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The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels. In addition, it is likely that some potential further greenhouse gas warming has been offset by increased aerosols.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]

Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.[6]

"Benefits and costs of climate change for [human] society will vary widely by location and scale.[7] Some of the effects in temperate and polar regions will be positive and others elsewhere will be negative.[7] Overall, net effects are more likely to be strongly negative with larger or more rapid warming."[7]
"[...] the range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time"[8]

"The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources)"[9]

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists,[10] which in 2007[11] updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[12] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions.

Surveys of scientists and scientific literature

Summary of opinions from climate and earth scientists regarding climate change.

Just over 97% of published climate researchers say humans are causing global warming.[107][108][109]

Various surveys have been conducted to evaluate scientific opinion on global warming. They have concluded that the majority of scientists support the idea of anthropogenic climate change.

In 2004, the geologist and historian of science Naomi Oreskes summarized a study of the scientific literature on climate change.[110] She analyzed 928 abstracts of papers from refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and concluded that there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change.

Oreskes divided the abstracts into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Seventy-five per cent of the abstracts were placed in the first three categories (either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view); 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, thus taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. None of the abstracts disagreed with the consensus position, which the author found to be "remarkable". According to the report, "authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point."

In 2007, Harris Interactive surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union for the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at George Mason University. 97% of the scientists surveyed agreed that global temperatures had increased during the past 100 years; 84% said they personally believed human-induced warming was occurring, and 74% agreed that "currently available scientific evidence" substantiated its occurrence. Catastrophic effects in 50–100 years would likely be observed according to 41%, while 44% thought the effects would be moderate and about 13 percent saw relatively little danger. 5% said they thought human activity did not contribute to greenhouse warming.[111][112][113][114]

Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch conducted a survey in August 2008 of 2058 climate scientists from 34 different countries.[115] A web link with a unique identifier was given to each respondent to eliminate multiple responses. A total of 373 responses were received giving an overall response rate of 18.2%. No paper on climate change consensus based on this survey has been published yet (February 2010), but one on another subject has been published based on the survey.[116]

The survey was composed of 76 questions split into a number of sections. There were sections on the demographics of the respondents, their assessment of the state of climate science, how good the science is, climate change impacts, adaptation and mitigation, their opinion of the IPCC, and how well climate science was being communicated to the public. Most of the answers were on a scale from 1 to 7 from 'not at all' to 'very much'.

To the question "How convinced are you that climate change, whether natural or anthropogenic, is occurring now?", 67.1% said they very much agreed, 26.7% agreed to some large extent, 6.2% said to they agreed to some small extent (2–4), none said they did not agree at all. To the question "How convinced are you that most of recent or near future climate change is, or will be, a result of anthropogenic causes?" the responses were 34.6% very much agree, 48.9% agreeing to a large extent, 15.1% to a small extent, and 1.35% not agreeing at all.

A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. 76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believed that mean global temperatures had risen compared to pre-1800s levels. Seventy-five of 77 believed that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. Economic geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in significant human involvement. The authors summarised the findings:
It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.[117]

A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:
(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[118]

A 2013 paper in Environmental Research Letters reviewed 11,944 abstracts of scientific papers, finding 4,014 which discussed the cause of recent global warming and reporting:

Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.[119]

Additionally, the authors of the studies were invited to categorise their own research papers, of which 1,381 discussed the cause of recent global warming, and:

Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus.
 
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Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels. In addition, it is likely that some potential further greenhouse gas warming has been offset by increased aerosols.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]

Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.[6]

"Benefits and costs of climate change for [human] society will vary widely by location and scale.[7] Some of the effects in temperate and polar regions will be positive and others elsewhere will be negative.[7] Overall, net effects are more likely to be strongly negative with larger or more rapid warming."[7]
"[...] the range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time"[8]

"The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources)"[9]

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists,[10] which in 2007[11] updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[12] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions.

Surveys of scientists and scientific literature

Summary of opinions from climate and earth scientists regarding climate change.

Just over 97% of published climate researchers say humans are causing global warming.[107][108][109]

Various surveys have been conducted to evaluate scientific opinion on global warming. They have concluded that the majority of scientists support the idea of anthropogenic climate change.

In 2004, the geologist and historian of science Naomi Oreskes summarized a study of the scientific literature on climate change.[110] She analyzed 928 abstracts of papers from refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and concluded that there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change.

Oreskes divided the abstracts into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Seventy-five per cent of the abstracts were placed in the first three categories (either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view); 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, thus taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. None of the abstracts disagreed with the consensus position, which the author found to be "remarkable". According to the report, "authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point."

In 2007, Harris Interactive surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union for the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at George Mason University. 97% of the scientists surveyed agreed that global temperatures had increased during the past 100 years; 84% said they personally believed human-induced warming was occurring, and 74% agreed that "currently available scientific evidence" substantiated its occurrence. Catastrophic effects in 50–100 years would likely be observed according to 41%, while 44% thought the effects would be moderate and about 13 percent saw relatively little danger. 5% said they thought human activity did not contribute to greenhouse warming.[111][112][113][114]

Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch conducted a survey in August 2008 of 2058 climate scientists from 34 different countries.[115] A web link with a unique identifier was given to each respondent to eliminate multiple responses. A total of 373 responses were received giving an overall response rate of 18.2%. No paper on climate change consensus based on this survey has been published yet (February 2010), but one on another subject has been published based on the survey.[116]

The survey was composed of 76 questions split into a number of sections. There were sections on the demographics of the respondents, their assessment of the state of climate science, how good the science is, climate change impacts, adaptation and mitigation, their opinion of the IPCC, and how well climate science was being communicated to the public. Most of the answers were on a scale from 1 to 7 from 'not at all' to 'very much'.

To the question "How convinced are you that climate change, whether natural or anthropogenic, is occurring now?", 67.1% said they very much agreed, 26.7% agreed to some large extent, 6.2% said to they agreed to some small extent (2–4), none said they did not agree at all. To the question "How convinced are you that most of recent or near future climate change is, or will be, a result of anthropogenic causes?" the responses were 34.6% very much agree, 48.9% agreeing to a large extent, 15.1% to a small extent, and 1.35% not agreeing at all.

A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. 76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believed that mean global temperatures had risen compared to pre-1800s levels. Seventy-five of 77 believed that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. Economic geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in significant human involvement. The authors summarised the findings:
It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.[117]

A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:
(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[118]

A 2013 paper in Environmental Research Letters reviewed 11,944 abstracts of scientific papers, finding 4,014 which discussed the cause of recent global warming and reporting:

Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.[119]

Additionally, the authors of the studies were invited to categorise their own research papers, of which 1,381 discussed the cause of recent global warming, and:

Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus.

Just over 97% of published climate researchers say humans are causing global warming.

97%? So that's how many out of how many?
 
The 97% figure shows up in multiple surveys, some of which involved thousands of samples. I think that's become common knowledge. So, pretending that the 77 out of 79 value (which is still statistically significant for those of your who don't seem to know jack about statistics) is the only source of that number just makes you look deceptive or ignorant.

Your choice, though.
 
The 97% figure shows up in multiple surveys, some of which involved thousands of samples. I think that's become common knowledge. So, pretending that the 77 out of 79 value (which is still statistically significant for those of your who don't seem to know jack about statistics) is the only source of that number just makes you look deceptive or ignorant.

Your choice, though.

The 97% figure shows up in multiple surveys, some of which involved thousands of samples.

Great. So how many out of how many?
 
Hmmmmm........

According to the AGW contingent, arctic birds food sources should be plentiful up north given the temperatures are warming at stopid rates!

But whats this:ack-1:

Arctic birds spotted in.........ready for this :lol:...........FLORIDA




JACKSONVILLE, Fla.: Snowy owl invasion of US extends to Florida - Environment - MiamiHerald.com




Ooooooooooops!!!

Remember what I posted here last week...that this "Manitoba mauler" will reach deep down south into the US..
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Well here it is, ...and now St.Louis looks just like Winnipeg:
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And all of the 5 great lakes are freezing. Which has not happened since 1979
It`ll be a problem to "average" this into oblivion, but I have no doubt that the AGW wing-nuts will try..at the USMB they are already at it .
 
Hmmmmm........

According to the AGW contingent, arctic birds food sources should be plentiful up north given the temperatures are warming at stopid rates!

But whats this:ack-1:

Arctic birds spotted in.........ready for this :lol:...........FLORIDA




JACKSONVILLE, Fla.: Snowy owl invasion of US extends to Florida - Environment - MiamiHerald.com




Ooooooooooops!!!

While the entire northern hemisphere is in a deep freeze yet again the nut cases found a few dots on the globe where it`s "too hot" and post it almost every day.
And all they got is only 1/3rd of Australia which amounts to only 2 564 000 km^2 against 255 050 000 km^2 where it`s like this:

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We could all get along much better were we to simply accept that The Great Global Warming Agenda is a religion. Just as one might tolerate a religion other than one's own, we owe it to them to not interfere with their beliefs. So long as they don't start sacrificing children or household pets to propitiate their god.

And I think we can be sure St. Algore woulndn't want THAT (unless it somehow paid his mansion's energy bills).
 
Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The scientific opinion on climate change is that the Earth's climate system is unequivocally warming, and it is extremely likely (at least 95% probability) that humans are causing most of it through activities that increase concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels. In addition, it is likely that some potential further greenhouse gas warming has been offset by increased aerosols.[1][2][3][4] This scientific consensus is expressed in synthesis reports, by scientific bodies of national or international standing, and by surveys of opinion among climate scientists. Individual scientists, universities, and laboratories contribute to the overall scientific opinion via their peer-reviewed publications, and the areas of collective agreement and relative certainty are summarised in these high level reports and surveys.

National and international science academies and scientific societies have assessed current scientific opinion on climate change. These assessments are generally consistent with the conclusions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), summarized below:

Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as evidenced by increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, the widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.[5]

Most of the global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activities.[6]

"Benefits and costs of climate change for [human] society will vary widely by location and scale.[7] Some of the effects in temperate and polar regions will be positive and others elsewhere will be negative.[7] Overall, net effects are more likely to be strongly negative with larger or more rapid warming."[7]
"[...] the range of published evidence indicates that the net damage costs of climate change are likely to be significant and to increase over time"[8]

"The resilience of many ecosystems is likely to be exceeded this century by an unprecedented combination of climate change, associated disturbances (e.g. flooding, drought, wildfire, insects, ocean acidification) and other global change drivers (e.g. land-use change, pollution, fragmentation of natural systems, over-exploitation of resources)"[9]

No scientific body of national or international standing maintains a formal opinion dissenting from any of these main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists,[10] which in 2007[11] updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on recent climate with its current non-committal position.[12] Some other organizations, primarily those focusing on geology, also hold non-committal positions.

Surveys of scientists and scientific literature

Summary of opinions from climate and earth scientists regarding climate change.

Just over 97% of published climate researchers say humans are causing global warming.[107][108][109]

Various surveys have been conducted to evaluate scientific opinion on global warming. They have concluded that the majority of scientists support the idea of anthropogenic climate change.

In 2004, the geologist and historian of science Naomi Oreskes summarized a study of the scientific literature on climate change.[110] She analyzed 928 abstracts of papers from refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and concluded that there is a scientific consensus on the reality of anthropogenic climate change.

Oreskes divided the abstracts into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Seventy-five per cent of the abstracts were placed in the first three categories (either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view); 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, thus taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. None of the abstracts disagreed with the consensus position, which the author found to be "remarkable". According to the report, "authors evaluating impacts, developing methods, or studying paleoclimatic change might believe that current climate change is natural. However, none of these papers argued that point."

In 2007, Harris Interactive surveyed 489 randomly selected members of either the American Meteorological Society or the American Geophysical Union for the Statistical Assessment Service (STATS) at George Mason University. 97% of the scientists surveyed agreed that global temperatures had increased during the past 100 years; 84% said they personally believed human-induced warming was occurring, and 74% agreed that "currently available scientific evidence" substantiated its occurrence. Catastrophic effects in 50–100 years would likely be observed according to 41%, while 44% thought the effects would be moderate and about 13 percent saw relatively little danger. 5% said they thought human activity did not contribute to greenhouse warming.[111][112][113][114]

Dennis Bray and Hans von Storch conducted a survey in August 2008 of 2058 climate scientists from 34 different countries.[115] A web link with a unique identifier was given to each respondent to eliminate multiple responses. A total of 373 responses were received giving an overall response rate of 18.2%. No paper on climate change consensus based on this survey has been published yet (February 2010), but one on another subject has been published based on the survey.[116]

The survey was composed of 76 questions split into a number of sections. There were sections on the demographics of the respondents, their assessment of the state of climate science, how good the science is, climate change impacts, adaptation and mitigation, their opinion of the IPCC, and how well climate science was being communicated to the public. Most of the answers were on a scale from 1 to 7 from 'not at all' to 'very much'.

To the question "How convinced are you that climate change, whether natural or anthropogenic, is occurring now?", 67.1% said they very much agreed, 26.7% agreed to some large extent, 6.2% said to they agreed to some small extent (2–4), none said they did not agree at all. To the question "How convinced are you that most of recent or near future climate change is, or will be, a result of anthropogenic causes?" the responses were 34.6% very much agree, 48.9% agreeing to a large extent, 15.1% to a small extent, and 1.35% not agreeing at all.

A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists. Results were analyzed globally and by specialization. 76 out of 79 climatologists who "listed climate science as their area of expertise and who also have published more than 50% of their recent peer-reviewed papers on the subject of climate change" believed that mean global temperatures had risen compared to pre-1800s levels. Seventy-five of 77 believed that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. Among all respondents, 90% agreed that temperatures have risen compared to pre-1800 levels, and 82% agreed that humans significantly influence the global temperature. Economic geologists and meteorologists were among the biggest doubters, with only 47 percent and 64 percent, respectively, believing in significant human involvement. The authors summarised the findings:
It seems that the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes.[117]

A 2010 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States (PNAS) reviewed publication and citation data for 1,372 climate researchers and drew the following two conclusions:
(i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and (ii) the relative climate expertise and scientific prominence of the researchers unconvinced of ACC are substantially below that of the convinced researchers.[118]

A 2013 paper in Environmental Research Letters reviewed 11,944 abstracts of scientific papers, finding 4,014 which discussed the cause of recent global warming and reporting:

Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming.[119]

Additionally, the authors of the studies were invited to categorise their own research papers, of which 1,381 discussed the cause of recent global warming, and:

Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus.

Only Abe could possibly believe that the ONLY IMPORTANT PART of the science in over 20,000 technical papers is whether the authors expressed an opinion on the topic..

Why don't ya go strip out all the claims about percentage of scientists "that believe" it's simply warming.. That's just useless waste of time. Then toss any opinions OLDER than ClimateGate ---- AND then ditch any studies that reference the tube of shit that Nuticielli and Cook did..

We'll see what's left...
 
Global cooling s0ns!!!

I was listening to Sports radio here in New York.......callers calling in to discuss the weekend NFL Wild Card games and making cracks about "global warming"!! People talking about the average US temperature today being 19 degrees and millions of people listening. Here I am listening to a sports show and laughing about this ENVIRONMENT forum.


And lets face it.......this has been epic in terms of a serious kick to the nut sacks of the committed AGW mental cases. How fucking stupid do they look today..........even the hardest core global warming people have to admit its a bit embarrassing!! My God.......here in New York it is going down to 5 degree's. Hasn't been this cold in decades........and to think......the global warming nutters said we'd not be seeing temperatures like this ( not to mention, a complete absence of snow ).


And then THIS today which is just one of dozens of links in this thread displaying the historical level of losing in the global warming community!!! This from Europe..........and on top of this bitter cold, made me laugh twice as hard.


Seems the EU is pulling the plug on wind subsidies in the UK!!! GONE.........totally phased out by the end of the decade.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/renewableenergy/10548157/Europe-wants-to-block-UK-wind-farm-subsidies.html


Yet the global warming k00ks will continue to come into this forum with bald faced lies about the march of wind and solar. But as this thread has displayed over and over and over, fossil fuels are bigger than ever in the EU since the failed green policies of the past 20 years where electricity costs have gone through the roof and jobs have disappeared!!!


 
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All these global warming people are cut from the same cloth........they are far, far left ideologically and are always ok with spending everyone else's money to see their utopia's achieved. These people never grew up........

Hey.......back in college in the late 70's, like everybody else, I was blown away with the writings of Hobbes, Plato, Sir Thomas Moore, Hegel. Stuff was profound.......and when I learned it, I sure as shit felt smarter than anybody else. Perfect societies.........how compelling? Until I started seeing the practical applications of these BS philosophies. Jonestown after Jonestown!! Or I could live in a place like Iceland where the streets are squeaky clean, the parts beautiful, cradle to grave on everything.......oh.......but don't plan on drinking an import beer and don't ever think you are actually leaving the island to go on vacation. You drink the shit beer every day or your wallet gets a hole blown in it and if you go on a vacation someplace, it requires a second mortgage ( nobody goes on vaca in Iceland ). And that's just to start........the perfect society........no opportunity to do what you want in life. Its prescribed.......fuck you.......government job for you.

This is the wet dream of the far left........no thanks. Thankfully in the US, its rejected.


Fuck them
 
Only Abe could possibly believe that the ONLY IMPORTANT PART of the science in over 20,000 technical papers is whether the authors expressed an opinion on the topic..

Why don't ya go strip out all the claims about percentage of scientists "that believe" it's simply warming.. That's just useless waste of time. Then toss any opinions OLDER than ClimateGate ---- AND then ditch any studies that reference the tube of shit that Nuticielli and Cook did..

We'll see what's left...

Only FCT could think this pathetic attempt at distraction would hide the fact that climate science OVERWHELMINGLY supports the IPCC position: Global warming is real, it is a real and serious threat and its primary cause has been human GHG emissions.

Dana Nucitelli and John Cook both have more education than either of us and they both work in the climate field. If anything around here qualifies as "a tube of shit" it's your comments immediately above.
 
Only Abe could possibly believe that the ONLY IMPORTANT PART of the science in over 20,000 technical papers is whether the authors expressed an opinion on the topic..

Why don't ya go strip out all the claims about percentage of scientists "that believe" it's simply warming.. That's just useless waste of time. Then toss any opinions OLDER than ClimateGate ---- AND then ditch any studies that reference the tube of shit that Nuticielli and Cook did..

We'll see what's left...

Only FCT could think this pathetic attempt at distraction would hide the fact that climate science OVERWHELMINGLY supports the IPCC position: Global warming is real, it is a real and serious threat and its primary cause has been human GHG emissions.

Dana Nucitelli and John Cook both have more education than either of us and they both work in the climate field. If anything around here qualifies as "a tube of shit" it's your comments immediately above.

Not surprised that youre worshipping these two dingbats as your heroes.Also not surprised that these underacheivers bury you in academic prowess.. But truly, my career and credentials look a lot better and I dont have to brag to say that.. Neither has a background in climate science. Nor did they need one to produce the tube of shit study you rely on. Their politically motivated, highly misleading poll is an undergrad poster project in statistics with a failing grade.. As the creator of skepticalscience, Cook has virtually NO experience in his field and dubious claims to graduate level work at all.. Although he has a post doc position for the past 15 yrs, there is no PhD or Masters to be verified. He spent 6 or 7 yrs prior to sKs working on a comic strip, and Univ Queensland declares his interests as psychology and human behaviour. Nutticelli is not much more accomplished.

so the question is ----- How nuts are you to intimidate folks with their creds when they are best known for the tube of shit study, no accomplishments in their academic fields and founding a propaganda web blog?



Media Fail: John Cook?s Atom Bombs | NoFrakkingConsensus
 
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Where do you get the phrase "tube of shit"? I've been working with sailors from multiple countries for many years yet I've never heard the term.

Your attacks on Cook and Nuccitelli, rather than their work, shows a failing on your part. Both parts of their survey are perfectly valid.

The vast majority of climate scientists accept the IPCC position. That is, the vast majority of climate scientists would seem to be quite certain that, when you talk about the climate, you really don't know what you're talking about. Given that, I can't help wondering whether you have as much schooling as you claim. I would think that there's a pretty strong correlation between education and agreement with mainstream science. I bet you're going to tell me how the really smart people challenge science with new discoveries and all that. To that I would say that they only do that where science is wrong. And regarding global warming, science ain't wrong.
 
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The 97% figure shows up in multiple surveys, some of which involved thousands of samples. I think that's become common knowledge. So, pretending that the 77 out of 79 value (which is still statistically significant for those of your who don't seem to know jack about statistics) is the only source of that number just makes you look deceptive or ignorant.

Your choice, though.

You never said, how many out of how many? LOL!
 
Where do you get the phrase "tube of shit"? I've been working with sailors from multiple countries for many years yet I've never heard the term.

Your attacks on Cook and Nuccitelli, rather than their work, shows a failing on your part. Both parts of their survey are perfectly valid.

The vast majority of climate scientists accept the IPCC position. That is, the vast majority of climate scientists would seem to be quite certain that, when you talk about the climate, you really don't know what you're talking about. Given that, I can't help wondering whether you have as much schooling as you claim. I would think that there's a pretty strong correlation between education and agreement with mainstream science. I bet you're going to tell me how the really smart people challenge science with new discoveries and all that. To that I would say that they only do that where science is wrong. And regarding global warming, science ain't wrong.

You mean those 2 slackers have done work?? As soon as I find it --- ill be sure to attack that too.....:lol:

""""pretty good correlation between education and agreement with mainstream science??????

Where do you get all these whacked notions?? Cant just blame this on NPR...
 
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