Millions Die Via Liberal Science

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    Well, according to numerous posts by some of the Left-wing buddies on the board, conservatives care naught about the earth, about environmentalism, or even clean-up efforts! Just about profits!

    As today is World Malaria Day, it might be appropriate to take a look at how well liberal efforts work out…

    1. World Malaria day — A Day to Act
    25 April is a day to commemorate global efforts to control malaria. The theme of the fourth World Malaria Day - Achieving Progress and Impact - heralds the international community's renewed efforts make progress towards zero malaria deaths by 2015….World Malaria Day represents a chance for all of us to make a difference. Whether you are a government, a company, a charity or an individual, you can roll back malaria and help generate broad gains in health and human development. World Malaria Day 2011

    2. o Annual worldwide cases of acute illness due to malaria: 300-500 million
    o Annual worldwide deaths due to malaria: 1.1-2.7 million, mostly among children under five years of age http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/documents/GlobalBurdenofMalaria.pdf

    3. Malaria is transmitted from person to person through the bite of a female Anopheles—a species of mosquito prevalent throughout sub-Saharan Africa and considered to be the most dangerous. Africa's Malaria Death Toll Still "Outrageously High"

    4. “…concerns about the impact of DDT (dichloro-diphenyl-trichloro-ethane) and its derivates on human health, in spite of the fact that DDT has been used widely for seven decades and no properly replicated and confirmed study has found any specific human health harm. Given the enormous and proven public health benefits arising from the use of DDT in disease control,… high levels of human exposure to DDT among those living in sprayed houses but presented no evidence of actual human harm arising from that exposure….Where DDT has been used in malaria control over many decades, populations have grown and health outcomes have improved.” Environmental Health Perspectives: DDT and Malaria Prevention

    So, why have so many millions been allowed to die, in the absence of DDT usage?

    Liberalism. The infamous liberal ‘science’ as exemplified, in this case, by Rachel Carson’s “Silent Spring.”

    5. “…Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, which in 1962 exposed the hazards of the pesticide DDT, eloquently questioned humanity's faith in technological progress and helped set the stage for the environmental movement….Silent Spring … meticulously described how DDT entered the food chain and accumulated in the fatty tissues of animals, including human beings, and caused cancer and genetic damage. …Carson concluded that DDT and other pesticides had irrevocably harmed birds and animals and had contaminated the entire world food supply.”
    NRDC: The Story of Silent Spring


    6. British politician Dick Taverne was damning in his criticism of Carson:
    Carson didn't seem to take into account the vital role (DDT) played in controlling the transmission of malaria by killing the mosquitoes that carry the parasite (...) It is the single most effective agent ever developed for saving human life (...) Rachel Carson is a warning to us all of the dangers of neglecting the evidence-based approach and the need to weight potential risk against benefit: it can be argued that the anti-DDT campaign she inspired was responsible for almost as many deaths as some of the worst dictators of the last century. Taverne, Dick (2005). "The Harm That Pressure Groups Can Do". In Feldman, Stanley; Marks, Vincent. Panic Nation.


    7. On June 14, 1972, 30 years ago this week, the EPA banned DDT despite considerable evidence of its safety offered in seven months of agency hearings. After listening to that testimony, the EPA's own administrative law judge declared, "DDT is not a carcinogenic hazard to man...DDT is not a mutagenic or teratogenic hazard to man...The use of DDT under the regulations involved here [does] not have a deleterious effect on freshwater fish, estuarine organisms, wild birds or other wildlife." Today environmental activists celebrate the EPA's DDT ban as their first great victory. Silent Spring at 40 - Reason Magazine

    So, what have we learned? A valuable lesson, one hopes, about liberal versus conservative thought and action:

    a. Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).

    b. Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.

    Today is World Malaria Day...we owe that to liberals.
     
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    that was a long leap. couldn't you have just said I hate liberals.
     
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    DDT was destroying the bird population.

    If you cannot figure out why killing off the birds would be a disasterous thing, so bad that DDT was banned to stop it, not amount of followup explanation is likely to convince you.
     
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    As always simple scapegoating and labeling. If we were all conservatives, in your use of the word, we'd still be living in caves, or maybe burning people at the stack, or killing witches for being the source of all that is bad on earth. You instead in an ironic twist of facts and fate place that burden on some ogle you label liberal. It keeps you from real thought, and condemns progress and ideas you are clueless about. If it makes you happy all the better for you, doesn't make any of that nonsense sense to anyone who knows even a bit of history. The places where death is too frequent a visitor are the traditional (conservative) societies in which representative constitutional, need I say liberal government do not exit.

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    "If history teaches us anything about politics it is this: Given enough time, liberals always win. The US was forged in liberalism, and has become more liberal with each generation. The leftward movement has seldom been smooth or consistent, but it has been unstoppable." Keith A. Pickering

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    If anyone wants to understand political conservatism, I suggest Albert O. Hirschman's brilliant 'The Rhetoric of Reaction.' "He argues that a triplet of 'rhetorical' criticisms--perversity, futility, and jeopardy--'has been unfailingly leveled' by 'reactionaries' at each major progressive reform of the past 300 years--those T. H. Marshall identified with the advancement of civil, political and social rights of citizenship...Charmingly written, this book can benefit a diverse readership." http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/HIRRHE.html?show=reviews
     
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    thank you rachel, for saving me.
     
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    ATSDR - ToxFAQs™: DDT, DDE, DDD

     
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    "Annual worldwide deaths due to malaria: 1.1-2.7 million, mostly among children under five years of age."

    Heck, color me silly, but I'm one of those whachacall conservatives who thinks- now don't laugh- that people are more important than birds....
     
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    WHO | Malaria eradication back on the table
     
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    1. "If history teaches us anything about politics it is this: Given enough time, liberals always win."

    I was curious as to whether or not there would be one of you folks so fearful and insecure that defending your flawed philosophy would take precidence to finding empathy for those who die as a result of support of same.

    And, Middy, you are the cake-taking prize winner!
    Bravo!

    I had the stopwatch all set...but it was unnecessary! You were the quickest by far!

    2. " If we were all conservatives, in your use of the word, we'd still be living in caves,..."

    You are sooooo good at bumper-stickers!
    Thinking, not so much.


    3. Care to try again?
    Was it a good idea for the liberal-enviromental greeniacs to ban DDT?
     
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    So, we have to assume that rather than champion policies that would protect human and animal life on the planet by restricting hazardous emissions, the Conservative environmental policy is bring back DDT.
     
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