Toronado3800
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The child of a meth addict was tested at clinic where my wife works. The woman has 7 kids and all of them have varying degrees of mental and physical problems. The child tested at the clinic had a profound hearing loss in addition to being developmentally delayed. The woman has been in and out of drug treatment centers for at least 10 years. She has lost custody of the kids at this point, but that hardly solves anything. This woman and her kids will most likely be burdens on society and other people for there entire lives. Maybe a miracle will happen and they will all be fine but that is not the likely outcome. My question for debate is "What should our health care or legal system have done differently with this woman?" More aggressive drug abuse treatment? Cut off her welfare? Put her in a mental hospital? Put her in prison? Tie her tubes? Nothing? Something else?
I assume the treatment centers tried to help her, but that didn't work, obviously. Consider the human cost and millions of dollars in treatment and therapy this family will consume during their lifetimes. It's almost mind boggling what a bottomless pit of despair this woman has created. IMO after child number 2, her tubes should have been tied along with more aggressive drug treatment. In other words "either stay clean or go to prison". I don't see any other way to limit the damage. What would you do here? This is a tragedy and I'm sure there are women like her in every city.
She lost welfare, more than likely, after she lost her kids. She should have been sterilized after the first one.
Right now the mantra is not to lock these people up. There is no aggressive treatment. I don't care what you do or how much you do or how much you care there has to be desire to get clean and stay clean. If that doesn't exist then there is nothing that can be done until that individual finds it--and that is only if that individual had no other psychiatric needs. We don't know that. Treatment centers provide tools but they can't do that work for them and that is an inside thing.
There were the same issues when there was a crack epidemic. Then there was a study that said the "damage" done to the children was inconclusive. The rest of the world was like, how do you not see this? You could find a mom w/ 12 kids.
I see your point. But man, sterilization clinics ran by big government are a step further than I am willing to go.
Pay them to get sterilized. $300
What government agency would you like to put in charge of this?
Ever seen this?
Project Prevention - Children Requiring a Caring Community
Now she goes cross country.
Woman traveling country paying drug addicts to get vasectomies, tubes tied
Here is one that was back in '99
Cash-for-Sterilization Plan Draws Addicts and Critics
The second one I was familiar with or at least saw a snippet on tv about a similar thing.
I'll say if anyone voluntarily wants to get their tubs tied or whatever god bless them. I'll also say Idiocracy, Failure to Launch and Wallee all have large amounts of truth to them so I understand the motivation of deciding who should get their tubes tied.
Following is a trick question of sorts....maybe a loaded question.
In your opinion should the government have an agency of tube tying? If not Washington, maybe at the state or local level? Maybe under the State Department of Corrections where jails tie tubes?