I amso IR
"Well Yea, Duh"!
- Jul 11, 2015
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"Josf, totally away from the intent of this thread, I sense that I am enjoying your company. The ability to induce thought, comprehension, and learning are nothing short of genius, of sorts. I am not in a position of thought to respond to our conversation, as of yet. Take care, my friend, and as the "Terminator" said, "I'll be back". Oh, and the guy in the fore ground of my icon, yep, that is me, an old goat."
I am extremely fortunate for many reasons, not limited to those rare occasions when agreement is expressed in words.
The Topic can be limited in any way you see fit, and all that would be needed for me to agree to avoid posting in this limited topic is a request to do so. While off on another Topic I found yet another past use of the term Nation in words that may help this topic stay on track according to the intentions of the OP (perhaps not):
AntiFederalist Papers Paper 4 Freedom Documents
"The Confederation, this despised government, merits, in my opinion, the highest encomium--it carried us through a long and dangerous war; it rendered us victorious in that bloody conflict with a powerful nation; it has secured us a territory greater than any European monarch possesses--and shall a government which has been thus strong and vigorous, be accused of imbecility, and abandoned for want of energy? Consider what you are about to do before you part with the government. Take longer time in reckoning things; revolutions like this have happened in almost every country in Europe; similar examples are to be found in ancient Greece and ancient Rome- -instances of the people losing their liberty by their own carelessness and the ambition of a few. We are cautioned . . . against faction and turbulence. I acknowledge that licentiousness is dangerous, and that it ought to be provided against. I acknowledge, also, the new form of government may effectually prevent it. Yet there is another thing it will as effectually do- -it will oppress and ruin the people."
A nation of criminals glorifying their power to enslave everyone including themselves can be compared to a nation of defenders (federated states) happy to live and let live or, if needed, defend each other effectively against all enemies foreign and domestic (such as said Clinton clan or Bush clan for that matter).
The federal system was inevitable. The nation we know today would not exist had the confederation not been abandoned and replaced with a central federal government. You continue to, in past posts, speak of the defense of the nation. As a confederation it would be an impossibility to do so with all of the varied and loose cannon thoughts that abound. By that I simply mean our people are so fragmented today they have no idea nor care, to do what is best for the nation.The talking point you post above, is certainly true. However if you believe that with the maturity and growth of the nation, the enormous size and population which it has today would have been accomplished under the confederation and a limited central government you are sadly mistaken. We have no idea how things would be today, thankfully, as steps were taken to insure the stability of central government. You would trust the treasury of the United States to a confederation. 51 with the junior treasury located in Washington. That is madness, or do you propose that would be the one federal proposal you would grant. One problem however. Who would fund that treasury? I suppose you feel each confederated state would freely give funding to it. Nonsense! The confederated states themselves would have long ago self destructed. Like it or not, thieves and gangsters aside, we as a nation would not be at this point. The faith you display, in confederation is nothing short of wish in one hand and crap in the other, to see which one fills first. Criminals, criminals, criminals, is what you espouse! Under a confederation of the size you want, you would have them, as a cluster of gangs and would resemble a huge Mafia spread over a huge landmass. We exist now because of the fact we are a Union. You slam my usage and understanding of the national language. Fine, but get off this silly and lacking idea of yours that somehow, somewhere, a good fairy confederation would be better serve this nation than the idea of a unified federal system. If taxation is what is giving you heartburn, what do you propose? An honor system? Good luck with that! With a population of 337 million vs the population of the colonial period, this place would be a free fire zone. Perhaps that is what you wish, but I hope not. Could things be better, absolutely! Are things better, absolutely! Are things as wonderful as they could be, NO! Stop dealing in the past, start contributing to the future, and above have some pride in this nation, the nation you are a part of. Aside from my rant, how are you my friend? Well I hope, and you can take that to the bank.
A Dose of National Pride Would Be Good For America.
7/19/2015
America is suffering due to diversity. Diversity divides and creates turmoil. We are “The United States of America”. We are united and not diverse, as a nation, as some wish.
America desperately needs a dose National Pride. Pride unites and increases the level of harmony. Pride creates a sense of being whole, complete and one, universal pride.
Persons born here must be taught that having been born American they have been blessed. They also have inherited the burden of keeping America free from corrupt government and division. All citizens need to be involved.
More importantly, immigrants, regardless of national origin, need to take seriously the fact that they live here, work here and are welcome here. They should fully support this nation, it's people and seek legal citizenship. They sought a new home and have one. Now support it.
Belief that America is free has nothing to do with what will be given. America is not free, in that sense. America takes work, dedication, and giving. In many parts of the world, the population serves the leaders. In America we have a Constitution which states the government serves the people. It is a public responsibility to insure that the government complies. Failure to do so leads to anarchy and the loss of individual freedom. Much as we have today.
Yes, it is time for a sense of National pride in America. This Nation has struggled since it's inception. It continues that struggle today and will tomorrow. America has vested it's people, wealth, material goods, crops, medical care and much more, attempting to help all on this planet. It is the time, now, for America to turn it's aid inward. Americans, in the homeland must require that government care for America. We have done more than any other country, for this planet. Now it is America's turn, not Hillary Clinton's. She said, “It Takes a Village”. Our National Village will do nicely. May God bless America and all of her people.
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National pride is the WORST thing in the history of humanity. Immediately sets you at odds with everyone else. "We're the best! Everyone else sucks!" Well, when you think you're all that and a bag of chips, you tend to marginalize everyone else. Makes it a lot easier to have a war if no one cares much about "them."