National Healthcare in Britain: They just canceled 50,000 surgeries...

[Slyhunter]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Why don't these people just pay for health insurance and get their surgery done privately?
It works so well in the US.

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

 

[idb]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Why don't these people just pay for health insurance and get their surgery done privately?
It works so well in the US.

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

No, it's not illegal.
Everyone has the choice to get health insurance.

 

[2aguy]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Why don't these people just pay for health insurance and get their surgery done privately?
It works so well in the US.

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

The taxes to pay for the horrible NHS are so high, normal people can't afford to get those surgeries from private Doctors.....the Rich can, but not the poor.....

 

[idb]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Why don't these people just pay for health insurance and get their surgery done privately?
It works so well in the US.

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

The taxes to pay for the horrible NHS are so high, normal people can't afford to get those surgeries from private Doctors.....the Rich can, but not the poor.....

Which explains why everyone in the US has health insurance I suppose.
Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

at this rate their health program will rate right there with cuba

another socialist utopia the leftards love so much

We didn't make the top 16.

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

That's why the rest of the world flocks to the US when they need the best healthcare!

That's why Americans flock to Mexico for affordable healthcare.

It may be affordable, but it isn't "healthy" care.

The fact of affordability is wrong.

Sorry! The only thing wrong here is you.

Cost is important, but it keeps people healthy and alive better than anywhere else in the world.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If democrats actually wanted a public option, I would still be a registered democrat. Democrats wouldn't have lost in 2016 if they were for such progressive programs.

What democrats want is more affordable health care ( but not too affordable because their donors still need to make money). We pay more in Healthcare than any other 1st world nation in the world. It's ridiculous we have folks in debt because of medical bills.

Reagan repealing the HMO act was VERY BAD.

The President cannot repeal anything. Have a nice day!

He signed it. No signature, no repeal. Have a nice day!

So, you admit being an idiot? Repeal means that a law was passed specifically repealing that legislation. Reagan cannot pass a law. Have a nice day, idiot!

Reagan signed it.

The bill was sponsored by Henry Waxman, a DEM.

H.R.3235 - 100th Congress (1987-1988): Health Maintenance Organization Amendments of 1988


Democrats in Congress passed it on voice votes. They would have overridden Reagan had he decided to veto it.

Why is this beyond your ability to comprehend? This was a DEM bill passed by a DEM Congress.

 

[Markle]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

This is all because the Tories, the second worst party in the modern world, keep cutting the funding. The UK spends about 8% of GDP on Healthcare while we're over 17% and most countries spend 10 to 12%. And all of them have better outcomes than we do.

Thank you for admitting the obvious. This, as you know, and like Canada, they are just running out of other people's money.

Please show us your source and links. My bet is, as always, you don't have squat which is why I so seldom read your senseless posts.

 

[EnterSandman]

Tommy Taint is nowhere to be found.

He's probably got some little boy cornered somewhere.

 

[Markle]

You don't know anything about these Surgeries.

Also, Hotair is your source? That's like eating hot juicy cat shit fresh out of a litter box.

Grow up and do your research for a change.

HotAir cited their source in the first paragraph. Here you go. We'll be watching for your heartfelt apology.

NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis

 

[Markle]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

This really does blow my mind away, all that money in hidden taxes like Great Britain VAT tax ..all the post we read about Europe's socialised health care was better then the USA

All the money us tax payers spent in the USA to defend them from Russia and they still can't get it right..

Unbelievable

I agree 100% but...we spent a great deal more, in blood and treasure during WW-II, with Russia as an ally defeating the Nazi's.

 

[Markle]

This is what Democrats want for Americans. It's not about improving health care for Americans; it's about dragging us all down to equal substandard care, but hey, everyone will have it and it will be "free."

If it is so substandard, then why does their population enjoy better health outcomes?

Your reliable source and the link will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is "Hot Air", they don't citation anything, you know nothing about the surgeries maybe they are all elective and for things like moles.

It's the UK Telegraph

NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis

And why don't you provide us with some evidence that these are elective mole removals.

I don't care if they ARE elective mole removals. I have no desire to have the government tell me I can't get my moles removed whenever I damned well feel like it.

 

[Old Rocks]

But we have moved up. Under President Obama, we moved up to #35. However, I am sure that President Pussy Grabber can change that. Provided he's not too busy seducing a friends wife. LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

This is "Hot Air", they don't citation anything, you know nothing about the surgeries maybe they are all elective and for things like moles.

It's the UK Telegraph

NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis

And why don't you provide us with some evidence that these are elective mole removals.

I don't care if they ARE elective mole removals. I have no desire to have the government tell me I can't get my moles removed whenever I damned well feel like it.

I do believe you can go that route in Britain. You just have to pay for it. If not, there are places like Costa Rica that have good medical services and a nice place to vacation while in recovery.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

But we have moved up. Under President Obama, we moved up to #35. However, I am sure that President Pussy Grabber can change that. Provided he's not too busy seducing a friends wife. LOL

It always amuses me when you people break out the number 37 line. That has been debunked so many times in the past 18 years since that report came out.

 

[Old Rocks]

This is what Democrats want for Americans. It's not about improving health care for Americans; it's about dragging us all down to equal substandard care, but hey, everyone will have it and it will be "free."

If it is so substandard, then why does their population enjoy better health outcomes?

Your reliable source and the link will be greatly appreciated.

The report compared the U.S. infant mortality rate with that of 28 other developed countries. The CDC defines infant mortality as the death of a baby before his or her first birthday.

In 2010, there were 6.1 deaths for every 1,000 live births in the United States, which was higher than the rates of 25 other countries in the report, including Hungary, Poland, the United Kingdom and Australia.

In the top-ranked countries, Finland and Japan, the infant mortality rate was 2.3 deaths per 1,000 live births — less than half the rate in the United States. [7 Facts About Home Births]

Despite improvements in the U.S. infant mortality rate since 2005, "This pattern of high infant mortality rates in the United States when compared with other developed countries has persisted for many years," the researchers at the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics wrote in the report.

US Ranks Behind 25 Other Countries in Infant Mortality


Back in 1990, shouts a new study published last week in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association, the United States ranked just 20th on life expectancy among the world’s 34 industrial nations. The United States now ranks 27th — despite spending much more on health care than any other nation.

Americans, notes an editorial the journal ran to accompany the study, are losing ground globally “by every” health measure.

Why such poor performance? Media reports on last week’s new State of U.S. Healthstudy hit all the usual suspects: poor diet, poor access to affordable health care, poor personal health habits, and just plain poverty.

Why Is Our Life Expectancy Shorter Than in Other Developed Countries?

There you go.

 

[Cecilie1200]

This is what Democrats want for Americans. It's not about improving health care for Americans; it's about dragging us all down to equal substandard care, but hey, everyone will have it and it will be "free."

If it is so substandard, then why does their population enjoy better health outcomes?

They don't. Anyone who tells you different is a socialist imbecile.

BBC NEWS | Health | Huge gap in world cancer survival

The study showed the US had the highest five-year survival rates for breast cancer at 83.9% and prostate cancer at 91.9%.
The UK had 69.7% survival for breast cancer, just above 40% for colon and rectal cancer for both men and women and 51.1% for prostate cancer.

I don't know what kind of health outcomes YOU are looking for, but survival is the most important one to ME.

 

[Markle]

The wealthy no matter what country receive better healthcare.

Wow! Did you figure that out all by yourself?

Have you noticed, they have bigger houses, more of them and nicer cars too!

 

[2aguy]

This is what Democrats want for Americans. It's not about improving health care for Americans; it's about dragging us all down to equal substandard care, but hey, everyone will have it and it will be "free."

If it is so substandard, then why does their population enjoy better health outcomes?

Your reliable source and the link will be greatly appreciated.

The report compared the U.S. infant mortality rate with that of 28 other developed countries. The CDC defines infant mortality as the death of a baby before his or her first birthday.

In 2010, there were 6.1 deaths for every 1,000 live births in the United States, which was higher than the rates of 25 other countries in the report, including Hungary, Poland, the United Kingdom and Australia.

In the top-ranked countries, Finland and Japan, the infant mortality rate was 2.3 deaths per 1,000 live births — less than half the rate in the United States. [7 Facts About Home Births]

Despite improvements in the U.S. infant mortality rate since 2005, "This pattern of high infant mortality rates in the United States when compared with other developed countries has persisted for many years," the researchers at the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics wrote in the report.

US Ranks Behind 25 Other Countries in Infant Mortality


Back in 1990, shouts a new study published last week in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association, the United States ranked just 20th on life expectancy among the world’s 34 industrial nations. The United States now ranks 27th — despite spending much more on health care than any other nation.

Americans, notes an editorial the journal ran to accompany the study, are losing ground globally “by every” health measure.

Why such poor performance? Media reports on last week’s new State of U.S. Healthstudy hit all the usual suspects: poor diet, poor access to affordable health care, poor personal health habits, and just plain poverty.

Why Is Our Life Expectancy Shorter Than in Other Developed Countries?

There you go.

Yeah.....those countries don't use the same data for their infant mortality rate...

Infant Mortality: A Deceptive Statistic

Yet it’s not that simple. Infant and neonatal mortality rates are complex, multifactorial end-points that oversimplify heterogeneous inputs, many of which have no relation to health care at all.

Moreover, these statistics gleaned from the widely varied countries of the world are plagued by inconsistencies, problematic definitions, and gross inaccuracies, all of which disadvantage the ranking of the U.S., where accuracy is paramount.

Even though Oestergaard’s WHO report lists several “challenges and limitations” in comparing neonatal mortality rates, sensationalized headlines continue to rage about the supposedly poor showing of the United States.

The following are a few of the difficulties:

Underreporting and unreliability of infant-mortality data from other countries undermine any comparisons with the United States.

In a 2008 study, Joy Lawn estimated that a full three-fourths of the world’s neonatal deaths are counted only through highly unreliable five-yearly retrospective household surveys, instead of being reported at the time by hospitals and health-care professionals, as in the United States.

Moreover, the most premature babies — those with the highest likelihood of dying — are the least likely to be recorded in infant and neonatal mortality statistics in other countries.

Compounding that difficulty, in other countries the underreporting is greatest for deaths that occur very soon after birth. Since the earliest deaths make up 75 percent of all neonatal deaths, underreporting by other countries — often misclassifying what were really live births as fetal demise (stillbirths) — would falsely exclude most neonatal deaths.

Any assumption that the practice of underreporting is confined to less-developed nations is incorrect. In fact, a number of published peer-reviewed studies show that underreporting of early neonatal deaths has varied between 10 percent and 30 percent in highly developed Western European and Asian countries.

Gross differences in the fundamental definition of “live birth” invalidate comparisons of early neonatal death rates.

The United States strictly adheres to the WHO definition of live birth (any infant “irrespective of the duration of the pregnancy, which . . . breathes or shows any other evidence of life . . . whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached”) and uses a strictly implemented linked birth and infant-death data set.

On the contrary, many other nations, including highly developed countries in Western Europe, use far less strict definitions, all of which underreport the live births of more fragile infants who soon die.

As a consequence, they falsely report more favorable neonatal- and infant-mortality rates.

A 2006 report from WHO stated that “among developed countries, mortality rates may reflect differences in the definitions used for reporting births, such as cut-offs for registering live births and birth weight.”

The Bulletin of WHO noted that “it has also been common practice in several countries (e.g. Belgium, France, Spain) to register as live births only those infants who survived for a specified period beyond birth”; those who did not survive were “completely ignored for registration purposes.”

Since the U.S. counts as live births all babies who show “any evidence of life,” even the most premature and the smallest — the very babies who account for the majority of neonatal deaths —

Read more at: Infant Mortality: A Deceptive Statistic

 

[Old Rocks]

But we have moved up. Under President Obama, we moved up to #35. However, I am sure that President Pussy Grabber can change that. Provided he's not too busy seducing a friends wife. LOL

It always amuses me when you people break out the number 37 line. That has been debunked so many times in the past 18 years since that report came out.

I guess you are correct. The CIA World Fact Book rating read like this;



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Healthcare and the CIA World Factbook
11 August 2009 · by Fr. Ernesto 47 Comments

An objection was made to my quoting the World Health Organization regarding our healthcare system and whether it is the best in the world. Those of you who read the post yesterday will have seen that the WHO ranks our healthcare system as only 37th in the world. The objection was made that the WHO supposedly has a bias towards a more socialist style of healthcare distribution. So, today I am going to quote a very USA source, the CIA World Factbook. If you wish to read parts of it, it is available online at the website of the USA Central Intelligence Agency. So, what statistics does the CIA publish regarding our country?

First fact, our death rate per 1,000 people. Out of 223 countries and territories listed, we rank in position 102. That is, there are 101 countries and territories that have a worse death rate than us. And, there are 121 countries and territories that have a lower death rate than us, per 1,000 inhabitants. Our infant mortality rate puts us as 180 out of 223 countries and territories. That is, there are 179 countries and territories that have a worse infant mortality rate than us and 43 countries and territories that have a better infant mortality rate than us. Our life expectancy at birth ranks us 50th in the world. That is there are 49 countries that have a higher life expectancy than us and 173 countries that have a worse life expectancy at birth than us.

By the way, Canada, France, England, Germany, Greece, Finland, etc. are ahead of us in those categories.
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