Nathan Bedford Forrest statue causing controversy

[GuyPinestra]

The historical facts remain the same: CSA soldiers under Forrest's command murdered black Union soldiers who were trying to surrender. It was a mass murder. No amount of crying, sighing, denying, or bripat lying changes that.

The problem with your statement is that it is directly refuted by Union testimony in the OR.

Look it up, if you dare, it was posted in this thread.

 

[GuyPinestra]

All their research has done, Emily, has reduced the murdering from more than 300 to 228-231, with significant blacks and whites? This is impressive?

Then they excuse it by accusing a Union POW camp of killing southern prisoners.

Really? This is 10th-grade level work by the clowns.

Confederate soldiers murdered Union troops who tried to surrender. War crimes, kids, for which we executed Germans, Italians, and Japanese.

Your pathology amazes me.

Repeating the lie in the vain hope that you can keep it alive is Sisyphusian.

Again, direct testimony from a Union officer is in the Official Record, and it refutes your entire premise. You should really go read it, Fakey...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Read all the testimony, read the accounts, throw out the prison camp, and it is clear a war crime occurred after the surrender at Fort Pillow.

Nothing you guys write can every change that.

 

[bripat9643]

The historical facts remain the same: CSA soldiers under Forrest's command murdered black Union soldiers who were trying to surrender. It was a mass murder. No amount of crying, sighing, denying, or bripat lying changes that.

You know one way we know that is not a fact, Fakey? Because you posted it.

 

[bripat9643]

Read all the testimony, read the accounts, throw out the prison camp, and it is clear a war crime occurred after the surrender at Fort Pillow.

Nothing you guys write can every change that.

Nothing that occurs in any battle is ever clear, Fakey.

You don't know the slightest thing about war.

 

[bripat9643]

The historical facts remain the same: CSA soldiers under Forrest's command murdered black Union soldiers who were trying to surrender. It was a mass murder. No amount of crying, sighing, denying, or bripat lying changes that.

The problem with your statement is that it is directly refuted by Union testimony in the OR.

Look it up, if you dare, it was posted in this thread.

Fakey doesn't care about the facts. He's only interested in promoting his biases and prejudices.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The historical facts remain the same: CSA soldiers under Forrest's command murdered black Union soldiers who were trying to surrender. It was a mass murder. No amount of crying, sighing, denying, or bripat lying changes that.

The problem with your statement is that it is directly refuted by Union testimony in the OR.

Look it up, if you dare, it was posted in this thread.

Fakey doesn't care about the facts. He's only interested in promoting his biases and prejudices.

The testimony of the Union officer has been quoted in this thread. It comes from the official record of the (un)Civil War. It can be found in the Library of Congress and is considered one of the most reliable references on the subject.

Fakey posts uneducated OPINION not supported by facts in evidence.

 

[SuMar]

Monument to Nathan Bedford Forrest stirs dispute - WSFA.com: News Weather and Sports for Montgomery, AL.

Someone needs to tell that carpetbagging son of a bitch to go back up north. Oh and they should also give him a few sources showing what Sherman did on his march to the sea in my beloved south..man there ain't nothing worse than a southerner who hates the south and her heritage.

Let's rush to the defense of the bigots!

Like the folks used to run in defense of Louis Farrakhan..

 

[JakeStarkey]

The arguments of slanted revisionism here only illumines the need for solid, objective research that looks that all of the evidence.

And that research reveals that the CSA committed a war crime of mass murder at Fort Pillow.

End of subject. If these guys tried this in a college class, they might get a D for creativity and attempt.

 

[squeeze berry]

university level research requires sources not double standards and opinions

 

[JoeB131]

So is Cannibalism, but most sane people know you shouldn't do that sort of thing.

No, cannibalism offers no survival advantage, quite the opposite.

Racism ensures that the genes of ones own tribe or clan are continued to the next generation.

It's a primitive construct that modern civilization recognizes as unneeded, but back in hunter-gatherer cultures, it was vital to survival.

Not really. When a tribe had to resort to Cannibalism, they usually ate the most useless member of the tribe...

It had an absolutely Darwinian effect of weeding out the weak.

As opposed to racism, which actually kind of leads to inbreeding. Groups that only marry within their own set little group tend to be backwards. Such as the Pygmies, who never marry outside their group and have stunted growth.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The arguments of slanted revisionism here only illumines the need for solid, objective research that looks that all of the evidence.

And that research reveals that the CSA committed a war crime of mass murder at Fort Pillow.

End of subject. If these guys tried this in a college class, they might get a D for creativity and attempt.

You provide no cite or source for your assertion, therefore you are dismissed.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I pulled your assertions and slanted evidence apart internally.

Guy, did more than 200 Union soldiers die in mass murder at Fort Pillow? Yes or no?

The arguments of slanted revisionism here only illumines the need for solid, objective research that looks that all of the evidence.

And that research reveals that the CSA committed a war crime of mass murder at Fort Pillow.

End of subject. If these guys tried this in a college class, they might get a D for creativity and attempt.

You provide no cite or source for your assertion, therefore you are dismissed.

 

[GuyPinestra]

I pulled your assertions and slanted evidence apart internally.

Guy, did more than 200 Union soldiers die in mass murder at Fort Pillow? Yes or no?

The arguments of slanted revisionism here only illumines the need for solid, objective research that looks that all of the evidence.

And that research reveals that the CSA committed a war crime of mass murder at Fort Pillow.

End of subject. If these guys tried this in a college class, they might get a D for creativity and attempt.

You provide no cite or source for your assertion, therefore you are dismissed.

According to the testimony of a white Union officer, no.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Guy, did more than 200 Union soldiers die in mass murder at Fort Pillow? Yes or no?

According to all of the rest of the testimony, it did.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Guy, did more than 200 Union soldiers die in mass murder at Fort Pillow? Yes or no?

According to all of the rest of the testimony, it did.

Would you care to cite some of this 'testimony', or do I have to take your word for it?

 

[JakeStarkey]

It has been asserted above. Look for it. But I will help you with http://www.nps.gov/hps/abpp/battles/tn030.htm

 

[GuyPinestra]

It has been asserted above. Look for it. But I will help you with Battle Summary: Fort Pillow, TN

Here is your link, Fakey...

Description: In April 1864, the Union garrison at Fort Pillow, a Confederate-built earthen fortification and a Union-built inner redoubt, overlooking the Mississippi River about forty river miles above Memphis, comprised 295 white Tennessee troops and 262 U.S. Colored Troops, all under the command of Maj. Lionel F. Booth. Confederate Maj. Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest attacked the fort on April 12 with a cavalry division of approximately 2,500 men. Forrest seized the older outworks, with high knolls commanding the Union position, to surround Booth’s force. Rugged terrain prevented the gunboat New Era from providing effective fire support for the Federals. The garrison was unable to depress its artillery enough to cover the approaches to the fort Rebel sharpshooters, on the surrounding knolls, began firing into the fort killing Booth. Maj. William F. Bradford then took over command of the garrison. The Confederates launched a determined attack at 11:00 am, occupying more strategic locations around the fort, and Forrest demanded unconditional surrender. Bradford asked for an hour for consultation, and Forrest granted twenty minutes. Bradford refused surrender and the Confederates renewed the attack, soon overran the fort, and drove the Federals down the river’s bluff into a deadly crossfire. Casualties were high and only sixty-two of the U.S. Colored Troops survived the fight. Many accused the Confederates of perpetrating a massacre of the black troops, and that controversy continues today. The Confederates evacuated Fort Pillow that evening so they gained little from the attack except a temporary disruption of Union operations. The “Fort Pillow Massacre” became a Union rallying cry and cemented resolve to see the war through to its conclusion.

You see Fakey, when an outnumbered and over-matched force REFUSES TO SURRENDER, casualties will be VERY high.

'The controversy continues' because idiots like you refuse to believe the testimony of the Union officers involved.

'The Ft. Pillow Massacre' was PROPAGANDA, Fakey...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not really. When a tribe had to resort to Cannibalism, they usually ate the most useless member of the tribe...

No stupid, they did not. Most cannibalism was practiced as a means of domination. The Kickapoo and Sioux both practiced cannibalism on each other, believing they would consume the soul of their enemy as they ate the flesh, the tribes of New Guinea STILL practice it, consuming conquered enemies.

Papua New Guinea Alleged Cannibals Charged

It had an absolutely Darwinian effect of weeding out the weak.

Holy fuck but you're stupid, even for a communist.

No sparky, natural selection is not based on you cutting up your gay lovers and putting them in the freezer for a late night snack.

As opposed to racism, which actually kind of leads to inbreeding. Groups that only marry within their own set little group tend to be backwards. Such as the Pygmies, who never marry outside their group and have stunted growth.

And Classical Greeks, Meades, Romans, what failures they were...

I think I know why you're a communist, Joeb. When Pol Pot started murdering the educated and intellectuals, it was you and those like you who were safe. No wonder you want to recreate the Khmer Rouge in the USA....

 

[Uncensored2008]

You provide no cite or source for your assertion, therefore you are dismissed.

Jakematters needs only his bigotry and prejudice as his source. Leftism means never having to deal with fact.