More Than A Word

[PoliticalChic]

1. The 'Sophistry Party' has been exposed for the lying low-lives that they are.

soph·ist·ry
/ˈsäfəstrē/
noun

1. the use of fallacious arguments, especially with the intention of deceiving.
   • a fallacious argument. Google.

Sophistry is one word, but not the most important one.
This is: Illegal

Important because, with the aim of keeping Democrats in office, that party is willing to offer up the lives of innocent Americans, and this news from yesterday shows what they are ready to sacrifice.



2. An illegal immigrant was captured yesterday for the murder of a legal immigrant.

The stories show the world of difference between two words.




3. "Suspected cop-killer captured in California, officials blame sanctuary law
An illegal immigrant from Mexico, wanted for killing a California cop earlier this week,
...a known gang member who had been living in the US illegally ...

...we can’t ignore the fact that this could’ve been preventable,” Christianson said, noting how Arriaga had several run-ins with police — which couldn’t be reported to ICE on account of California’s sanctuary law.

“Under SB54 in [Democrat] California, ...law enforcement would’ve been prevented — prohibited — from sharing any information with ICE about this criminal gang member,” the sheriff explained." https://nypost.com/2018/12/28/suspe...-in-california-officials-blame-sanctuary-law/




4. 'An American patriot': What we know about slain Northern California police officer Ronil Singh
California police officer whose killing ... left behind a wife and 5-month-old son.

Newman Police Cpl. Ronil Singh, 33, a native of Fiji who dedicated his life to law enforcement, was killed in the line of duty Wednesday.

"He will never see his son walk," said Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson, whose agency is leading the investigation. "He doesn't get to hold that little boy, hug his wife."
[Murdered due to Democrat policies and actions.]
'An American patriot': What we know about slain California police officer Ronil Singh






5. If there were no Democrat Party, legal alien, patriot, police officer, Ronil Singh would be alive today.

 

[BluesLegend]

More Americans killed by illegals, why do Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???

 

[Norman]

An illegal, a legal, and an American patriot?

Obviously the American patriot is what we need to get rid of in this country called America.

 

[SmokeALib]

More Americans killed by illegals, why do Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???

It's because 1. Dims are Socialists (Traitors),
And 2. Dims aren't too bright (they need a huge, unaccountable, and bankrupt govt to think and do for them),
And 3. Power (Dims will allow the murder and destruction of U.S. citizens for votes).

 

[beagle9]

More Americans killed by illegals, why do Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???

Are you surprised ?? They hate conservatism and Trump so bad, that they took the side of MS-13.... That should have explained it all about their deplorabalism, but it just keeps on rolling on.

 

[PoliticalChic]

More Americans killed by illegals, why do Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???

....the Left hates this nation….it stands for the obliteration of America, the nation and the concept.

Antifa 'No Trump, No Wall, No USA at all '






They hate America and Americans.

The only thing they care about is their god, big, unhindered, unlimited, government.

 

[theHawk]

You’re surprised that Social Justice Terrorists help enable thugs and murderers?

This is who they are people. If anything is good for America, they will oppose it. If anything helps destroy the fabric of our society, they will be for it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You’re surprised that Social Justice Terrorists help enable thugs and murderers?

This is who they are people. If anything is good for America, they will oppose it. If anything helps destroy the fabric of our society, they will be for it.

Where do you detect any surprise?

It's disgust.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

 

[FreeAndClear]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

 

[PoliticalChic]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

 

[FreeAndClear]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

What's your point???


I was clearly correct:


Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

 

[PoliticalChic]

What is the cost to America and Americans for Democrat votes by illegals?

Remember this?

a."It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!



“At 7.6 murders per 100,000, the California murder rate is 50% higher than the rest of America.”
Crime in California - Wikipedia




Wonder why?

"California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015"
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/


In October 2017, Mexico suffered its deadliest month since it started keeping such data in 1997, with 2,371 murder investigations. 2017 was Mexico's deadliest year on record, with 31,174 murders recorded, leading to a murder rate of 25 per 100,000 inhabitants in 2017, compared with 19.4 in 2011.

Crime in Mexico - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Mexico





c. Check out the Los Angeles Police Department's recent list of "Most Wanted:"

Monarrez, Jesse Enrique

Nistal, Cesar Augusto

Padilla, Jose A.

Reyes, Ramon

Vargas, Victor

Villa, Ruben

Alvarado-Monasterio, Julio Cesar

Araiza, Gustavo

Araujo, Fernando

Avila, Guillermo Lua
All Most Wanted - Los Angeles Police Department


Getting the drift???

 

[FreeAndClear]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

What's your point???


I was clearly correct:


Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I don't see these statistics on the site you listed. I sent you a different link with the statistics. It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime. I am just tyring to undertand your logic and the conclusion that you are drawing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that

You’ve seen the Liberal drones parrot this offal:


All immigrants are hard working and law abiding; they do jobs you wouldn't consider doing, and they do them cheerfully…and this is the last point, delivered with the confident satisfaction of someone shutting down debate with superior data…

…...undocumented immigrants actually commit fewer crimes on average than native born Americans!






Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

What's your point???


I was clearly correct:


Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I don't see these statistics on the site you listed. I sent you a different link with the statistics. It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime. I am just tyring to undertand your logic and the conclusion that you are drawing.

1. I provided the source. Read more carefully.

2. "It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime."

It appears that neither logic, nor mathematics is a forte of yours.

Illegals make up 60-80 million individuals in a nation three to four times that number. Your data amounts to either 20% or 25% of the population committing over 40% of the crimes......well over 50% of the crimes depending on their proportion of the population.

Re-think your numbers.

 

[FreeAndClear]

Non citizens. Wouldn’t that
I am sorry but can you point to where on that site you obtained those statistics. I clicked on murder and don’t seem to any statistics. Much appreciated.

Also just a side question does non citizens include legal immigrants? Thanks in advance

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

What's your point???


I was clearly correct:


Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I don't see these statistics on the site you listed. I sent you a different link with the statistics. It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime. I am just tyring to undertand your logic and the conclusion that you are drawing.

1. I provided the source. Read more carefully.

2. "It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime."

It appears that neither logic, nor mathematics is a forte of yours.

Illegals make up 60-80 million individuals in a nation three to four times that number. Your data amounts to either 20% or 25% of the population committing over 40% of the crimes......well over 50% of the crimes depending on their proportion of the population.

Re-think your numbers.

I checked the link it does not post the statistics that you are citing.

You believe that this country has 60-80 million illegals living in this country? Is that verifiable? Respectfully, where are these numbers coming from?

Let's say you are correct, why is the government entity The same one you cited earlier for your supposition states that it is actually 40% and not over 50%. if it is true there are 60-80 million illegals then why are they not counting them in their analysis? If their math is wrong, does that call all their math into question including the statistics you cited earlier?

 

[PoliticalChic]

UNITED STATES SENTENCI

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And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

What's your point???


I was clearly correct:


Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I don't see these statistics on the site you listed. I sent you a different link with the statistics. It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime. I am just tyring to undertand your logic and the conclusion that you are drawing.

1. I provided the source. Read more carefully.

2. "It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime."

It appears that neither logic, nor mathematics is a forte of yours.

Illegals make up 60-80 million individuals in a nation three to four times that number. Your data amounts to either 20% or 25% of the population committing over 40% of the crimes......well over 50% of the crimes depending on their proportion of the population.

Re-think your numbers.

I checked the link it does not post the statistics that you are citing.

You believe that this country has 60-80 million illegals living in this country? Is that verifiable? Respectfully, where are these numbers coming from?

Let's say you are correct, why is the government entity The same one you cited earlier for your supposition states that it is actually 40% and not over 50%. if it is true there are 60-80 million illegals then why are they not counting them in their analysis? If their math is wrong, does that call all their math into question including the statistics you cited earlier?

UNITED STATES SENTENCING COMMISSION

Topic



And that's just federal.



Wanna see the figures from California, or New York????


“Piecing together state and federal reports, it appears that half the correctional population in California consists of illegal aliens. According to a state report, there were fewer than two hundred thousand inmates in the entire California prison population, including mental hospitals, in 2009. That year, 102,795 illegal aliens were incarcerated in California, costing the state more than $1 billion a year.”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole


Non-citizens are more likely to be arrested, convicted and imprisoned for serious crimes than people who are born here; much more likely!



Yet that’s who the Democrats support.....over the Americans that they have a proven record of either putting out of work, or assaulting.

As long as they vote Democrat, that's all that matters to the party.

So here are the actual stats:

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/...ublications/quick-facts/Non-Citizens_FY17.pdf

Non-citizens make up 40% of total federal crimes of that 73 percent are non violent immigration crimes. They are still crimes but nevertheless. So now let's see those figures in New York

Now of course that may not matter. Because of course that's 40% crimes too many. I just think that stats are going to be used we need to view it through the prism of what the crimes actually are. I understand that one murder may be too many as well. I understand the argument. I may not agree with it but I undertstand it.

I am actually all for setting up a system wherein we let in more immigrants while at the same time enforcing the illegal immigration laws more stringently.

What's your point???


I was clearly correct:


Let’s check:



Latest statistics from the US Sentencing Commission [ Topic]

Non-Citizens Federal Crimes:

22% of Murders

18% of Fraud

33% of Money Laundering

29% of Drug Trafficking

72% of Drug Possession


Get it????
Non-Citizens are FAR more likely to commit crimes that Americans are.


And these are only federal statistics.

I don't see these statistics on the site you listed. I sent you a different link with the statistics. It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime. I am just tyring to undertand your logic and the conclusion that you are drawing.

1. I provided the source. Read more carefully.

2. "It says non-citizens constitute 40 percent that's less than 50 which means they are not far more likely to commit a crime."

It appears that neither logic, nor mathematics is a forte of yours.

Illegals make up 60-80 million individuals in a nation three to four times that number. Your data amounts to either 20% or 25% of the population committing over 40% of the crimes......well over 50% of the crimes depending on their proportion of the population.

Re-think your numbers.

I checked the link it does not post the statistics that you are citing.

You believe that this country has 60-80 million illegals living in this country? Is that verifiable? Respectfully, where are these numbers coming from?

Let's say you are correct, why is the government entity The same one you cited earlier for your supposition states that it is actually 40% and not over 50%. if it is true there are 60-80 million illegals then why are they not counting them in their analysis? If their math is wrong, does that call all their math into question including the statistics you cited earlier?

1. "The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population.

Conclusion: criminal and illegal aliens commit murder at much higher rates than all inhabitants of the U.S. – at least 3 to 10 times higher."

Illegal Aliens Murder at a Much Higher Rate Than US Citizens Do



2. There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.

 

[H B Lowrie]

More Americans killed by illegals, why do Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???

Bullshit.

 

[PoliticalChic]

More Americans killed by illegals, why do Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???

Bullshit.

Aside from the juvenile vulgarity.....are you actually disputing his claim that "Dem's take the side of illegals over protecting American citizens???"


Are you stupid?????

What do you suppose 'sanctuary cities' are???????


"Oregon judge is accused of helping illegal immigrant drunk driver ESCAPE from her courtroom while ICE agents waited outside to deport him to Mexico "
Judge accused of helping illegal immigrant escapes court | Daily Mail Online




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