Mixed feelings about Jones' win......

[IM2]

Did anybody notice Franken is still in office? When are democrats going to demand that this pervert resigns?

He's already resigned.

 

[easyt65]

Did anybody notice Franken is still in office? When are democrats going to demand that this pervert resigns?

So is Conyers. Instead of being Perp Walked or booted from the Halls of Congress in record time with all their belongings like the employee Bill Murray fired in the Christmas movie 'Scrooged', they are allowed to take their time, leave on their own terms, and with a retirement.

 

[IM2]

1) This is how you go from 3% government spending to 40%... by dedicating your life to losing. 2) The conservatives have systematically failed at conserving anything of value.

1. 1,000+ elections lost; lost the House, lost the Senate, and lost the WH; again, the election victories the Democrats have gotten lately were not 'won' but given to them as a result of GOP 'losses'. The Democrats have no room to brag or gloat right now. They have yet to produce a candidate that offers anything the people want. Again, Jones did not win - Moor lost.

2. I agree with you that the so-called 'Conservatives' have failed. Then again, the GOP - 'the Conservative Party' - is not run by Conservatives or even politicians who believe in, espouse, and stand up for true Conservative values and beliefs. It is run by Washington Establishment Status Quo RINO schmucks like McConnell. Every defeat of a 'TEA Party Member' or a 'Trump-like' candidate who wants to kick the corrupt pieces of fecal matter politicians out of Washington and return the power of government back to the people is celebrated by not only the Left but by the POS GOP politicians, again, like McConnell.

Your boy lost. Deal with it.

 

[IM2]

Did anybody notice Franken is still in office? When are democrats going to demand that this pervert resigns?

So is Conyers. Instead of being Perp Walked or booted from the Halls of Congress in record time with all their belongings like the employee Bill Murray fired in the Christmas movie 'Scrooged', they are allowed to take their time, leave on their own terms, and with a retirement.

Conyers has resigned.

 

[IM2]

There was proof against Roy Moore.

There were accusations. There was nothing that could have guaranteed a win in a court of law.

An illegal who had been deported 5 times fired a weapon resulting in the death of an American citizen, and a jury could not / would not find him guilty of any crime regarding taking her life. Anyone declaring someone is guilty of a crime and would be found so in a court of law, based on results like the case above, is just spouting opinion.

There were a bunch of proven false accusations.

The republicans were basically asking for a loss as usual, no strong denial or F Us thrown at the false accusers.

This is how you go from 3% government spending to 40%... by dedicating your life to losing. The conservatives have systematically failed at conserving anything of value.

Nah, they weren't false.

 

[easyt65]

Your boy lost. Deal with it.

Moore is not 'my boy'. He never was.

Why is it when someone who does not even have a 'dog in the fight' corrects a snowflake with facts the snowflake must automatically attack the person and accuse them of supporting the candidate?

Pointing out a fact does not make someone 'pro' or 'con' - it makes them someone who values facts / reality.

 

[easyt65]

Conyers has resigned.

And he said he would not leave until January. Again, someone who engaged in sexual misconduct for decades, stole tax dollars, and used the money to silence his victims should not be afforded the luxury of telling others when he will leave. He should be Perp Walked out the front door.

 

[Votto]

Although I am very happy that most Alabamans have chosen sanity over racism, sexism and xenophobia in electing Jones over the catastrophe that was his opponent, there's a part of me that really wanted Moore to be there .....as a poster child of ALL that is wrong with the GOP segment that is really a Trump Cult.

Without doubt, Trump will blame everything between heaven and hell BUT himself for this severe loss last night.......that's expected by a clueless, megalomaniac, but others around him will see that they just dodged a bullet in not having future pictures of themselves "congratulating" Moore and welcoming this low-life into the GOP fold.

Too bad, in a way, I had wanted for every republican candidate, next year, to be asked of their alliance with the likes of Moore...........but, Alabama did the right thing for both the state and the nation.

Now, after Virginia, New Jersey and Alabama, let Trump cultist try to revamp the mantra of "we won, we won, Trump is the greatest, etc.".............IT WON"T WORK and this is just the beginning, a prelude to the oncoming "storm" to soon hit the WH.... and in the righting of the rudder of the Trump Titanic.

The GOP has a conscience, that is the hell of it

I mean, they are not going to elect someone who has perjured himself about having sex with an intern that was under him nor would they elect someone who has driven a woman into a lake only to let her die.

The funny part is watching Dims try to come to terms with curbing their own veracious sexual appetites. It seems a little unfair to expect morally vacuous heathens all of a sudden try to find Jesus.

 

[sartre play]

Although I am very happy that most Alabamans have chosen sanity over racism, sexism and xenophobia in electing Jones over the catastrophe that was his opponent, there's a part of me that really wanted Moore to be there .....as a poster child of ALL that is wrong with the GOP segment that is really a Trump Cult.

Without doubt, Trump will blame everything between heaven and hell BUT himself for this severe loss last night.......that's expected by a clueless, megalomaniac, but others around him will see that they just dodged a bullet in not having future pictures of themselves "congratulating" Moore and welcoming this low-life into the GOP fold.

Too bad, in a way, I had wanted for every republican candidate, next year, to be asked of their alliance with the likes of Moore...........but, Alabama did the right thing for both the state and the nation.

Now, after Virginia, New Jersey and Alabama, let Trump cultist try to revamp the mantra of "we won, we won, Trump is the greatest, etc.".............IT WON"T WORK and this is just the beginning, a prelude to the oncoming "storm" to soon hit the WH.... and in the righting of the rudder of the Trump Titanic.

Don't worry about it. There is little difference between Rs and Ds...and one senator has little power to change things.

Agreed.

One needs to ask the question, why was the Democratic establishment working with the neoconservatives to defeat Moore?

Why were the Statists, socialists, athiests and globalists so willing to work with the corporatists to make sure Moore would not be in the Senate? This wasn't about his past transgressions.

When the left is hiring Frank Luntz, something seriously stinks in River City.

A new precedent has been set

My hope is the vote was to keep an idiot out of our senate.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Well....all I see is this...any two republicans can totally block anything they want to, in the Senate now. Any two. McCain and Corker, for example. Or any other combination. Jones gets sworn immediately..so he will have a vote on the reconciliation of the tax bill---I'm sure he'll vote against..so...how likely is it that it will pass?

 

[easyt65]

Well....all I see is this...any two republicans can totally block anything they want to, in the Senate now. Any two. McCain and Corker, for example. Or any other combination. Jones gets sworn immediately..so he will have a vote on the reconciliation of the tax bill---I'm sure he'll vote against..so...how likely is it that it will pass?

Great - 'Obstruction' made easier.....

 

[easyt65]

Or any other combination. Jones gets sworn immediately..so he will have a vote on the reconciliation of the tax bill---I'm sure he'll vote against..so...how likely is it that it will pass?

It can still pass if they vote it into law before jones is sworn in. The deadline to get it done just got shorter.

 

[OldLady]

Well....all I see is this...any two republicans can totally block anything they want to, in the Senate now. Any two. McCain and Corker, for example. Or any other combination. Jones gets sworn immediately..so he will have a vote on the reconciliation of the tax bill---I'm sure he'll vote against..so...how likely is it that it will pass?

Great - 'Obstruction' made easier.....

Has anyone thought of possibly working with the Dems? You know, the way major legislation is SUPPOSED to be crafted?

 

[easyt65]

The 'Big Winner' in the Alabama election is neither Jones nor the Democrats.

The 'Big Winner' is ... Mitch McConnell!

McConnell had been 'burdened' with the weight of his own promise to Conservatives:
- 'If we only had the HOUSE we could get things you want done...'

- 'If we only had the House AND SENATE we could get the things you want done.....'

- 'If we only had the House, Senate, AND the WH we could get things you want done!'

Poor Mitch was starting to struggle to come up with new ways, with the GOP having control of all 3, to FAIL to pass Trump's agenda - the agenda the people elected Trump to get done, and the agenda McConnell reluctantly declared he would push / pass if the GOP had all 3. He was still getting it done (or rather NOT getting it done), but he was hoping for some help....and he got it in Moore's defeat.

McConnell is not just a RINO, he's a 'pu$$y' - a gutless coward Washington Establishment Status Quo pu$$y who never has had the courage / conviction to stand up and really defend the values of Conservative values of those in the GOP who elect he and his fellow Washington Establishment cohorts. He is terrified of doing anything that might offend ANYONE which could result in him / his buddies losing their jobs, privileges, perks, salary, etc...

With Moore's loss, the GOP have 51 seats...making it mush easier for McConnell to help manufacture Trump / Conservative legislation losses and blame others for not keeping his promise.

 

[easyt65]

Has anyone thought of possibly working with the Dems? You know, the way major legislation is SUPPOSED to be crafted?

How do you work with Democrats, exactly, who have publicly, adamantly declared they are 100% committed to the Obstruction of anything the GOP and Trump propose while Trump is in the WH?

 

[nat4900]

Just to play the Devil's Advocate here...if it does turn out that the allegations against Moore were fabricated (and with the recent history of the Democratic Party doing things like paying for a fake Trump "dossier" to be released prior to the election...one would have to be rather naive to think that's not a distinct possibility) will yet another example of election sleaziness come back to bite Democrats in the ass? Let's be real here! Jones will be a one term Senator. Alabama voted in this election on allegations about character...not on issues. The State didn't turn liberal overnight and anyone who thinks it did is a buffoon!

NO.........regardless of the validity of the sexual predator allegations, Moore was, is and will always be SCUM......His stance on trashing the Constitution (the why he was kicked off the AL SC)...his stance on women's and gays' rights, Muslims and blacks' hatred ALL CLEARLY point out that this idiot should never have represented anyone except his fellow xenophobic, anti-LGBT and racist fellow dolts.

The proverbial chickens came home to roost for this scourge of a human being.

 

[MisterBeale]

This had everything to do with brain washing and fear mongering.

"Brain washing" accusations from a Trump CULT member like you???...........LOL

Just about everyone on this forum that knows my posting knows that I didn't vote for Trump and knows my views, yet you think since I don't support yours, you have this POV;

"Anyone that doesn't think like you is automatically a Trump supporter. Either they are with you, or they are against you."

There is no nuance, no room for discernment. You see the world in black and white.

I believe this is as much your weakness as it is the weakness of those you rail against.


When I say that the results of this election were a result of "brain washing," what I mean, is that not only did Democrats pour in money to Jones campaign, but the neo-cons, the establishment conservatives, those aligned with the Romney types, the Bush types, and the war making establishment, also supported Jones, for whatever reason.

Moore, like Pence, is a Dominionist, as well as being associated with the grass roots Tea Party. The neo-cons and globalists are more afraid of his Domionist links and their growing power than they are of Jones who they believe they can pay off for what ever reason.

Be careful who you get in bed with.

Mystery money floods Alabama in Senate race's final days

Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics — Ad Claims ‘Your Vote Is Public Record’
Pro-Doug Jones Super PAC Using Voter Intimidation Tactics - Ad Claims 'Your Vote Is Public Record' - Breitbart

I see this quite differently. It was Trump and the Moore campaign that warned the sky would fall if Jones were elected. I heard one of Jones' speeches and he sure didn't sound like a hair on fire progressive to me. Trump said the MAGA movement DEPENDED on Moore being elected. That's crazy talk. Repubs still have a majority for a year.

I don't know much about the grass roots Tea Party or what neo-cons are supposed to be or what a Dominionist is, but Roy Moore's values went a bit too far impinging on the rights of others. Regardless of what he likes sexually, I think our entire country needs to stay as far from bigotry as we can. Muslims can't serve in Congress? Homosexuality should be illegal? Ditch all but the Bill of Rights and take freedom from slaves, votes from women?
I don't think we can abide that in 2017 in the halls of Congress. You can have a little club that meets in the barn that believes in that stuff, but a major political party shouldn't support it.
Moore wants his religion to apply to all, and that ain't right now, was never right.

Thank you for your very informed and intelligent reply Old Lady, always a pleasure to read respectful posts.

I would agree with all of that.

That is why, If I were an Alabama voter, I would have just abstained.

What I was addressing were the Deep State machinations. I am primarily concerned with why the establishment, both the neo-conservatives, meaning the republican party establishment at the CFR, and the Democratic establishment, both wanted Jones to win. A one party system to me, stinks of tyrrany.

OTH, you are right, Moore is no option at all. I remember having a conversation with a bi-sexual girl friend of mine about this article;

Roy Moore Blames Lesbians And Socialists For Sexual Misconduct Accusations
Roy Moore says lesbian, gay and transgender people are behind the misconduct allegations against him
http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-b...cialists-sexual-misconduct-accusations-726892
We went to the source of these rumors, the credibility of the yearbook inscription and the witness, and even though she agreed with me that those relationships were probably consensual, and these accusations were probably distorted, him using this inflammatory and divisive language and acting like a bigot is as despicable as what his opponents do. Divide and conquer is divide and conquer, it doesn't matter who does it. I hate bigotry. All sides are doing it. He IS a piece of shit. It really doesn't matter if those relationships were consensual. Even if your are a conservative that holds that homosexuality is either a "sin" or a "mental illness," the way he was acting on the campaign WAS hateful, and lacked all compassion and consensus building. You are correct. He WAS pandering, in a much worse way than Trump ever did.

When the system gives you no viable option, the only option you have is to boycott.



The thing I don't think you understand though, is that the Republican party is NOT united. There are establishment Republicans that tow the party line, the CFR globalist agenda very closely, and then there are nationalists that do not want to subvert the sovereignty of the Constitution to the rule of the UN and multinational corporate treaties. These two factions are even now arguing about how they are going to reform taxes to give power to globalist corporations or local mom and pop American companies. It might not pass.

The nationalists will make common cause with the Dominionists if it will help their cause.
Dominionism: A ‘dangerous’ Christian movement influencing Michele Bachmann and Rick Perry?

I'm sure you are familiar and aware of all the separate infighting in the Democrat party? Well, the intrigue in the Republican party is just as intense. And some of those Republicans would gladly sink Moore if it means keeping a Dominionist out of the Senate.

 

[nat4900]

You sound scared

If that is all you got from my post....you should go back to bed.......LOL

 

[MisterBeale]

Although I am very happy that most Alabamans have chosen sanity over racism, sexism and xenophobia in electing Jones over the catastrophe that was his opponent, there's a part of me that really wanted Moore to be there .....as a poster child of ALL that is wrong with the GOP segment that is really a Trump Cult.

Without doubt, Trump will blame everything between heaven and hell BUT himself for this severe loss last night.......that's expected by a clueless, megalomaniac, but others around him will see that they just dodged a bullet in not having future pictures of themselves "congratulating" Moore and welcoming this low-life into the GOP fold.

Too bad, in a way, I had wanted for every republican candidate, next year, to be asked of their alliance with the likes of Moore...........but, Alabama did the right thing for both the state and the nation.

Now, after Virginia, New Jersey and Alabama, let Trump cultist try to revamp the mantra of "we won, we won, Trump is the greatest, etc.".............IT WON"T WORK and this is just the beginning, a prelude to the oncoming "storm" to soon hit the WH.... and in the righting of the rudder of the Trump Titanic.

Don't worry about it. There is little difference between Rs and Ds...and one senator has little power to change things.

Agreed.

One needs to ask the question, why was the Democratic establishment working with the neoconservatives to defeat Moore?

Why were the Statists, socialists, athiests and globalists so willing to work with the corporatists to make sure Moore would not be in the Senate? This wasn't about his past transgressions.

When the left is hiring Frank Luntz, something seriously stinks in River City.

A new precedent has been set

My hope is the vote was to keep an idiot out of our senate.

More likely, it was to further the global corporate agenda.

 

[nat4900]

You want to broad brush the entire GOP when Trump originally endorsed Moore's opponent?

An even more lame retort than usual there, Blues.........LOL