Medicaid, and they think this is going to work.

Navy1960

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As the state seeks ways to trim Medicaid, an increasing number of doctors frustrated with reimbursements are opting not to see new Medicaid patients. As a result, Medicaid patients often grow sicker while hunting for a doctor.

"The inability to find a Medicaid doctor drives up the cost for everyone because they then frequent the emergency room," Lewis said.

Dallas ranks last among 15 major cities in the percentage of physicians accepting Medicaid, according to a study by Merritt Hawkins & Associates, an Irving-based health care consulting and recruiting company.

In that study, 1,162 medical offices were surveyed between September 2008 and March. Dallas had a Medicaid acceptance rate of 38.6 percent, compared with the national average of 55 percent

Medicaid patients have trouble finding doctors in Dallas area | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Dallas Business News

Giving someone an insurance card and telling them they are insured is one thing, having a place to use it is another. The current bill set to pass in the Senate aims to use Medicaid as the primary instrument to achieve it's goal of insuring many of those so called 47 million uninsured. When those uninsured get those Medicaid cards, I highly doubt that they will consider it reform by any stretch of the imagination.

In Oregon , 14 hospitals, four clinics and two health departments in rural areas are short a total of 70 physicians, according to the Office of Rural Health at Oregon Health & Science University.

Throughout the country, at least 1,500 positions for rural doctors are vacant, according to the Madison, Wis.-based Rural Recruitment and Retention Network.

“The people that have insurance live in cities,” said Roger Piepenbrink, a Navy-trained internist at Pioneer Memorial, who now is the town’s only such doctor.

“It’s hard to make a living off subsidized medicine,” he said. “You can make your overhead, but you can’t pay yourself.”
Doctor shortage takes toll in rural areas

If you have ever been to a DMV office on a busy day in a large metro area then you will get some idea of the Senate's vision of healthcare reform using the Medicaid model.
 
you can't tell a demoncwat a damned thing. They know it all. And, they know it better than anybody else does. Sit down and shut up. You are irrelevant.
 
What if the states open up Medicaid as a public option? Let folks buy in...

:eusa_think:

If nothing else, our children will have 50 programs to look at the success / failure statistics on...
 
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Willow, I'm very much involved in the campaign for the Arizona Healthcare Freedom Act. which will strip out the mandate portion of the bill currently being passed by congress here in my state. What it will do is launch a court battle that will settle this matter once and for all. The bill being considered will eventually lead to cuts in Doctors payments by up to 21% according to the CBO, so do you think, that with those cuts and with the current number and dropping of Doctors that are NOT accepting Medicaid that this bill is healthcare reform? Frankly, there are going to be many very disappointed people and many angry people here very soon, especially when the tax increase starts in a couple of weeks, I wonder what all those Union members are going to think about that so called Obama tax pledge when their taxes go up in two weeks because they are paying a tax on their healthcare plans.
 
What if the states open up Medicaid as a public option? Let folks buy in...

:eusa_think:

If nothing else, our children will have 50 programs to look at the success / failure statistics on...

Joe, no offense but Medicaid is a terrible program and if any program should be opened up for people to buy into and I've long advocated this thats Medicare. Personally, what I believe is that people should be allowed to buy into Medicare as a catastrophic option and anyone that wishes to have converage for Doctors visits and on-going care can seek that in a market based, regulated private insurance market. If for example that market insurance that offered a plan just for Docotrs visit and sold like any person can buy a TV or washer from any state then in my opinion you actually have something. You want to make it stronger, that easy too, seed Medicare with whats left over in TARP and the Stimulus at the very least that money will actually go to help Americans for a change rather than people it's not.
 
Willow, I'm very much involved in the campaign for the Arizona Healthcare Freedom Act. which will strip out the mandate portion of the bill currently being passed by congress here in my state. What it will do is launch a court battle that will settle this matter once and for all. The bill being considered will eventually lead to cuts in Doctors payments by up to 21% according to the CBO, so do you think, that with those cuts and with the current number and dropping of Doctors that are NOT accepting Medicaid that this bill is healthcare reform? Frankly, there are going to be many very disappointed people and many angry people here very soon, especially when the tax increase starts in a couple of weeks, I wonder what all those Union members are going to think about that so called Obama tax pledge when their taxes go up in two weeks because they are paying a tax on their healthcare plans.

Navy,, I happen to be in total agreement with you on this. I was being sarcastic. However, it looks to me like the democrats are gonna do what they are gonna do and they don't give a shit what the Republicans or a 57% majority of the American people think. (polls). There are two words in the democrats vocabulary regarding this matter and they are "Fuck You" So, yes, I do know. I just don't know what can be done about it.
 
The growing number of physicians who do not accept new Medicaid beneficiaries because of costs "is a large, little-discussed hurdle to some ambitious efforts to broaden health care coverage," the Wall Street Journal reports. According to the Journal, many state Medicaid programs, "straining under surging costs, are balancing their budgets by freezing or reducing payments to doctors," resulting in physicians -- particularly specialists -
Growing Number Of Physicians Not Accepting New Medicaid Beneficiaries Amid Federal Payment Cuts, Rising Health Costs

Medicaid is NOT the method by wich anyone should ever try reform healthcare, and to think that by giving people a Medicaid card they are suddenly going to have access to quality healthcare they are in for a very big surprise.
 
Willow, I'm very much involved in the campaign for the Arizona Healthcare Freedom Act. which will strip out the mandate portion of the bill currently being passed by congress here in my state. What it will do is launch a court battle that will settle this matter once and for all. The bill being considered will eventually lead to cuts in Doctors payments by up to 21% according to the CBO, so do you think, that with those cuts and with the current number and dropping of Doctors that are NOT accepting Medicaid that this bill is healthcare reform? Frankly, there are going to be many very disappointed people and many angry people here very soon, especially when the tax increase starts in a couple of weeks, I wonder what all those Union members are going to think about that so called Obama tax pledge when their taxes go up in two weeks because they are paying a tax on their healthcare plans.

Navy,, I happen to be in total agreement with you on this. I was being sarcastic. However, it looks to me like the democrats are gonna do what they are gonna do and they don't give a shit what the Republicans or a 57% majority of the American people think. (polls). There are two words in the democrats vocabulary regarding this matter and they are "Fuck You" So, yes, I do know. I just don't know what can be done about it.

You asked what can be done about it Willow, here...

The Health Care Freedom Act will ensure Arizona residents may pay directly for any legal health services and choose not to participate in a government or privately run health care system.

“Protecting the rights of individuals to be in control of their health and health care must be a fundamental component of health care reform, so the Arizona legislature is to be congratulated for giving all Arizonans the opportunity to make certain our voices are heard,” said Dr. Eric Novack, Chairman, Arizonans for Health Care Freedom.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Nancy Barto, will be placed on the ballot as a referendum.

The Healthcare Freedom Bill provides for two fundamental rights:

1. The right to spend your own money to seek out and receive health care services that are otherwise legal.
2. The right to choose NOT to participate in any health care system, of any type.
Arizona Health Care Freedom Act (H.C.R. 2014)


What this will do is set up a fight in court between the Fed. and the state. There are several states considering legislation like this. Without the mandates, which in my mind are the WORST part of the bill because for the first time in this nations history we have set as a condition of citizenship that people must purchase a service from a private entity or be punished. The current bill is riddled with questionable constitutional issues and this is the biggest one.
 
The growing number of physicians who do not accept new Medicaid beneficiaries because of costs "is a large, little-discussed hurdle to some ambitious efforts to broaden health care coverage," the Wall Street Journal reports. According to the Journal, many state Medicaid programs, "straining under surging costs, are balancing their budgets by freezing or reducing payments to doctors," resulting in physicians -- particularly specialists -
Growing Number Of Physicians Not Accepting New Medicaid Beneficiaries Amid Federal Payment Cuts, Rising Health Costs

Medicaid is NOT the method by wich anyone should ever try reform healthcare, and to think that by giving people a Medicaid card they are suddenly going to have access to quality healthcare they are in for a very big surprise.

There is an existing Physician shortage now. What do the democwats think will happen when they cut the Doctors pay rate and then drop 30 million new patients into the system? Like I said. Democrats know every goddamn thing. One of them will be along shortly to explain it to us..
 
Willow, I'm very much involved in the campaign for the Arizona Healthcare Freedom Act. which will strip out the mandate portion of the bill currently being passed by congress here in my state. What it will do is launch a court battle that will settle this matter once and for all. The bill being considered will eventually lead to cuts in Doctors payments by up to 21% according to the CBO, so do you think, that with those cuts and with the current number and dropping of Doctors that are NOT accepting Medicaid that this bill is healthcare reform? Frankly, there are going to be many very disappointed people and many angry people here very soon, especially when the tax increase starts in a couple of weeks, I wonder what all those Union members are going to think about that so called Obama tax pledge when their taxes go up in two weeks because they are paying a tax on their healthcare plans.

Navy,, I happen to be in total agreement with you on this. I was being sarcastic. However, it looks to me like the democrats are gonna do what they are gonna do and they don't give a shit what the Republicans or a 57% majority of the American people think. (polls). There are two words in the democrats vocabulary regarding this matter and they are "Fuck You" So, yes, I do know. I just don't know what can be done about it.

You asked what can be done about it Willow, here...

The Health Care Freedom Act will ensure Arizona residents may pay directly for any legal health services and choose not to participate in a government or privately run health care system.

“Protecting the rights of individuals to be in control of their health and health care must be a fundamental component of health care reform, so the Arizona legislature is to be congratulated for giving all Arizonans the opportunity to make certain our voices are heard,” said Dr. Eric Novack, Chairman, Arizonans for Health Care Freedom.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Nancy Barto, will be placed on the ballot as a referendum.

The Healthcare Freedom Bill provides for two fundamental rights:

1. The right to spend your own money to seek out and receive health care services that are otherwise legal.
2. The right to choose NOT to participate in any health care system, of any type.
Arizona Health Care Freedom Act (H.C.R. 2014)


What this will do is set up a fight in court between the Fed. and the state. There are several states considering legislation like this. Without the mandates, which in my mind are the WORST part of the bill because for the first time in this nations history we have set as a condition of citizenship that people must purchase a service from a private entity or be punished. The current bill is riddled with questionable constitutional issues and this is the biggest one.




In the meantime is the state going to hold your Federal Income tax in escrow or will you continue paying Nebraska's bills?
 
Navy,, I happen to be in total agreement with you on this. I was being sarcastic. However, it looks to me like the democrats are gonna do what they are gonna do and they don't give a shit what the Republicans or a 57% majority of the American people think. (polls). There are two words in the democrats vocabulary regarding this matter and they are "Fuck You" So, yes, I do know. I just don't know what can be done about it.

You asked what can be done about it Willow, here...

The Health Care Freedom Act will ensure Arizona residents may pay directly for any legal health services and choose not to participate in a government or privately run health care system.

“Protecting the rights of individuals to be in control of their health and health care must be a fundamental component of health care reform, so the Arizona legislature is to be congratulated for giving all Arizonans the opportunity to make certain our voices are heard,” said Dr. Eric Novack, Chairman, Arizonans for Health Care Freedom.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Nancy Barto, will be placed on the ballot as a referendum.

The Healthcare Freedom Bill provides for two fundamental rights:

1. The right to spend your own money to seek out and receive health care services that are otherwise legal.
2. The right to choose NOT to participate in any health care system, of any type.
Arizona Health Care Freedom Act (H.C.R. 2014)


What this will do is set up a fight in court between the Fed. and the state. There are several states considering legislation like this. Without the mandates, which in my mind are the WORST part of the bill because for the first time in this nations history we have set as a condition of citizenship that people must purchase a service from a private entity or be punished. The current bill is riddled with questionable constitutional issues and this is the biggest one.




In the meantime is the state going to hold your Federal Income tax in escrow or will you continue paying Nebraska's bills?

Now your starting to see the REAL intent of the bill. Those collected taxes you will never see again once collected. Speaking of these little sweetheart deals, those are going to be it's eventual downfall in court as well.
 
Have you seen this exchange?



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What if the states open up Medicaid as a public option? Let folks buy in...

:eusa_think:

If nothing else, our children will have 50 programs to look at the success / failure statistics on...

In the part of the country that I live in, many doctors are now beginning to not take any new Medicaid or Medicare patients because the government hasn't paid them in over 6 months. I don't think this would be a real popular option for the doctors...
 
What if the states open up Medicaid as a public option? Let folks buy in...

:eusa_think:

If nothing else, our children will have 50 programs to look at the success / failure statistics on...

In the part of the country that I live in, many doctors are now beginning to not take any new Medicaid or Medicare patients because the government hasn't paid them in over 6 months. I don't think this would be a real popular option for the doctors...

The problem is BBD, is that is the exact program where this current bill plans to send the vast majority of the low income uninsured. That 31 million that the CBO says will be convered under this bill almost all of that is reflected in adding to Medicaid. The other issue that seems to be lost in all this is through mandates people are being REQUIRED to purcahse from those same insurance companies that many have been making out to be the villans for the last several months with little reforms of the insurance companies themselves. As I indicated in my original post, because someone has a healthcare insurance card does not mean they actually have a place to use it, and no place is this more true than Medicaid.
 
The dems are killing the US healthcare system. Maybe Obama's plan is to import witch-doctors to fill the void? Let the nurses and physicians assistants see the patients instead of doctors?! Can you imagine the malpractice suits?
 
Notice you don't hear very much noise from the trial lawyers, if I were a trial lawyer, I'd be very happy with a system that puts people into a system like that with no limitations on my ability to bring suit for any reason.
 
Never understood why they don't teach a class in school about the simple fact of any socialist model is that this is the one fact that is inherent - it is unsustainable.
And you can FORGET about quality.
 

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