Muslim protestors demand London shops stop selling alcohol and threaten owners

[protectionist]

I've heard many are coming over the southern border, but not much has been said about it lately.

1. I spend a lot of time in Europe. Muslims are not taking over.
2. Look up the statistics. Muslims are a small minority in every European country: less than 5 or 10%
3. It is not true they don't assimilate; a small portion, like this group that is protesting, may not because the are extremists, but most do.
4. London has a population of 15 million people. How many are in this group of protesters? Less than 50?
5. They are prostesting that Muslim owned shops sell alcohol. They are not asking for other shops, restaurants, cafes, etc. to stop selling alcohol.

We also have Muslims within the U.S., however they don't go around blocking entire neighborhoods with their prayers. They also don't threaten fellow Muslims who drink alcohol or smoke for that matter. The difference is assimilation. The U.S. Muslims are assimilated for the most part, whereas in London for some reason they are not. That is the fault of the government. They should adopt a melting pot approach, so newcomers understand that they need to assimilate into the mainstream culture.

There is also a great deal of unpublicized Islamization in the US by not just unassimilated Muslims, but by downright jihadists as well. Way too many to list. Here's some reading for everyone - to bring up to speed. Highly recommended.


1. They Must Be Stopped by Brigitte Gabriel

2. The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) by Robert Spencer

3. Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer

4. Infiltration by Paul Sperry

5. The Day of Islam by Dr. Paul Williams

6. Sharia: the Threat to America by the Center for Security Policy

7. The Third Jihad (DVD) by Dr. Zuddhi Jasser

8. Muslim Mafia by P.David Gaubatz & Paul Sperry

 

[protectionist]

Anjem Choudary represents about 30 people and a small cat with a limp, I believe it's called, Fluffy.

The funny thing is that he has the Islamophobes on the board pissing in their pants with fear. ....

There is no such thing as an "Islamaphobe", or Islamaphobia. A "phobia" is an irrational fear based on nothing. But fear of jihad (violent or non-violent) is perfectly rational, as established by 20,000 violent, Muslim, jihadist attacks since 9/11, and thousands of instances of Islamization in schools, universities, workplaces, various branches of the government, airports, private homes, and the public streets.

Also, to use a FALSE word like "Islamaphobia" is offensive to those of us who suffer from a wide range of REAL phobias (I have agoraphobia). Mental illness is not a joke, or something to be handled trivially, like it is being done.

 

[protectionist]

I wonder how far the protesters will take this?

Until they get their heads bashed in . Here in Florida, and other US southern states, they would run the risk of being shot, or even lynched.

 

[protectionist]

just shows you the mosques are overflowing

Okay. More Muslims =/= more sharia.

The [Muslim Arbitration Tribunal/"sharia courts"] operates under Section 1 of the Arbitration Act which states that: “the parties should be free to agree how their disputes are resolved, subject only to such safeguards as are necessary in the public interest”. As such it operates within the framework of English law and does not constitute a separate Islamic legal system. Under the Act they are deemed to be "arbitration tribunals".

also, they have no jurisdiction in criminal cases and can't divorce couples

they have to follow all the same laws as the rest of the British, it's just a dispute resolving system

Exactly - it does not over-rule British Law. I am not sure about Britain, but in the US similar courts are in effect for other religious groups who desire civil affairs or arbritation to be conducted according to their religious systems. It's not just Muslims.

There should be ONE LAW, and ONE LAW ONLY, for EVERYONE. Observe THAT law, or get the hell out.

 

[Toro]

I wonder how far the protesters will take this?

Until they get their heads bashed in . Here in Florida, and other US southern states, they would run the risk of being shot, or even lynched.

Ah, yes.

There's that old backwardness of intolerance the South was known for for many decades.

Good to see it hasn't died out completely.



edit: and not even a hint of irony in the next post.

There should be ONE LAW, and ONE LAW ONLY, for EVERYONE. Observe THAT law, or get the hell out.

Outstanding.

 

[Indofred]

Anjem Choudary represents about 30 people and a small cat with a limp, I believe it's called, Fluffy.

The funny thing is that he has the Islamophobes on the board pissing in their pants with fear. ....

There is no such thing as an "Islamaphobe", or Islamaphobia. A "phobia" is an irrational fear based on nothing. But fear of jihad (violent or non-violent) is perfectly rational, as established by 20,000 violent, Muslim, jihadist attacks since 9/11, and thousands of instances of Islamization in schools, universities, workplaces, various branches of the government, airports, private homes, and the public streets.

Also, to use a FALSE word like "Islamaphobia" is offensive to those of us who suffer from a wide range of REAL phobias (I have agoraphobia). Mental illness is not a joke, or something to be handled trivially, like it is being done.

20,000 attacks?
Wow, that's so many Americans killed in America or British people in Britain.
Of course, you may be lumping attacks on invading American (or other country's) forces in places you've invaded.

 

[Katzndogz]

just shows you the mosques are overflowing

Okay. More Muslims =/= more sharia.

The [Muslim Arbitration Tribunal/"sharia courts"] operates under Section 1 of the Arbitration Act which states that: “the parties should be free to agree how their disputes are resolved, subject only to such safeguards as are necessary in the public interest”. As such it operates within the framework of English law and does not constitute a separate Islamic legal system. Under the Act they are deemed to be "arbitration tribunals".

also, they have no jurisdiction in criminal cases and can't divorce couples

they have to follow all the same laws as the rest of the British, it's just a dispute resolving system

Exactly - it does not over-rule British Law. I am not sure about Britain, but in the US similar courts are in effect for other religious groups who desire civil affairs or arbritation to be conducted according to their religious systems. It's not just Muslims.

In the US we don't just have similar courts, we have sharia courts. Every state has at least one sharia court. The sharia Supreme Court is in Texas. They resolve contractual disputes, divorce petitioners under islamic law and resolve child custody disputes. The sharia court operates the same way as the Biet Din courts do for Jewish people, as courts of arbitration. A state or federal court is not bound by a decision from such arbitrators.

What muslims are trying to do is get civil and criminal courts to apply sharia law, and enforce sharia law.

 

[Swagger]

Europe is slowly being engulfed by Muslim immigrants.....it's just a matter of time as the demographics take over....

Muslims do not assimilate......they take over......Islam is much more than just a 'religion'....which is why we'd be smart to severely limit muslim immigration here...

Islaam appears comparable to some hideous, lethal cancer.

No, that's Zionism. Either way, I'm very encouraged by the outright display of racial solidarity on this thread. Now, if only we'd come together as a group to confront the Jewish Question (and their shabbos goy lackeys). Could be on the road to recovery if all went to plan.

 

[Coyote]

I've heard many are coming over the southern border, but not much has been said about it lately.

1. I spend a lot of time in Europe. Muslims are not taking over.
2. Look up the statistics. Muslims are a small minority in every European country: less than 5 or 10%
3. It is not true they don't assimilate; a small portion, like this group that is protesting, may not because the are extremists, but most do.
4. London has a population of 15 million people. How many are in this group of protesters? Less than 50?
5. They are prostesting that Muslim owned shops sell alcohol. They are not asking for other shops, restaurants, cafes, etc. to stop selling alcohol.

We also have Muslims within the U.S., however they don't go around blocking entire neighborhoods with their prayers. They also don't threaten fellow Muslims who drink alcohol or smoke for that matter. The difference is assimilation. The U.S. Muslims are assimilated for the most part, whereas in London for some reason they are not. That is the fault of the government. They should adopt a melting pot approach, so newcomers understand that they need to assimilate into the mainstream culture.

Perhaps we should look at facts over fear. First of all, they (as a group) are not threatening fellow Muslims. What you have here is a tiny group, about as representative of their religion as groups like the Westboro Baptists - threatening their fellows. As another poster pointed out, it's like 50 people out of a city of 1.5 million.

Secondly, Muslims in the UK appear to be well assimilated according to this study: http://media.gallup.com/muslimwestfacts/PDF/londonbrieffull041307.pdf

False Dichotomy

New Gallup study challenges the idea that London Muslims must choose between Islam and Britain A new Gallup study comparing attitudes of Muslim residents of London with those of the British public overall provides a new perspective on the growing debate over multiculturalism vs. assimilation in the UK. Contrary to the typical zero-sum framing of the issue, the study indicates that, particularly for London’s Muslims, strong identification with one’s religion and one’s nationality are not mutually exclusive. While most members of that group (69%) strongly identified with their faith, a majority (57%) also strongly identified with their country.

Nor should London Muslims’ comparatively strong identification with their religion be taken as a sign of possible radicalization. London Muslims were as likely as the British public overall to condemn terrorist attacks on civilians and were slightly more likely than the general public (81% vs. 72%) to unequivocally find no moral justification for using
violence for a “noble cause.”

Also defying conventional wisdom, a high level of religiosity among London’s Muslims did not translate into a desire to segregate themselves. London Muslims were actually
less likely than the general public to say they would prefer to live in a neighborhood made up mostly of people who share their religious or ethnic background (25% vs. 35%). What’s
more, they were slightly less likely to say they would not want a Christian as a neighbor (8%) than the British public overall was to say the same about a Muslim neighbor (15%).
Significantly, London Muslims were 10 times as likely to express positive views as negative views of Christians, while the public is roughly as likely to express positive as negative views of Muslims

 

[Coyote]

Okay. More Muslims =/= more sharia.





also, they have no jurisdiction in criminal cases and can't divorce couples

they have to follow all the same laws as the rest of the British, it's just a dispute resolving system

Exactly - it does not over-rule British Law. I am not sure about Britain, but in the US similar courts are in effect for other religious groups who desire civil affairs or arbritation to be conducted according to their religious systems. It's not just Muslims.

In the US we don't just have similar courts, we have sharia courts. Every state has at least one sharia court. The sharia Supreme Court is in Texas. They resolve contractual disputes, divorce petitioners under islamic law and resolve child custody disputes. The sharia court operates the same way as the Biet Din courts do for Jewish people, as courts of arbitration. A state or federal court is not bound by a decision from such arbitrators.

What muslims are trying to do is get civil and criminal courts to apply sharia law, and enforce sharia law.

It is similar courts - whether you call it sharia or Biet Din - it's the same. In no case does over-ride state or federal law and it's entirely voluntary on the part of the participants. There is no evidence that Muslims are trying to get civil or criminal courts to apply sharia law in the US unless you are looking at a handful of nut jobs equivalent to the Westboro Baptists.

Most Americans don't have a clue what Sharia really is - they only see the extreme examples in highly conservative societies like Saudi Arabia. This article gives a pretty decent and succinct description of what Sharia is:

Many Americans think of Shariah as an Islamic legal system characterized by misogyny, intolerance, and harsh punishments. Some anti-Islamic activists warn that Muslims are trying to sneak Shariah into the American legal system in ways that do not reflect U.S. legal principles or beliefs.

Many Muslim Americans counter that Shariah is essential to belief, and that any harsh punishments or unconstitutional aspects associated with Islamic law have either been exaggerated, abrogated or are superseded by American law.

Muslims around the world have varying views about what Shariah entails, and its role in personal and public life. So what exactly is Shariah? Here are five facts that might help make sense of this complex and often misunderstood term.


Complete article here: Sharia Law In The USA 101: A Guide To What It Is And Why States Want To Ban It

 

[Pennywise]

The only way "multiculturalism" works is if you have either A) One dominant culture, or B) A loose collective of people with no real concern for anything but getting along, of which such places are few and far between.

Much of Europe is currently in Civil Culture War, with competing dominant culture types. What many Western countries do not seem to understand is that giving in to nonsense such as this has a two-fold effect and can only end in bloodshed. Giving in will both empower the aggressive minority, and anger the natives. Here in the US we are only in the beginning stages of backlash, but it's going to get ugly. You can't demand that a populace simply say bye bye to all the culture that they have always known, or to have it distilled in into a pot of shit stew so you don't piss someone off by saying "Merry Christmas", to use but one small example.

There is always going to be a dominant culture. It's pathetic that Europe seems more than happy give that position to Muslim invaders without a single shot having been fired. It boggles the mind.

 

[bianco]

Europe is slowly being engulfed by Muslim immigrants.....it's just a matter of time as the demographics take over....

Muslims do not assimilate......they take over......Islam is much more than just a 'religion'....which is why we'd be smart to severely limit muslim immigration here...

Seems to be.

 

[RoadVirus]

I wonder how far the protesters will take this?

I think the better question is "How far will Native Brits let it go on". If and when the other shoe finally drops, it'll get ugly.

 

[RoadVirus]

I like the part where the Muslims go to jail for attempting to enforce sharia.

Obviously it means we will be overtaken by the Muslims!

you laugh but they're already taking over the streets of London and Paris....

Where's an armed UAV when you need one?