Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

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    Civil War still divides Americans

    So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

    Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


    This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


    Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery
     
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    Well, let's be precise, when you say "Civil War" are you referring to the war itself or to southern secession? The two are linked, obviously, but they each have different causes.
     
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    Oh you mean the democrat war to kill their fellow countrymen rather than give up their slaves, right?
     
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    What was the difference?
     
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    The civil war was about "keeping the Nation together" and exercising executive power that didnt exist.
    Secession was about slavery.
    Lincoln didnt give a shit about the slaves, he just didnt want it to SPREAD. He wanted to keep it where it was.
     
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    Well the first wave of secession was obviously primarily related to fears about slavery, but the second wave after Fort Sumter was due to Lincoln's policies in response to Fort Sumter. Then the Civil War itself was based on Lincoln's desire to force the southern states to remain in the Union, and as he himself favored an amendment explicitly enshrining slavery as a constitutional right it would be incorrect to say that the Civil War was fought over slavery.
     
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    Yea, the only thing an intelligent person has to do is read the fucking letters the southern states (confederacy) wrote explaining why they were seceding. Then read the speeches from the president and vice president of the confederacy to know why they were going to war.
     
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    The Civil War was fought over several issues, slavery being one but not the main one. More over state's rights.

    A very small percentage of Southerners owned slaves.
     
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    Well if you read Davis's inaugural address he states, "our true policy is peace, and the freest trade which our necessities will permit." So it's not quite that simple.

    Jefferson Davis' First Inaugural Address | The Papers of Jefferson Davis | Rice University
     
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    Yea, like 6% lol
     
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