Military Families on Food Stamps—Fucking Ridiculous.

[candycorn]

Shameful that this is allowed to happen…ever…regardless of politics.

Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance Ending In September

Not sure what is more distressing….the fact that the program has ended or that there was a program in the first place.

It's been that way for at least a century or more. This predates welfare programs and goes back to the community led programs of yore. At one time, Enlisted Men under certain rank were forbidden to be married and have children. If they wanted to get married, they had to leave the service. Many did. Even a regular Cowboy got paid 30 a month and found while the Troops were being paid 13 and found. And nothing has ever been done about it.

If it's been this way for at least a century or more....are you saying this is Trump's fault now???

Yes, it is. Each and every President that sits in that chair must accept that responsibility. But none do. If you blame one, you must blame them all. Sorry, no free passes. From the day Rump too that chair, it became his fault. His failure to attend to it makes it his fault. No free rides.

Bull Shit.
The problem with your stupid argument is your selective-outrage.
There was a time that you had to be at least an E4 or above to get married.
No family can live off of the pay of a Private.
So if Trump changes that policy you folks will start screaming that he's being mean to the poor.

The problem with you is you cannot read fuck face

 

[candycorn]

Perhaps they should make a little more since they are volunteering to fight for our freedom?

Can't. Where would you get the money to pay them more?

Cut social security? Cut welfare and food stamps? Cut medicare?

The amount of money is not unlimited. Something has to be cut, in order for something else to pay more.

Raise taxes.

 

[bodecea]

Why we should have private militias. It’s the only way to fix America..

Nope...they do what they want....I remember well having contract people working on our aircraft....while high. No real accountability.

 

[harmonica]

Shameful that this is allowed to happen…ever…regardless of politics.

Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance Ending In September

Not sure what is more distressing….the fact that the program has ended or that there was a program in the first place.

It's been that way for at least a century or more. This predates welfare programs and goes back to the community led programs of yore. At one time, Enlisted Men under certain rank were forbidden to be married and have children. If they wanted to get married, they had to leave the service. Many did. Even a regular Cowboy got paid 30 a month and found while the Troops were being paid 13 and found. And nothing has ever been done about it.

If it's been this way for at least a century or more....are you saying this is Trump's fault now???

Yes, it is. Each and every President that sits in that chair must accept that responsibility. But none do. If you blame one, you must blame them all. Sorry, no free passes. From the day Rump too that chair, it became his fault. His failure to attend to it makes it his fault. No free rides.

Bull Shit.
The problem with your stupid argument is your selective-outrage.
There was a time that you had to be at least an E4 or above to get married.
No family can live off of the pay of a Private.
So if Trump changes that policy you folks will start screaming that he's being mean to the poor.

The problem with you is you cannot read fuck face

you sure have a lot of facts in your replies

 

[candycorn]

It's been that way for at least a century or more. This predates welfare programs and goes back to the community led programs of yore. At one time, Enlisted Men under certain rank were forbidden to be married and have children. If they wanted to get married, they had to leave the service. Many did. Even a regular Cowboy got paid 30 a month and found while the Troops were being paid 13 and found. And nothing has ever been done about it.

If it's been this way for at least a century or more....are you saying this is Trump's fault now???

Yes, it is. Each and every President that sits in that chair must accept that responsibility. But none do. If you blame one, you must blame them all. Sorry, no free passes. From the day Rump too that chair, it became his fault. His failure to attend to it makes it his fault. No free rides.

Bull Shit.
The problem with your stupid argument is your selective-outrage.
There was a time that you had to be at least an E4 or above to get married.
No family can live off of the pay of a Private.
So if Trump changes that policy you folks will start screaming that he's being mean to the poor.

The problem with you is you cannot read fuck face

you sure have a lot of facts in your replies

Thanks

 

[anotherlife]

Why is this ridiculous? Most of the time in history, hired military didn't get paid, especially when they were employed by a government.

 

[Jitss617]

Why we should have private militias. It’s the only way to fix America..

Nope...they do what they want....I remember well having contract people working on our aircraft....while high. No real accountability.

You mean you couldn’t control them.. Maybe America isn’t the best place for you

 

[Picaro]

When you spend money on bennies designed to attract 'Volunteers', that means money will be shifted from other accounts. You want free college n stuff? Increased pay?Then you get smaller and fewer support services, like reduced base housing and no free mess halls, that sort of thing.

 

[pismoe]

Shameful that this is allowed to happen…ever…regardless of politics.

Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance Ending In September

Not sure what is more distressing….the fact that the program has ended or that there was a program in the first place.

It's been that way for at least a century or more. This predates welfare programs and goes back to the community led programs of yore. At one time, Enlisted Men under certain rank were forbidden to be married and have children. If they wanted to get married, they had to leave the service. Many did. Even a regular Cowboy got paid 30 a month and found while the Troops were being paid 13 and found. And nothing has ever been done about it.

If it's been this way for at least a century or more....are you saying this is Trump's fault now???

Yes, it is. Each and every President that sits in that chair must accept that responsibility. But none do. If you blame one, you must blame them all. Sorry, no free passes. From the day Rump too that chair, it became his fault. His failure to attend to it makes it his fault. No free rides.

Bull Shit.
The problem with your stupid argument is your selective-outrage.
There was a time that you had to be at least an E4 or above to get married.
No family can live off of the pay of a Private.
So if Trump changes that policy you folks will start screaming that he's being mean to the poor.

He's already got it in for the Poor. There just isn't enough poor for him and he wants to make more.

----------------------------------------------------- we have the BEST country on the face of Gods Good Green Earth . Even the USA Poor are richer than the large portion of the worlds population . Let these young millennial soldier volunteers learn some responsibility and how to make responsible choice with their money Daryl .

 

[harmonica]

It's been that way for at least a century or more. This predates welfare programs and goes back to the community led programs of yore. At one time, Enlisted Men under certain rank were forbidden to be married and have children. If they wanted to get married, they had to leave the service. Many did. Even a regular Cowboy got paid 30 a month and found while the Troops were being paid 13 and found. And nothing has ever been done about it.

If it's been this way for at least a century or more....are you saying this is Trump's fault now???

Yes, it is. Each and every President that sits in that chair must accept that responsibility. But none do. If you blame one, you must blame them all. Sorry, no free passes. From the day Rump too that chair, it became his fault. His failure to attend to it makes it his fault. No free rides.

Bull Shit.
The problem with your stupid argument is your selective-outrage.
There was a time that you had to be at least an E4 or above to get married.
No family can live off of the pay of a Private.
So if Trump changes that policy you folks will start screaming that he's being mean to the poor.

He's already got it in for the Poor. There just isn't enough poor for him and he wants to make more.

----------------------------------------------------- we have the BEST country on the face of Gods Good Green Earth . Even the USA Poor are richer than the large portion of the worlds population . Let these young millennial soldier volunteers learn some responsibility and how to make responsible choice with their money Daryl .

...a lot of the married Marines I knew got divorced..some remarried 2 times--''soon''
....they made bad choices....they are really kids at 18 years old and get married..... not knowing anything about life, they just don't think about the future, finances,etc

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Shameful that this is allowed to happen…ever…regardless of politics.

Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance Ending In September

Not sure what is more distressing….the fact that the program has ended or that there was a program in the first place.

It's been that way for at least a century or more. This predates welfare programs and goes back to the community led programs of yore. At one time, Enlisted Men under certain rank were forbidden to be married and have children. If they wanted to get married, they had to leave the service. Many did. Even a regular Cowboy got paid 30 a month and found while the Troops were being paid 13 and found. And nothing has ever been done about it.

"and found"? WTF does that mean? Is English a secondary language for you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Perhaps they should make a little more since they are volunteering to fight for our freedom?

they get free medical and housing--big $$$$$$ there
I was single in the service--but the married members get free food on base--yes?

No.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Shameful that this is allowed to happen…ever…regardless of politics.

Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance Ending In September

Not sure what is more distressing….the fact that the program has ended or that there was a program in the first place.

you really are an '''ignorant fuck'''
did you even read your own link ????
1.

fewer than 300 people qualify for FSSA worldwide. A 2010 DOD report showed that an E-4 with over 3 years service must have 7 members in their family at Ft. Bragg, or 9 in their family in San Diego to qualify for the program.

there are over a MILLION active duty personnel in the military!!!!!
--and only 300 qualify for the program
2. it's not food stamps
3. the number of kids is the main determinant for getting it
4. they VOLUNTEER --they know or should know how much they are going to get paid
it's not the military's job to pay for you to have a family !!!!!!!

these IDIOTS like you don't think.....it's basic 4th grade math = you take your pay minus expenses ...if you can't afford kids, you shouldn't have them--just like the civilians

...this is one of the major problems in the US--''kids'' having kids when they are not financially and/or mentally ready

my niece had not 1---not 2---not 3--but FOUR kids--with 2 different dads who
both are not staying with her....and only one pays support ..now she gets all kinds of government help --and she can't raise FOUR kids properly by herself

I think we should pay the military men and women enough to where the DoD doesn’t create a program to make up the shortfall.

I love the military women and men.
Why do you hate them?

Every one of you are forgetting that the military has dependency rules for this reason. A new recruit joining the Army can have a wife and two kids. Any more than that requires a waiver.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Shameful that this is allowed to happen…ever…regardless of politics.

Family Subsistence Supplemental Allowance Ending In September

Not sure what is more distressing….the fact that the program has ended or that there was a program in the first place.

Been that way ever since I was in...in the 70s.

Disgraceful that this is still an issue….

just like in the civilian world = people making the wrong choices

Unlike in the civilian world, spouses often can’t find long-term employment because their service-member spouse may be re-assigned at any time and they have to uproot the family and move with them.
So it’s a false comparison you’re making yet again

I suggest closing bases in Germany we really don't need them. The Dependent living off base could just return to the states and buy a home. The gov would save and the housing mkt would go up.

Dependents don't live off base overseas in most cases.

Ever try to buy a house very 3-4 years and sell it when you transfer? Until you reach the senior enlisted or officer ranks do most military personnel ever buy a house.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There's a rather large and growing demograph of foreign nationals being recruited to enlist as a path to citizenship. Heck, there's been a lot of instances where gangs were operating from within. And we're training them to be proper killers. Weapons are being stolen and all sorts of stuff like that.

That said, we have over 900 bases, closer to a thousand bases, all over the world. And not a darned declaration of war one. It's a big ol ponzi. lol. And the printing press over at the Fed keeps rolling, supporting both the welfare and the warfare.

Economically speaking, military personnel are basically the new bourgeoisie. Us poplating the severely exploited proletariat get to pay the bil, plus interest, on that Treasury bond (our nations debt) that the Federal reserve bought from a bank with a check that was drawn on an account that had nothing in it.

Personally, I don't understand all of the hero worship. They're not fighting for your freedoms. Every time somebody starts conflict, we lose more freedoms. Not to speak of dignity.

See? Look....

The only freedoms they're fighting for are those of ExxonMobil and British Petroleum. They're the military occupation which always proceeds the economic occupation of other nations.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Disgraceful that this is still an issue….

just like in the civilian world = people making the wrong choices

Unlike in the civilian world, spouses often can’t find long-term employment because their service-member spouse may be re-assigned at any time and they have to uproot the family and move with them.
So it’s a false comparison you’re making yet again

I suggest closing bases in Germany we really don't need them. The Dependent living off base could just return to the states and buy a home. The gov would save and the housing mkt would go up.

I suggest paying the military families enough to avoid public assistance since, you know, they are volunteering to die for sorry pieces of shit like Trump and his supporters and the other sorry pieces of shit who didn’t pay them enough—Democrat and Republican alike.

.....actually they are making more for unskilled labor than a lot of just graduated/graduated college students
again--if you are not married, you have NO expenses
.....I didn't own a car for my first four years in..so, even if you got a car, you have NO other expenses

..let's look at North Carolina where I was stationed:
rental average is about $10,000 per year added to the salary
again--$10,000
health insurance--another $1000
food/utilities/etc
college grads - $33,000
College Grads Annual Salary in North Carolina ($33,172 Avg | Aug 2019) - ZipRecruiter

I didn't even ad vision and dental!
PFC makes about

PFC pay is $1,931.10 to $2,176.80 per month, or $23,173.20 to 26,121.60 per year. In addition to base pay, an E-3 receives a housing allowance based on status as single or with dependents and adjusted for the cost of living by zip code of the duty station. All active duty military personnel receive medical, dental and vision benefits. An E-3 who receives regular promotions can have a military career or 20 years or more. After 20 years on active duty, a soldier is eligible for retirement and a military pension.

that can be at 38 years= old retirement !!
this is a PFC--one of the lowest ranking and lowest paid
What Is the Base Pay for a Private First Class in the Army?

there--FACTS--not bullshit

That would be 37 years old, not 38. I joined when I was 17 as did many of my friends.

Why do you list a range for the pay? It is a set amount. Your figure of $23173.20 is correct. Unless of course the person does not advance in the next two years, at which point they will be thrown out shortly thereafter.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Been that way ever since I was in...in the 70s.

Disgraceful that this is still an issue….

just like in the civilian world = people making the wrong choices

Unlike in the civilian world, spouses often can’t find long-term employment because their service-member spouse may be re-assigned at any time and they have to uproot the family and move with them.
So it’s a false comparison you’re making yet again

I suggest closing bases in Germany we really don't need them. The Dependent living off base could just return to the states and buy a home. The gov would save and the housing mkt would go up.

this is a TRIPLE win for the US/military
...the US gvt [ taxpayers ] are paying mucho $$ to foreign countries for bases/maintenance/etc
...paying FOREIGNERS our tax $$$$ for them to have jobs
..the US service personnel spend a lot of their $$$$ in those countries
..bring most of that here and guess what????!!!! = all that $$$$ is spent in the US--creating more jobs for Americans---etc== OUR $$$ spent in the US--not a foreign country
etc etc

How many of our troops will die needlessly because we had to fly them all the way back home for medical care?

You do realize that those troops in Germany also deploy to those garden spots of the world known as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Which of those bases do you think are unnecessary and should be closed. especially since the military does it very often? Ever hear of the BRAC Commission?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

She is a he..

A lawyer

They should be disbarred in that case for mental incompetence on most topics.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why we should have private militias. It’s the only way to fix America..

Nope...they do what they want....I remember well having contract people working on our aircraft....while high. No real accountability.

You remembered that while you were high?

Congrats!

Pay attention to what you say and how you say it!

 

[Picaro]

We don't have 'a thousand bases'. Some pol hack said that years ago, and it was a lie then just as it is now. We in fact need more real bases than we have now overseas, and a couple more carrier divisions as well. We've closed several major bases since !980's.

Base Realignment and Closure - Wikipedia

Calling Worms, with one civilian employee, a 'base', for instance, certainly does raise the 'WOW' factor, though.

"The 2015 U.S. Base Structure Report gives 587 overseas sites, but sites are merely real property at a distinct geographical location, and multiple sites may belong to one installation (page DoD-3). For example, the Garmisch, Germany "named base" with its 72 personnel has eight distinct sites large enough to be listed in the Army's Individual Service Inventory list: Artillery Kaserne, Breitenau Skeet Range, Garmisch Family Housing, Garmish Golf Course, General Abrams Hotel And Disp, Hausberg Ski Area, Oberammergau NATO School, and Sheridan Barracks (listed in Army-15 to Army-17). These range in size from Ramstein AB with 9,188 active, guard/reserve, and civilian personnel down to Worms, which has just one civilian."

List of United States military bases - Wikipedia