'Missing heat' discovery prompts new estimate of global warming

[PredFan]

Do you really believe what you post?

The science concluding that AGW results from increasing atmospheric GHG concentrations is indisputable. Even by high school science.

Now you have exposed your own ignorance.

I learned in High School and subsequently in college as well that a gas can hold more particles of other elements such as GHG when the temperature is higher. More water vapor, more CO2, more oxygen, and more pollutants. Saying that the atmosphere is hot because of the GHG is putting the cart before the horse.

You are confusing cause and effect.

All that you don't want to know about global warming from Live Science.

What Is Global Warming?

by Marc Lallanilla, LiveScience Staff Writer | October 02, 2013

These images show the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures in 1884, 1927, 1969 and 2012. Dark blue indicates areas cooler than average. Dark red indicates areas warmer than average.
Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization StudioView full size image
Global warming — the gradual heating of Earth's surface, oceans and atmosphere — has emerged as one of the most vexing environmental issues of our time.

The rise in average temperatures worldwide has been documented by scientists since the late 1800s. The Earth's average temperature has risen by 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) over the past century, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reports.

Though the existence of global warming was once considered controversial, it is now acknowledged as real by an overwhelming majority of researchers throughout the international scientific community, according to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).


Furthermore, most scientists agree that the rate of global warming we're now experiencing is not a natural occurrence, but is primarily the result of human activity. That consensus was made clear in a major climate report released Sept. 27, 2013, by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC); in it, climate scientists indicated they are more certain than ever of the link between human activities and global warming.

The greenhouse effect
Global warming begins with the greenhouse effect, which is caused by the interaction between Earth's atmosphere and incoming radiation from the sun.

Solar radiation passes through the atmosphere and is partially absorbed on the surface of Earth. Some of the incoming radiation, however, is reflected back out toward space.

Gases in Earth's atmosphere absorb some of that reflected radiation; as a result, the atmosphere heats up.

This atmospheric warming is known as the "greenhouse effect" because the same process keeps a greenhouse warm during cold weather: Solar radiation is trapped by the glass walls of a greenhouse, heating the greenhouse and keeping its plants warm throughout the winter.

The atmospheric gases primarily responsible for the greenhouse effect are known as "greenhouse gases" and include water vapor, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane and nitrous oxide. Not all greenhouse gases are the same: methane, for example, has roughly 21 times the heat-trapping ability of carbon dioxide, according to the EPA.

Nonetheless, CO2 is frequently cited as the principal driver of global warming because human activity — primarily, the burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil — has released unprecedented amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution began in the late 1700s.

Global warming statistics
Before the Industrial Revolution, the amount of atmospheric CO2 was about 280 parts per million (ppm), according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

But since the late 1700s, CO2 levels have been increasing steadily; beginning in the year 2000, the rate of increase has been about 1.9 ppm per year, according to NOAA.

In May 2013, scientists reported measuring carbon dioxide levels as high as 400 ppm, a symbolic benchmark that nonetheless has climate scientists concerned: Levels of CO2 haven't been that high since the Pliocene Epoch, between 3 million and 5 million years ago, according to the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

During that era, global average temperatures were between 5.4 and 7.2 degrees F (3 to 4 degrees C) warmer than today, and sea level was up to 131 feet (40 meters) higher in some areas.

The effects of global warming are already visible in many areas of the world: In Montana's Glacier National Park, where about 150 glaciers were once found, only 25 glaciers larger than 25 acres remain, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

And temperatures in North America reached record highs in 2012, making it the hottest year since recordkeeping began in 1895. Scientists also recorded the second-greatest number of temperature extremes (extreme highs and lows) in 2012.

[Related: Countdown: The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted]

Global warming and climate change
The rise in average global temperatures, serious as it is, is just one aspect of global warming. Scientists are also concerned that global warming will cause climate patterns to change worldwide.

Climate change resulting from warming temperatures will likely include major changes in wind patterns, annual precipitation and seasonal temperatures variations. These changes are expected to last for several decades or longer, according to the EPA.

In the northeastern United States, for example, climate change is likely to bring increased annual rainfall.

In the Pacific Northwest, however, summer rainfall is expected to decrease, while winter precipitation is more likely to fall as rain instead of snow. This will reduce the amount of water available as snowmelt during the summer months.

How to address global warming
A growing number of business leaders, government officials and private citizens are increasingly concerned about global warming and its implications, and are proposing steps to reverse the trend.

Reducing greenhouse gas emissions is perhaps the most fundamental way to address global warming, and decreasing the rate at which fossil fuels are burned is critical to that effort.

Development of clean energy, including solar, wind and geothermal energy, has immense potential to reduce the amount of coal and oil burned to power electrical generating plants.

More sustainable transportation options, such as mass transit and alt-fuel vehicles, will also reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. (The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that about 25 percent of energy-related CO2 emissions in the United States come from passenger vehicles).

Even individual efforts, such as lowering thermostats in winter and using energy-efficient light bulbs, will help to address global warming, but most climate researchers also stress the immediate need for large-scale, international policies to address the complex causes and effects of global warming.

So you really have nothing at all but to push the reset button back to the beginning and argue the same crap that we've already been over.

Thanks for playing.

AGW is a scam, people.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The ignorance you denier cultists display about history, science, and just about everything else (except maybe guns) is just astounding. Although by now, I'm pretty much used to hearing braindead, historically inaccurate drivel like this from you nutbaggers. Your cult fills you with so many myths, there is no room for the facts. Yet your false certainty, fueled by the Dunning-Kruger Effect, makes you think you know everything. LOL.

Heliocentrism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Heliocentrism, or heliocentricism,[1] is the astronomical model in which the Earth and planets revolve around a relatively stationary Sun at the center of the Solar System. The word comes from the Greek (ἥλιος helios "sun" and κέντρον kentron "center"). Historically, heliocentrism was opposed to geocentrism, which placed the Earth at the center. The notion that the Earth revolves around the Sun had been proposed as early as the 3rd century BC by Aristarchus of Samos,[2] but Aristarchus's heliocentrism attracted little attention until Copernicus revived and elaborated it.[3] Lucio Russo, however, argues that this is a misleading impression resulting from the loss of scientific works of the Hellenistic Era. Using indirect evidence he argues that a heliocentric view was expounded in Hipparchus's work on gravity.[4]

It was not until the 16th century that a fully predictive mathematical model of a heliocentric system was presented, by the Renaissance mathematician, astronomer, and Catholic cleric Nicolaus Copernicus of Poland, leading to the Copernican Revolution. In the following century, Johannes Kepler elaborated upon and expanded this model to include elliptical orbits, and supporting observations made using a telescope were presented by Galileo Galilei.

You call me ignorant, and then confirm what I said.

Believe it or not, that says a lot more about you than it does me.

The fact that you're so ignorant and stupid that you imagine that what I posted confirms the nonsense you were spewing just demonstrates my point about how ignorant and stupid you are.

Retards who try to use your argument, or, alternatively, say that '"science" used to think that the Earth is flat', are very obviously ignorant about the nature of science or just when modern science emerged as method for understanding the universe around us.

warmers are pushing an agenda that that was based on faulty data.

 

[RollingThunder]

You call me ignorant, and then confirm what I said.

Believe it or not, that says a lot more about you than it does me.

The fact that you're so ignorant and stupid that you imagine that what I posted confirms the nonsense you were spewing just demonstrates my point about how ignorant and stupid you are.

Retards who try to use your argument, or, alternatively, say that '"science" used to think that the Earth is flat', are very obviously ignorant about the nature of science or just when modern science emerged as method for understanding the universe around us.

warmers are pushing an agenda that that was based on faulty data.

That's one of the myths your cult lives on. It has nothing o do with reality.

 

[RollingThunder]

Now you have exposed your own ignorance.

I learned in High School and subsequently in college as well that a gas can hold more particles of other elements such as GHG when the temperature is higher. More water vapor, more CO2, more oxygen, and more pollutants. Saying that the atmosphere is hot because of the GHG is putting the cart before the horse.

You are confusing cause and effect.

All that you don't want to know about global warming from Live Science.

What Is Global Warming?

by Marc Lallanilla, LiveScience Staff Writer | October 02, 2013

These images show the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures in 1884, 1927, 1969 and 2012. Dark blue indicates areas cooler than average. Dark red indicates areas warmer than average.
Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization StudioView full size image
Global warming — the gradual heating of Earth's surface, oceans and atmosphere — has emerged as one of the most vexing environmental issues of our time.

The rise in average temperatures worldwide has been documented by scientists since the late 1800s. The Earth's average temperature has risen by 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) over the past century, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reports.

Though the existence of global warming was once considered controversial, it is now acknowledged as real by an overwhelming majority of researchers throughout the international scientific community, according to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).


Furthermore, most scientists agree that the rate of global warming we're now experiencing is not a natural occurrence, but is primarily the result of human activity. That consensus was made clear in a major climate report released Sept. 27, 2013, by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC); in it, climate scientists indicated they are more certain than ever of the link between human activities and global warming.

The greenhouse effect
Global warming begins with the greenhouse effect, which is caused by the interaction between Earth's atmosphere and incoming radiation from the sun.

Solar radiation passes through the atmosphere and is partially absorbed on the surface of Earth. Some of the incoming radiation, however, is reflected back out toward space.

Gases in Earth's atmosphere absorb some of that reflected radiation; as a result, the atmosphere heats up.

This atmospheric warming is known as the "greenhouse effect" because the same process keeps a greenhouse warm during cold weather: Solar radiation is trapped by the glass walls of a greenhouse, heating the greenhouse and keeping its plants warm throughout the winter.

The atmospheric gases primarily responsible for the greenhouse effect are known as "greenhouse gases" and include water vapor, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane and nitrous oxide. Not all greenhouse gases are the same: methane, for example, has roughly 21 times the heat-trapping ability of carbon dioxide, according to the EPA.

Nonetheless, CO2 is frequently cited as the principal driver of global warming because human activity — primarily, the burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil — has released unprecedented amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution began in the late 1700s.

Global warming statistics
Before the Industrial Revolution, the amount of atmospheric CO2 was about 280 parts per million (ppm), according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

But since the late 1700s, CO2 levels have been increasing steadily; beginning in the year 2000, the rate of increase has been about 1.9 ppm per year, according to NOAA.

In May 2013, scientists reported measuring carbon dioxide levels as high as 400 ppm, a symbolic benchmark that nonetheless has climate scientists concerned: Levels of CO2 haven't been that high since the Pliocene Epoch, between 3 million and 5 million years ago, according to the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

During that era, global average temperatures were between 5.4 and 7.2 degrees F (3 to 4 degrees C) warmer than today, and sea level was up to 131 feet (40 meters) higher in some areas.

The effects of global warming are already visible in many areas of the world: In Montana's Glacier National Park, where about 150 glaciers were once found, only 25 glaciers larger than 25 acres remain, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

And temperatures in North America reached record highs in 2012, making it the hottest year since recordkeeping began in 1895. Scientists also recorded the second-greatest number of temperature extremes (extreme highs and lows) in 2012.

[Related: Countdown: The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted]

Global warming and climate change
The rise in average global temperatures, serious as it is, is just one aspect of global warming. Scientists are also concerned that global warming will cause climate patterns to change worldwide.

Climate change resulting from warming temperatures will likely include major changes in wind patterns, annual precipitation and seasonal temperatures variations. These changes are expected to last for several decades or longer, according to the EPA.

In the northeastern United States, for example, climate change is likely to bring increased annual rainfall.

In the Pacific Northwest, however, summer rainfall is expected to decrease, while winter precipitation is more likely to fall as rain instead of snow. This will reduce the amount of water available as snowmelt during the summer months.

How to address global warming
A growing number of business leaders, government officials and private citizens are increasingly concerned about global warming and its implications, and are proposing steps to reverse the trend.

Reducing greenhouse gas emissions is perhaps the most fundamental way to address global warming, and decreasing the rate at which fossil fuels are burned is critical to that effort.

Development of clean energy, including solar, wind and geothermal energy, has immense potential to reduce the amount of coal and oil burned to power electrical generating plants.

More sustainable transportation options, such as mass transit and alt-fuel vehicles, will also reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. (The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that about 25 percent of energy-related CO2 emissions in the United States come from passenger vehicles).

Even individual efforts, such as lowering thermostats in winter and using energy-efficient light bulbs, will help to address global warming, but most climate researchers also stress the immediate need for large-scale, international policies to address the complex causes and effects of global warming.

So you really have nothing at all but to push the reset button back to the beginning and argue the same crap that we've already been over. Thanks for playing. AGW is a scam, people.

Since you were too stupid and brainwashed to understand the scientific facts the first time they were shown to you, prodfcked, it is no surprise that you're still too stupid and brainwashed to comprehend the facts this time either.

BTW, in the real world where the sane people live, AGW is a scientific reality, affirmed by virtually the entire world scientific community.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The fact that you're so ignorant and stupid that you imagine that what I posted confirms the nonsense you were spewing just demonstrates my point about how ignorant and stupid you are.

Retards who try to use your argument, or, alternatively, say that '"science" used to think that the Earth is flat', are very obviously ignorant about the nature of science or just when modern science emerged as method for understanding the universe around us.

warmers are pushing an agenda that that was based on faulty data.

That's one of the myths your cult lives on. It has nothing o do with reality.

your assumption is based on faulty data

 

[RollingThunder]

warmers are pushing an agenda that that was based on faulty data.

That's one of the myths your cult lives on. It has nothing o do with reality.

your assumption is based on faulty data

My assumption that you are an ignorant, brainwashed idiot is based on observational data that is quite obvious and accurate, bigredbutthole. Your belief in the crackpot myths of your cult of reality denial is just more supporting evidence.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

That's one of the myths your cult lives on. It has nothing o do with reality.

your assumption is based on faulty data

My assumption that you are an ignorant, brainwashed idiot is based on observational data that is quite obvious and accurate, bigredbutthole. Your belief in the crackpot myths of your cult of reality denial is just more supporting evidence.

Brainwashed? I'm not the one whose pushing data that has been proven faulty.
Only a brainwashed turd would do that.

 

[RollingThunder]

your assumption is based on faulty data

My assumption that you are an ignorant, brainwashed idiot is based on observational data that is quite obvious and accurate, bigredbutthole. Your belief in the crackpot myths of your cult of reality denial is just more supporting evidence.

Brainwashed? I'm not the one whose pushing data that has been proven faulty.
Only a brainwashed turd would do that.

Your delusion and myth that the data used in climate science "has been proven faulty" is more evidence that you are an ignorant brainwashed retard, bigredbutthole. Jerk your head out of the denier cult echo chamber and listen to the actual climate scientists. In the real world, it is all of the braindead myths and misinformation that is embraced by your little cult of reality denial that has been "proven faulty".

 

[bigrebnc1775]

My assumption that you are an ignorant, brainwashed idiot is based on observational data that is quite obvious and accurate, bigredbutthole. Your belief in the crackpot myths of your cult of reality denial is just more supporting evidence.

Brainwashed? I'm not the one whose pushing data that has been proven faulty.
Only a brainwashed turd would do that.

Your delusion and myth that the data used in climate science "has been proven faulty" is more evidence that you are an ignorant brainwashed retard, bigredbutthole. Jerk your head out of the denier cult echo chamber and listen to the actual climate scientists. In the real world, it is all of the braindead myths and misinformation that is embraced by your little cult of reality denial that has been "proven faulty".

Yawn you're boring me with fairy tales and delusions

 

[Abraham3]

You guys are secretly gay lovers and drinking buddies, ain't ya?

 

[PMZ]

Now you have exposed your own ignorance.

I learned in High School and subsequently in college as well that a gas can hold more particles of other elements such as GHG when the temperature is higher. More water vapor, more CO2, more oxygen, and more pollutants. Saying that the atmosphere is hot because of the GHG is putting the cart before the horse.

You are confusing cause and effect.

All that you don't want to know about global warming from Live Science.

What Is Global Warming?

by Marc Lallanilla, LiveScience Staff Writer | October 02, 2013

These images show the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures in 1884, 1927, 1969 and 2012. Dark blue indicates areas cooler than average. Dark red indicates areas warmer than average.
Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization StudioView full size image
Global warming — the gradual heating of Earth's surface, oceans and atmosphere — has emerged as one of the most vexing environmental issues of our time.

The rise in average temperatures worldwide has been documented by scientists since the late 1800s. The Earth's average temperature has risen by 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) over the past century, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reports.

Though the existence of global warming was once considered controversial, it is now acknowledged as real by an overwhelming majority of researchers throughout the international scientific community, according to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).


Furthermore, most scientists agree that the rate of global warming we're now experiencing is not a natural occurrence, but is primarily the result of human activity. That consensus was made clear in a major climate report released Sept. 27, 2013, by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC); in it, climate scientists indicated they are more certain than ever of the link between human activities and global warming.

The greenhouse effect
Global warming begins with the greenhouse effect, which is caused by the interaction between Earth's atmosphere and incoming radiation from the sun.

Solar radiation passes through the atmosphere and is partially absorbed on the surface of Earth. Some of the incoming radiation, however, is reflected back out toward space.

Gases in Earth's atmosphere absorb some of that reflected radiation; as a result, the atmosphere heats up.

This atmospheric warming is known as the "greenhouse effect" because the same process keeps a greenhouse warm during cold weather: Solar radiation is trapped by the glass walls of a greenhouse, heating the greenhouse and keeping its plants warm throughout the winter.

The atmospheric gases primarily responsible for the greenhouse effect are known as "greenhouse gases" and include water vapor, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane and nitrous oxide. Not all greenhouse gases are the same: methane, for example, has roughly 21 times the heat-trapping ability of carbon dioxide, according to the EPA.

Nonetheless, CO2 is frequently cited as the principal driver of global warming because human activity — primarily, the burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil — has released unprecedented amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution began in the late 1700s.

Global warming statistics
Before the Industrial Revolution, the amount of atmospheric CO2 was about 280 parts per million (ppm), according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

But since the late 1700s, CO2 levels have been increasing steadily; beginning in the year 2000, the rate of increase has been about 1.9 ppm per year, according to NOAA.

In May 2013, scientists reported measuring carbon dioxide levels as high as 400 ppm, a symbolic benchmark that nonetheless has climate scientists concerned: Levels of CO2 haven't been that high since the Pliocene Epoch, between 3 million and 5 million years ago, according to the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

During that era, global average temperatures were between 5.4 and 7.2 degrees F (3 to 4 degrees C) warmer than today, and sea level was up to 131 feet (40 meters) higher in some areas.

The effects of global warming are already visible in many areas of the world: In Montana's Glacier National Park, where about 150 glaciers were once found, only 25 glaciers larger than 25 acres remain, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

And temperatures in North America reached record highs in 2012, making it the hottest year since recordkeeping began in 1895. Scientists also recorded the second-greatest number of temperature extremes (extreme highs and lows) in 2012.

[Related: Countdown: The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted]

Global warming and climate change
The rise in average global temperatures, serious as it is, is just one aspect of global warming. Scientists are also concerned that global warming will cause climate patterns to change worldwide.

Climate change resulting from warming temperatures will likely include major changes in wind patterns, annual precipitation and seasonal temperatures variations. These changes are expected to last for several decades or longer, according to the EPA.

In the northeastern United States, for example, climate change is likely to bring increased annual rainfall.

In the Pacific Northwest, however, summer rainfall is expected to decrease, while winter precipitation is more likely to fall as rain instead of snow. This will reduce the amount of water available as snowmelt during the summer months.

How to address global warming
A growing number of business leaders, government officials and private citizens are increasingly concerned about global warming and its implications, and are proposing steps to reverse the trend.

Reducing greenhouse gas emissions is perhaps the most fundamental way to address global warming, and decreasing the rate at which fossil fuels are burned is critical to that effort.

Development of clean energy, including solar, wind and geothermal energy, has immense potential to reduce the amount of coal and oil burned to power electrical generating plants.

More sustainable transportation options, such as mass transit and alt-fuel vehicles, will also reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. (The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that about 25 percent of energy-related CO2 emissions in the United States come from passenger vehicles).

Even individual efforts, such as lowering thermostats in winter and using energy-efficient light bulbs, will help to address global warming, but most climate researchers also stress the immediate need for large-scale, international policies to address the complex causes and effects of global warming.

So you really have nothing at all but to push the reset button back to the beginning and argue the same crap that we've already been over.

Thanks for playing.

AGW is a scam, people.

Pretty compelling evidence.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Nearly 80% of this planet is ocean. SO why not?

 

[PMZ]

When the furnace cones on in your home, it doesn't warm everything instantly, uniformly, or at the same rate. The energy from the warm air out of the registers wanders around the room and it does its chaotic thing until, after quite awhile, warm temperature stabilizes on its way back to cold.

Why would anyone expect the entire earth, with all of its systems, to be simple linear, instant warming?

 

[Abraham3]

I learned in High School and subsequently in college as well that a gas can hold more particles of other elements such as GHG when the temperature is higher. More water vapor, more CO2, more oxygen, and more pollutants. Saying that the atmosphere is hot because of the GHG is putting the cart before the horse.

That is virtually word-for-word verbatim what poster Elektra posted here. It's nonsense, but that only makes it more odd that the two of you should post such nearly identical comments. It's like three kids in a class taking a test giving the exact same wrong answers. Ya know?

The higher the temperature of a gas (like the atmosphere) the higher is the saturation point for a *vapor*. There is a limit to how much water vapor you can put into air at any given temperature because beyond that point, the vapor precipitates as water. This happens because the ambient temperature at which this is all taking place is well BELOW the actual vaporization temperature of water (100C, 212F). In the case of nitrogen, oxygen, CO2 and all the other gaseous components of air, they are WELL ABOVE their vaporization temperatures. It is NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE for them to precipitate out of the atmosphere as a liquid. That is not true for water. You cannot fill a container, say, with 100% water vapor - no other component - at standard ambient temperature and pressure (SATP) (25 °C, 77 °F, 100 kPa, 14.504 psi, 0.987 atm). It will instantly precipitate because at that temperature and pressure it's phase diagram shows it to be liquid. You most certainly CAN fill that container with 100% nitrogen, oxygen, CO2 or any of the other atmospheric gases. No problem at all. And that would be true at any temperature between the temperature at which they vaporize (-56.6C, -69.8F for CO2) and the temperature at which they turn into a plasma (many thousands of C).

So, just to be clear. What you 'learned' applies to water vapor and would apply to any other compound that was LIQUID at the conditions of your experiment. It DOES NOT APPLY to N2, O2, CO2, methane, CO or any of the other gaseous components of the atmosphere.

You are confusing cause and effect.

No he is not. You are confused or simply unwilling to change your mind despite the facts that say you should. Gases dissolve in liquids. Unlike dissolving solids in liquids (salt or sugar in water) where increased temperatures increase solubility, the solubility of gases in liquids goes UP when the liquids temperature goes DOWN. Think of your experience with carbonated sodas. So, all the gases in the atmosphere are present - in solution - in the world's oceans, lakes and rivers. The amount that can stay there is dependent on the temperature. When the temperature goes up, less can stay in solution and so some of those gases leave the liquid and return to the atmosphere. As global temperatures increase, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere increases. It has NOTHING to do with the ability of the atmosphere to "hold" CO2. The atmosphere could be 100% CO2 at it's current temperatures.

In a completely separate process, CO2 in the atmosphere absorbs infrared radiation that would otherwise escape the Earth to space. This causes the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere, the ground and the oceans to all increase. This is the primary cause of global warming.

The combination of the two processes lead to a reinforcement that allowed the minute radiance changes of the Milankovitch cycles to thaw the Earth from its repeated snowball states. If anything increases the temperature, it causes CO2 concentrations to rise. Increased CO2 concentrations further increase the temperature. The process is only turned about when Milankovitch warming ceases or the process reaches a point (say +10C) where the effect of further CO2 has less effect. Now keep in mind that humans have boosted the level of atmospheric CO2 hundreds or even thousands of times faster than Milankovitch warming ever did. So... keep your eyes open.

 

[Abraham3]

PredFan, did you read this? Was I clear? Sometimes I'm too chatty - too many little detours. Do you understand that what you were trying to tell us (me) applies to water vapor but DOES NOT APPLY to gases like CO2.

 

[Abraham3]

Bee-yump

 

[SwimExpert]

One day, as the Emperor sat with his chemistry lab set and his box of Kinects, his man servant came into the room to announce the arrival of a group of scientists. Suddenly giddy with joy the Emperor anxiously welcomed them in. Except what the Emperor didn't know was that they weren't really scientists, they were swindlers!

After tea and cakes were fetched, the swindlers finally told the Emperor why they came to visit. "We are great scientists from lands afar, and we have come here to do great scientific study in your honor, your Highness. But our study is most magnificent, and will help you find anyone in your employ who is stupid or incompetent. You see, we will use a special magic we have learned, so that the stupid and incompetent will not be able to see our results!" The Emperor was positively delighted at the news. For the Emperor loved to play scientists. And now he would be able to show everyone that he was a real expert. So he hired the scientists to do their research.

And so the swindlers set out to do their "research." They promised the Emperor to discover something they called man made global warming. They concocted many machines that baffled most people who saw them. And when people asked how the work was coming, they used complex and confusing methodology. Little did everyone realize at the time, but nobody seemed to really understand the logic behind what the swindlers were saying. But they all feared being accused of being stupid and incompetent so they said nothing. They pretended to see what everyone else said they saw, all along thinking that everyone else really did see it.

One day, the swindlers work was finally done. When they showed it to the Emperor he jumped with excitement! "Finally," he said aloud. "Now I can show all my subjects that I am a smart man of science. So he called everyone into the town auditorium to make his grand presentation of his great scientific work he had commissioned. All the townspeople looked on, oohh-ing and aahh-ing as the Emperor explained all the findings of greenhouse gases, glacier movements, and measurements that had been taken millions of years ago, the Emperor felt more and more proud of himself.

But there was one little boy whose innocence made him wise beyond his years. He stood up, pointed to the screen, and said "But there's no warming."

 

[Abraham3]

[Giddy clapping] How witty! How clever! How unoriginal, uncreative and plagiaristic!

Coming from the author of the "I am Gifted" posts, this is a pretty amazing level of hypocrisy

Do you know why you get nowhere arguing science? I mean, besides the fact that you don'tseem to actually know it very well... it's because the SCIENCE is against you. The facts are against you. The consensus of the experts is against you. The rules of logic, the laws of nature and any exercise of competent reason are against you.

Why don't you try jibing about. You'd be amazed how much better the sailing is on a long reach.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

All that you don't want to know about global warming from Live Science.

What Is Global Warming?

by Marc Lallanilla, LiveScience Staff Writer | October 02, 2013

These images show the five-year average variation of global surface temperatures in 1884, 1927, 1969 and 2012. Dark blue indicates areas cooler than average. Dark red indicates areas warmer than average.
Credit: NASA/Goddard Scientific Visualization StudioView full size image
Global warming — the gradual heating of Earth's surface, oceans and atmosphere — has emerged as one of the most vexing environmental issues of our time.

The rise in average temperatures worldwide has been documented by scientists since the late 1800s. The Earth's average temperature has risen by 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degrees Celsius) over the past century, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) reports.

Though the existence of global warming was once considered controversial, it is now acknowledged as real by an overwhelming majority of researchers throughout the international scientific community, according to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).


Furthermore, most scientists agree that the rate of global warming we're now experiencing is not a natural occurrence, but is primarily the result of human activity. That consensus was made clear in a major climate report released Sept. 27, 2013, by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC); in it, climate scientists indicated they are more certain than ever of the link between human activities and global warming.

The greenhouse effect
Global warming begins with the greenhouse effect, which is caused by the interaction between Earth's atmosphere and incoming radiation from the sun.

Solar radiation passes through the atmosphere and is partially absorbed on the surface of Earth. Some of the incoming radiation, however, is reflected back out toward space.

Gases in Earth's atmosphere absorb some of that reflected radiation; as a result, the atmosphere heats up.

This atmospheric warming is known as the "greenhouse effect" because the same process keeps a greenhouse warm during cold weather: Solar radiation is trapped by the glass walls of a greenhouse, heating the greenhouse and keeping its plants warm throughout the winter.

The atmospheric gases primarily responsible for the greenhouse effect are known as "greenhouse gases" and include water vapor, carbon dioxide (CO2), methane and nitrous oxide. Not all greenhouse gases are the same: methane, for example, has roughly 21 times the heat-trapping ability of carbon dioxide, according to the EPA.

Nonetheless, CO2 is frequently cited as the principal driver of global warming because human activity — primarily, the burning of fossil fuels like coal and oil — has released unprecedented amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution began in the late 1700s.

Global warming statistics
Before the Industrial Revolution, the amount of atmospheric CO2 was about 280 parts per million (ppm), according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

But since the late 1700s, CO2 levels have been increasing steadily; beginning in the year 2000, the rate of increase has been about 1.9 ppm per year, according to NOAA.

In May 2013, scientists reported measuring carbon dioxide levels as high as 400 ppm, a symbolic benchmark that nonetheless has climate scientists concerned: Levels of CO2 haven't been that high since the Pliocene Epoch, between 3 million and 5 million years ago, according to the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

During that era, global average temperatures were between 5.4 and 7.2 degrees F (3 to 4 degrees C) warmer than today, and sea level was up to 131 feet (40 meters) higher in some areas.

The effects of global warming are already visible in many areas of the world: In Montana's Glacier National Park, where about 150 glaciers were once found, only 25 glaciers larger than 25 acres remain, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

And temperatures in North America reached record highs in 2012, making it the hottest year since recordkeeping began in 1895. Scientists also recorded the second-greatest number of temperature extremes (extreme highs and lows) in 2012.

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Global warming and climate change
The rise in average global temperatures, serious as it is, is just one aspect of global warming. Scientists are also concerned that global warming will cause climate patterns to change worldwide.

Climate change resulting from warming temperatures will likely include major changes in wind patterns, annual precipitation and seasonal temperatures variations. These changes are expected to last for several decades or longer, according to the EPA.

In the northeastern United States, for example, climate change is likely to bring increased annual rainfall.

In the Pacific Northwest, however, summer rainfall is expected to decrease, while winter precipitation is more likely to fall as rain instead of snow. This will reduce the amount of water available as snowmelt during the summer months.

How to address global warming
A growing number of business leaders, government officials and private citizens are increasingly concerned about global warming and its implications, and are proposing steps to reverse the trend.

Reducing greenhouse gas emissions is perhaps the most fundamental way to address global warming, and decreasing the rate at which fossil fuels are burned is critical to that effort.

Development of clean energy, including solar, wind and geothermal energy, has immense potential to reduce the amount of coal and oil burned to power electrical generating plants.

More sustainable transportation options, such as mass transit and alt-fuel vehicles, will also reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. (The Union of Concerned Scientists estimates that about 25 percent of energy-related CO2 emissions in the United States come from passenger vehicles).

Even individual efforts, such as lowering thermostats in winter and using energy-efficient light bulbs, will help to address global warming, but most climate researchers also stress the immediate need for large-scale, international policies to address the complex causes and effects of global warming.

So you really have nothing at all but to push the reset button back to the beginning and argue the same crap that we've already been over.

Thanks for playing.

AGW is a scam, people.

Pretty compelling evidence.

regurgitated debunked garbage never is compelling

 

[orogenicman]