Military General Bashes Obama Administration

[MaggieMae]

BO isn't qualified to polish the General's boots.

To borrow a line from another post ... BINGO!!

We need a wartime President ... not someone who appears to be an enemy sympathizer. Anybody who pronounces Corps "corpse" instead of "core" has no business being CINC. (Yes - Obama actually did say that. I heard him. )
He was reading from text and obviously not thinking about the word, stupid. Can I assume in your entire long life you've never made slips of the tongue? Wow. And here you are just another insignificant message board contributor just like me, who has made so many over the years, I could do a book.

If a military coup would get him out of the White House - go for it. He's a big part of "the enemy from within."

At this point, I'm seriously wanting to get our men out of Afghanistan and let the barbarians kill themselves off. Better yet, get some pre-atomic/nuclear types of bombs, pretend it's the ETO all over again and bomb the shit out of Afghanistan from one end to the other ... only we shouldn't pay a damned thing to put the country back on it's feet again.

Sorry - I'm just angry. It's just that sometimes you have to fight fire with fire ... and this would be one of those times.

I want out of Afghanistan too. I think everyone does. Except that bin Laden would then be free to go back home and set up shop again.

 

[MaggieMae]

Why the hell would any career military man respect "You know Who"??

This is a Harvard elitist with visions of grandeur.

He has no love for the military and I don't think much respect either.

OL"BO is just playing the part. Jeeze.

Yeah, that's it.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

BO isn't qualified to polish the General's boots.

To borrow a line from another post ... BINGO!!

We need a wartime President ... not someone who appears to be an enemy sympathizer. Anybody who pronounces Corps "corpse" instead of "core" has no business being CINC. (Yes - Obama actually did say that. I heard him. )
He was reading from text and obviously not thinking about the word, stupid. Can I assume in your entire long life you've never made slips of the tongue? Wow. And here you are just another insignificant message board contributor just like me, who has made so many over the years, I could do a book.

If a military coup would get him out of the White House - go for it. He's a big part of "the enemy from within."

At this point, I'm seriously wanting to get our men out of Afghanistan and let the barbarians kill themselves off. Better yet, get some pre-atomic/nuclear types of bombs, pretend it's the ETO all over again and bomb the shit out of Afghanistan from one end to the other ... only we shouldn't pay a damned thing to put the country back on it's feet again.

Sorry - I'm just angry. It's just that sometimes you have to fight fire with fire ... and this would be one of those times.

I want out of Afghanistan too. I think everyone does. Except that bin Laden would then be free to go back home and set up shop again.

Ummmmmmm....Bin Laden is still there....but no one can find him.

 

[MaggieMae]

And now for the REST of the story

Update: McChrystal retreats. Is it fast enough to save him?

He says in a statement: “I extend my sincerest apology for this profile. It was a mistake reflecting poor judgment and should never have happened. Throughout my career, I have lived by the principles of personal honor and professional integrity. What is reflected in this article falls far short of that standard. I have enormous respect and admiration for President Obama and his national security team, and for the civilian leaders and troops fighting this war and I remain committed to ensuring its successful outcome.”
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And of course THAT part of his apology should bring gales of laughter to everyone.

 

[MaggieMae]

Nice to see you'd favor throwing a General under the bus in favor of the Hussein.

I favor following the chain of command and not showing disrespect for seniors. I guess I am not all that surprised that you would not.

McChrystal made it all the way to 4-Star (that's a subtle jab at you), he must know what he's doing and of what he speaks.

How did McChrystal not follow the chain of command? He's at the top. He IS the chain of command. If he gets fired for his comments then that just shows how thin skinned many in the Obama administration are.

If I was the President in this situation I would ask McChrystal: "Why are you giving interviews to that group of dope smoking leftists?" But Obama won't because he IS a dope smoking leftist. They hate the Military you know.

And finally, did you not study Billy Mitchell while you were in the Navy sir? Go back and refresh your memory about his "insubordination" and the positive effects it ultimately had on the Navy and Air Power in general.

Oh wow, another brilliant analysis.

McChrystal is NOT at the top of the chain of command. Patreaus is the head of CENTCOM, and Robert Gates is Secretary of Defense. I don't know how the NATO commander fits into the chain, but I'm sure his job would trump General McChrystal's too.

 

[MaggieMae]

McChrystal is smart enough to know that in a conflict of this you only have two options.

A) Throw everything you have at the enemy and destroy them as quick as possible.

B) Retreat.

DC seems to think that there is an option C.

C) Use as little effort as possible, endanger as many young American soldiers as possible, while trying to win the hearts and minds of civilians in the area where the bad guys are.

WE TRIED THAT IN 'NAM AND IT DIDN'T WORK. Obama isn't qualified to wipe an E-2's anus with a sheet of silk. Seriously. You people that voted this guy in are just as bloody retarded.

You need to go back and review recent history. The military mission in Afghanistan IS McChrystal's, and was reluctantly accepted by Obama and State.

 

[MaggieMae]

Respect has to be earned....you cannot vote in respect for someone...it just doesn't work that way.
Personally I would like to see Obama fired. He's proven time and again that he just doesn't measure up as a leader. Sorry if that upsets some of you who voted for him but...that's the way the cookie is crumbling.

it doesn't upset me. he's still got an almost 50% approval rating.

but now you know how i felt for 8 years watching the stupidest president i've seen in my lifetime.

stuff happens.

That's fine...but Bush was a leader of men....and his strategies proved correct....even Obama admitted as much.
A 50% approval rating will NOT earn you ONE IOTA of respect from the boots on the ground in A'stan and Iraq.....that's how shit happens. Giving your troops the tools they need to take the fight to the enemy are what earns respect...leading your men BY EXAMPLE is what earns you respect....not playing political bullshit games to suck up to the left wing Code Pink fucks.

Not to derail this thread even more, but Bush's Iraq strategy sucked (stay the course) until he finally fired Rumsfeld and accepted General Patreaus's counter-insurgency strategy. Credit the General, not the First Lieutenant.

 

[MaggieMae]

To borrow a line from another post ... BINGO!!

We need a wartime President ... not someone who appears to be an enemy sympathizer. Anybody who pronounces Corps "corpse" instead of "core" has no business being CINC. (Yes - Obama actually did say that. I heard him. )
He was reading from text and obviously not thinking about the word, stupid. Can I assume in your entire long life you've never made slips of the tongue? Wow. And here you are just another insignificant message board contributor just like me, who has made so many over the years, I could do a book.

If a military coup would get him out of the White House - go for it. He's a big part of "the enemy from within."

At this point, I'm seriously wanting to get our men out of Afghanistan and let the barbarians kill themselves off. Better yet, get some pre-atomic/nuclear types of bombs, pretend it's the ETO all over again and bomb the shit out of Afghanistan from one end to the other ... only we shouldn't pay a damned thing to put the country back on it's feet again.

Sorry - I'm just angry. It's just that sometimes you have to fight fire with fire ... and this would be one of those times.

I want out of Afghanistan too. I think everyone does. Except that bin Laden would then be free to go back home and set up shop again.

Ummmmmmm....Bin Laden is still there....but no one can find him.

All intelligence points to him being somewhere in the mountainous regions bordering Pakistan and Afghanistan, but on Pakistan's turf, and being protected by the same Taliban. But there's no place like home.

 

[SFC Ollie]

W is little doubt that dissension in the ranks is a bad thing, and the General is wrong by any standards. I still have to wonder.........

Who will replace him, and are they as qualified? Remember this is Obama's hand picked General.

Then I wonder if the General was just echoing this article from last week.
(Talking about the oil leak )

Here’s what the president said last night:
“Make no mistake: We will fight this … with everything we’ve got for as long as it takes.”

Notably, that is NOT the approach the United States is taking in Afghanistan, where the president’s strategy is more like:
“Make no mistake: we will fight this with as much as we can spare, for a least another year.”

Read more: http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/06/16/afghanistan-sinking/#ixzz0rb9vgs5D

 

[Sinatra]

W is little doubt that dissension in the ranks is a bad thing, and the General is wrong by any standards. I still have to wonder.........

Who will replace him, and are they as qualified? Remember this is Obama's hand picked General.
Then I wonder if the General was just echoing this article from last week.
(Talking about the oil leak )

Here’s what the president said last night:
“Make no mistake: We will fight this … with everything we’ve got for as long as it takes.”

Notably, that is NOT the approach the United States is taking in Afghanistan, where the president’s strategy is more like:
“Make no mistake: we will fight this with as much as we can spare, for a least another year.”

Read more: http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/06/16/afghanistan-sinking/#ixzz0rb9vgs5D

____

And there you have it - this episode yet again exemplifies the chaos within the Obama White House. It lacks any cohesive strategy either at home or abroad.

Obama is failing regarding the Gulf Coast oil leak disaster.

Now it appears Afghanistan is descending into utter chaos as well.

And both issues are, for Obama, POLITICAL issues - and very critical ones at that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I said last year the BHO will fight until it is clear that Kharzai, his family, and the corrupt Afghani administration clearly demonstrate they will not change. That is what finished us in Vietnam: a government and military that fought only for their perks, not for the Vietnamese. We cannot be successful in a war where our "allies" don't give a darn about the people.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sinatra and the pond scum like him demagogue and tear America down. Thank heavens his ilk will never hold power ever again in the U.S. They simply hate America and hardworking Americans.

 

[maineman]

Nice to see you'd favor throwing a General under the bus in favor of the Hussein.

I favor following the chain of command and not showing disrespect for seniors. I guess I am not all that surprised that you would not.

McChrystal made it all the way to 4-Star (that's a subtle jab at you), he must know what he's doing and of what he speaks.

How did McChrystal not follow the chain of command? He's at the top. He IS the chain of command. If he gets fired for his comments then that just shows how thin skinned many in the Obama administration are.

If I was the President in this situation I would ask McChrystal: "Why are you giving interviews to that group of dope smoking leftists?" But Obama won't because he IS a dope smoking leftist. They hate the Military you know.

And finally, did you not study Billy Mitchell while you were in the Navy sir? Go back and refresh your memory about his "insubordination" and the positive effects it ultimately had on the Navy and Air Power in general.

You perhaps need to refresh yourself on the entire Army chain of command. McChrystal is NOT at the top... Petraeus is above him...Casey is above him... Gates is above him... Obama is above him. It is grossly unprofessional for ANY military officer to publicly criticize his seniors. Mitchell did it and was appropriately busted to colonel because of it. I think that McChrystal should lose at least a star on his way to the retired list.

 

[MaggieMae]

W is little doubt that dissension in the ranks is a bad thing, and the General is wrong by any standards. I still have to wonder.........

Who will replace him, and are they as qualified? Remember this is Obama's hand picked General.

Then I wonder if the General was just echoing this article from last week.
(Talking about the oil leak )

Here’s what the president said last night:
“Make no mistake: We will fight this … with everything we’ve got for as long as it takes.”

Notably, that is NOT the approach the United States is taking in Afghanistan, where the president’s strategy is more like:
“Make no mistake: we will fight this with as much as we can spare, for a least another year.”

Read more: http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/06/16/afghanistan-sinking/#ixzz0rb9vgs5D

McChrystal had the credentials and the counter-insurgency game plan to execute. There's nothing wrong with his qualifications. He just seems to have forgotten the military code of ethics. For all we know, the guy could be suffering from PTSD. I'm sure that doesn't just happen to grunts.

 

[MaggieMae]

W is little doubt that dissension in the ranks is a bad thing, and the General is wrong by any standards. I still have to wonder.........

Who will replace him, and are they as qualified? Remember this is Obama's hand picked General.
Then I wonder if the General was just echoing this article from last week.
(Talking about the oil leak )

Here’s what the president said last night:
“Make no mistake: We will fight this … with everything we’ve got for as long as it takes.”

Notably, that is NOT the approach the United States is taking in Afghanistan, where the president’s strategy is more like:
“Make no mistake: we will fight this with as much as we can spare, for a least another year.”

Read more: http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/06/16/afghanistan-sinking/#ixzz0rb9vgs5D

____

And there you have it - this episode yet again exemplifies the chaos within the Obama White House. It lacks any cohesive strategy either at home or abroad.

Obama is failing regarding the Gulf Coast oil leak disaster.

Now it appears Afghanistan is descending into utter chaos as well.

And both issues are, for Obama, POLITICAL issues - and very critical ones at that.

Just as Obama gets the blame for causing the oil spill, now you idiots want to blame him for failed military strategy in Afghanistan like he should actually be there leading the charge? Get real. The real irony of the Afghanistan situation is that it's the REPUBLICANS who were all in favor of the McChrystal/Patreaus strategy!! Imagine that.

 

[SFC Ollie]

W is little doubt that dissension in the ranks is a bad thing, and the General is wrong by any standards. I still have to wonder.........

Who will replace him, and are they as qualified? Remember this is Obama's hand picked General.
Then I wonder if the General was just echoing this article from last week.
(Talking about the oil leak )


Read more: http://www.lineofdeparture.com/2010/06/16/afghanistan-sinking/#ixzz0rb9vgs5D

____

And there you have it - this episode yet again exemplifies the chaos within the Obama White House. It lacks any cohesive strategy either at home or abroad.

Obama is failing regarding the Gulf Coast oil leak disaster.

Now it appears Afghanistan is descending into utter chaos as well.

And both issues are, for Obama, POLITICAL issues - and very critical ones at that.

Just as Obama gets the blame for causing the oil spill, now you idiots want to blame him for failed military strategy in Afghanistan like he should actually be there leading the charge? Get real. The real irony of the Afghanistan situation is that it's the REPUBLICANS who were all in favor of the McChrystal/Patreaus strategy!! Imagine that.

Damn Maggie, Obama is at fault for any failed strategies in Afghanistan. They are his strategies. He is the Commander in Chief, he approved the strategies, and took his sweet ass time about doing so.Talking about the oil leak, the slow Federal response is also his fault. It was Bush's fault 4 days after Katrina. today is what? Day 65?

You Obama worshipers need to wake the hell up.

 

[MaggieMae]

____

And there you have it - this episode yet again exemplifies the chaos within the Obama White House. It lacks any cohesive strategy either at home or abroad.

Obama is failing regarding the Gulf Coast oil leak disaster.

Now it appears Afghanistan is descending into utter chaos as well.

And both issues are, for Obama, POLITICAL issues - and very critical ones at that.

Just as Obama gets the blame for causing the oil spill, now you idiots want to blame him for failed military strategy in Afghanistan like he should actually be there leading the charge? Get real. The real irony of the Afghanistan situation is that it's the REPUBLICANS who were all in favor of the McChrystal/Patreaus strategy!! Imagine that.

Damn Maggie, Obama is at fault for any failed strategies in Afghanistan. They are his strategies. He is the Commander in Chief, he approved the strategies, and took his sweet ass time about doing so.Talking about the oil leak, the slow Federal response is also his fault. It was Bush's fault 4 days after Katrina. today is what? Day 65?

You Obama worshipers need to wake the hell up.

Obama (and Bush) need(ed) to accept responsibility, but the Afghanistan policy was not DESIGNED by Obama, which was my point, period.

There was NO "slow" federal response to the oil spill. The "response" played out according to the real-time information from the ground (or the sea) that was being received. "The government" was not equipped to go racing off down to the Gulf of Mexico, peer into the ocean's depths and announce what was happening and how it would be dealt with. They relied on the best information they had from <gasp> private entities, i.e., BP, Halliburton, and Oceanic.

 

[JakeStarkey]

____

And there you have it - this episode yet again exemplifies the chaos within the Obama White House. It lacks any cohesive strategy either at home or abroad.

Obama is failing regarding the Gulf Coast oil leak disaster.

Now it appears Afghanistan is descending into utter chaos as well.

And both issues are, for Obama, POLITICAL issues - and very critical ones at that.

Just as Obama gets the blame for causing the oil spill, now you idiots want to blame him for failed military strategy in Afghanistan like he should actually be there leading the charge? Get real. The real irony of the Afghanistan situation is that it's the REPUBLICANS who were all in favor of the McChrystal/Patreaus strategy!! Imagine that.

Damn Maggie, Obama is at fault for any failed strategies in Afghanistan. They are his strategies. He is the Commander in Chief, he approved the strategies, and took his sweet ass time about doing so.Talking about the oil leak, the slow Federal response is also his fault. It was Bush's fault 4 days after Katrina. today is what? Day 65?

You Obama worshipers need to wake the hell up.

Day 65 and $20 billion: context is important. If it had been the corporationists in charge, it would be Day 65 and the federal government promising to compensate BP.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

I feel McCrystal should resign for his comments about the president.

If he doesn't resign I feel Obama should fire him.

I have too much respect for our system to be able to support a sitting general to speak as he did about the commander in chief.


Now before people start freaking out let me finish my opinion below.

I totally agree with what McCrystal said and I'm glad he said it. In my opinion he should have resigned first and then spoke out in the manner that he did. I wish he chose that route but he didn't.

 

[Toome]

What an idiot.

I hope Obama fires him immediately but knowing him, he'll give him some latitude and a chance to redeem himself.

Firing him with a lot of public humiliation would be too good for the guy. These arrogant generals need to shut up and do their work.

I am certain that to you, this sounds like a good idea. However, what is being overlooked is why a decorated combat veteran who specializes in very unique warfare would have a rift with the civilian leadership. It's too easy to dismiss the general as being insubordinate but tougher to look at the substance of his comments.

Generals tend to look out for their troops. While I agree that this is probably not the best way to go about, it still remains that if the emperor has no clothes on, then someone has to call it.

By the way, I think Obama will either fire McChrystal or give McChrystal the opportunity to retire. Obama has shown on many previous occasions that he's thin-skinned when it comes to criticism.