Mental health stigma

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    It's one thing if a certified mental illness professional says so-and-so shouldn't have a gun but it's another if an effing bureaucrat does it. The fact that an individual needs help filling out a form is not a guarantor of mental illness. Seems to me the individual should have the right to dispute the finding in a court of law before his/her 2nd amendment rights are suspended. And I might add that if the individual is pronounced cured or at least functional in society then those suspended rights ought to be lifted.

    The whole area of mental illness is a complex and difficult one to deal with. We do need to remove the stigma over it, but the problem is that we seem to have too many people who need help and won't seek it out merely because they don't think they have a problem. So how do you get a person who needs treatment to get it if they don't want it? Chances are in many cases treatment would be ineffective anyway if the person doesn't recognize they have a problem. And who decides whether a person should be forced to get help until and unless they've done something to warrant it. Are we going to lock people up involuntarily? Not sure we can or should do that unless one of those certified mental illness professionals say it's necessary.
     
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    Legally in order to be denied your rights a JUDGE must rule that you are incompetent. any other attempt to remove rights is illegal and unconstitutional.
     
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    " Under federal law, veterans who have been assigned fiduciaries — people who manage their finances — can be deemed mentally incompetent. Backers of the Veterans 2nd Amendment Protection Act say that the law has been applied too broadly against veterans who remain fit to carry a firearm. "

    A congressional bill could allow veterans deemed mentally incompetent to own guns

    That bill passed in the House but died in the Senate last year (2017). Here's what it says

    " (Sec. 2) This bill prohibits, in any case arising out of the administration of laws and benefits by the Department of Veterans Affairs, any person who is mentally incapacitated, deemed mentally incompetent, or experiencing an extended loss of consciousness from being considered adjudicated as a mental defective for purposes of the right to receive or transport firearms without the order or finding of a judicial authority of competent jurisdiction that such person is a danger to himself or herself or others. "

    It may well be that such persons ought not to be in possession of a firearm, but maybe not all of them. The decision over who is mentally incapacitated or incompetent ought not to be made by some nameless and faceless bureaucrat, and every American citizen ought to have his/her day in court to defend their rights BEFORE they are taken away. And we need to be careful not to abrogate somebody's constitutional rights without due process and not because some bureaucrat decides to do so. And not just the 2nd Amendment rights either, we need to zealously guard those rights or we could lose them.
     
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    That law would have been unconstitutional on its face and challenged in court.
     
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    On p. 7 of the report, readers may click on "Tennessee facility."

    The Badger Herald article can be retrieved. It states, "If someone in your family has died from suicide, then you're about six times more likely to die from suicide yourself. It emanates across generations."
     
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    Problems with gender identiy is a huge mental problem that we are told is non existent..
     
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    Gender identity crises are real. Look no further than youth (assumed by most to be adolescents), though in the report we posted, the authorities want to go back to childhood to look for causes, which is suspicious.
     
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    Mental health is interesting. Recently, the DSM was expanded greatly, to creat mental health names and charge codes to many things that previously were classified as simple bad behavior.

    This will allow mental health workers to greatly expand their businesses and insurance companies to derive new revenue sources for mental health treatments.

    Once the money is there, the level of respect wil be equal for mental health.
     

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