently the nominee to head the Health and Human Services Department.

    Senators should read these provisions and vote against them because they are dangerous to your health. (Page numbers refer to H.R. 1 EH, pdf version).

    The bill’s health rules will affect “every individual in the United States” (445, 454, 479). Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system. Having electronic medical records at your fingertips, easily transferred to a hospital, is beneficial. It will help avoid duplicate tests and errors.

    But the bill goes further. One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.” Bloomberg.com: Opinion

    Wow, that will create jobs dictating to doctors what treatments are appropriate....:cuckoo:
     
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    Good post- this news is just breaking big now.

    Should be picking up speed over the next 24 hours.
     
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    Does this mean that private companies won't be dictating to doctors about your health care?

    Does it mean that there will be efficiencies? Will it cut back on the amount of unrequired but financially rewarding tests?

    Will doctors eventually get rid of their God complex?*

    This inquiring mind wishes to know.


    *admitted gross generalisation but it happens
     
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    no the govt will be dictating.

    it may, but i doubt any savings will be realized. see above.

    no, it's a stimulus bill, not a miracle.:lol:
     
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    insurance companies already dictate care.

    how do you know the standard isn't higher in this bill?

    answer: you don't.

    and it governs only medicaid as far as i could tell.

    last time i checked i wasn't medicaid eligible.
     
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    Excellent post, but alas, those who put this bunch in office will shrug it off. I believe that they will also shrug off the economic toll associated with same. Dick Morris refers to the effect on the GDP:
    "As he funds every liberal dream - from alternative energy production to infrastructure renovation to more federal revenue sharing - he will force a massive expansion in the size of government for a decade to come. If the proportion of our $14 trillion GDP absorbed by the public sector increases by $1 trillion dollars, it will mean that government’s share will rise from its current 33% to about 40%, bringing us close to the United Kingdom’s ratio. If Obama adds a major expansion of health care to the mix, the proportion could reach into the mid-forties, French and German territory."
    http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2009/01/22/beware-obamas-trojan-horse/

    Many on the boards have given examples of the non-stimulative aspects of this bill, and even the CBO has found it to be worse than no bill at all, but too many are uninformed, and too many more are resistant to becoming informed.

    But, glad you began this thread.
     
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    Do you have any proof?
     
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    Have you seen this?
    Democratic Stealth Care - WSJ.com
    Under "stimulus," Medicaid is now on offer not to just poor Americans, but Americans who have lost their jobs. And not just Americans who have lost their jobs, but their spouses and their children. And not Americans who recently lost their jobs, but those who lost jobs, say, early last year. And not just Americans who already lost their jobs, but those who will lose their jobs up to 2011. The federal government is graciously footing the whole bill. The legislation also forbids states to apply income tests in most cases.House Democrat Henry Waxman was so thrilled by this blowout, it was left to Republicans to remind him that the very banking millionaires he dragged to the Hill last year for a grilling would now qualify for government aid. His response? A GOP proposal to limit subsidies to Americans with incomes under $1 million was accepted during markup, but had disappeared by final passage. In this new health-care nirvana, even the rich are welcome. CBO estimates? An additional 1.2 million on the federal Medicaid dime in 2009.

    The "stimulus" also hijacks Cobra, a program that lets the unemployed retain access to their former company health benefits -- usually for about 18 months. The new stimulus permits any former employee over the age of 55 to keep using Cobra right up until they qualify for Medicare at age 65. And here's the kicker: Whereas employees were previously responsible for paying their health premiums while on Cobra, now the feds will pay 65%. CBO estimates? Seven million Americans will have the feds mostly pay their insurance bills in 2009.
     
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    Managed care companies have a very strong voice in what your doctor can or cannot do. This is often based on the cost of the procedure involved. Is this the best method of guaranteeing the best care?

    I worked for one for 7 years.
     
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    Going in more detail through the article, I have to point out that currently Medicare already has restrictions on what can be done. The article does not point out in detail what more would be affected.

    Also:(Betsy McCaughey is former lieutenant governor of New York and is an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. The opinions expressed are her own

    The Hudson Institute is a conservative think tank for whatever that is worth.:doubt:

    No, they won't kill our grandparents. They are too strong a voting bloc.
     

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