Marx in a nutshell

Marx had an interesting analysis of history, but when he attempted to project forward he got it ALL wrong. Countless millions have died as a result.
What are you talking about? How many died in the conversion from feudalism to liberal democracy/capitalism?
 
Marx had an interesting analysis of history, but when he attempted to project forward he got it ALL wrong. Countless millions have died as a result.

You can't blame Marx for the atrocities of Communist governments any more than you can blame Nietzsche for the atrocities of the Nazis.
Agreed, marx was a philosopher and economist who examined the newly emerging system known as capitalism and formed a valid critique that can be applied today, Lenin helped expand on this with his writings, same with Mao/stalin, although their works in relation to marxism have nothing to do with the crimes they commited due to paranoia/etc.. Lenin wrote about imperialism behind a newer stage of capitalism, which is entirely valid considering the rampant exploitation of the third world/colonialism/etc..
 
Does anyone agree that today's capitalism is laissez-faire neoliberalism?

Does anyone agree that today's China is the most capitalist country in the world?
 
Does anyone agree that today's capitalism is laissez-faire neoliberalism?

Does anyone agree that today's China is the most capitalist country in the world?

All the rhetoric from conservatives about capitalism being ''free market'' laissez-faire economics is due to the lack of public understanding on the economy. Free market simply means that big business gets to write the rules that allows them to eliminate any competition from small business. The problem here is the Chinese government is one hell of a big business. This corporate giant – the Chinese government – has the ability to meet demand at a lower cost.

Americans bought into the idea that lower cost would increase their money supply resulting in higher consumption. This imprudence is what led to our children having to compete with the labor market in China and India. This may have been avoided if Marx was required reading in high school economics and/or social studies.

Anyone who takes the time to understand economics will learn the so-called conservative strategy on free market, laissez-faire economics is actually neoliberalism. Hong Kong and now modern China is the place capitalists go to avoid the rules of western society, making China the capitalism power of globalization and forcing industrialized nations into a race to the bottom.
 
Does anyone agree that today's capitalism is laissez-faire neoliberalism?

Does anyone agree that today's China is the most capitalist country in the world?

All the rhetoric from conservatives about capitalism being ''free market'' laissez-faire economics is due to the lack of public understanding on the economy. Free market simply means that big business gets to write the rules that allows them to eliminate any competition from small business. The problem here is the Chinese government is one hell of a big business. This corporate giant – the Chinese government – has the ability to meet demand at a lower cost.

Americans bought into the idea that lower cost would increase their money supply resulting in higher consumption. This imprudence is what led to our children having to compete with the labor market in China and India. This may have been avoided if Marx was required reading in high school economics and/or social studies.

Anyone who takes the time to understand economics will learn the so-called conservative strategy on free market, laissez-faire economics is actually neoliberalism. Hong Kong and now modern China is the place capitalists go to avoid the rules of western society, making China the capitalism power of globalization and forcing industrialized nations into a race to the bottom.

You might have more credibility if you could lay off the political labeling.
 
You might have more credibility if you could lay off the political labeling.

Make your argument showing that the capitalism touted by conservatives is something other than neoliberalism.
 
Agreed, marx was a philosopher and economist who examined the newly emerging system known as capitalism and formed a valid critique that can be applied today, Lenin helped expand on this with his writings, same with Mao/stalin, although their works in relation to marxism have nothing to do with the crimes they commited due to paranoia/etc.. Lenin wrote about imperialism behind a newer stage of capitalism, which is entirely valid considering the rampant exploitation of the third world/colonialism/etc..

The Bolshevik takeover was not the sort of revolutions Karl Marx envisioned. It was certainly not a working class revolution. Nothing gave Lenin the right to speak on behalf of the Russian working class. He never had a blue collar job. I doubt he entered a factory until he was the dictator of the Soviet Union.

The Bolshevik takeover was a coup by an armed minority that took advantage of a chaotic situation. It was unfortunate for the democratic left in the United States because it gave conservatives a horrible example of socialism to condemn, and made it possible for them to exploit the nationalism of American white blue collar workers.
 
Marx had an interesting analysis of history, but when he attempted to project forward he got it ALL wrong. Countless millions have died as a result.

Karl Marx did not advocate the cruelties committed in his name. Nevertheless, because he did inspire those killings he cannot be considered to be completely innocent. The writings of John Stuart Mill, for example, did not inspire slave labor camps and mass killings.
 
The results of capitalism are greater dominance of financing and greater concentration of financial wealth among a few, and eventually overpopulation, pollution, and resource shortages.


That is simply not true. The elites are in a dynamic churn, changing from one generation to the next. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and the rest of the New Rich rose to the top through hard work and creativity. And there is no such things a over population, the man who was going on and on about it in the 70s and predicted mass food riots leading to the deaths of millions, Paul Ehrlich, was completely and totally wrong. And pollution is defined as any human made change in the environment so the only way for us to not have pollution is for all mankind to simply die. Most of us want to cure pollution, but no one wants to voluntarily die to get rid of 100% of it. And resource shortages are slef-corrected in a capitalist system as scarcity eventually leads to more efficiency and new materials to replace the old.

The only thing that Marx did start that is still with us are all the Marxist professoriate faculty that run our colleges and mislead millions of our best and brightest and ruin their lives.
 
Marx merely wrote a critique on capitalism. Marxism keeps the parts of capitalism that work and improves on or replaces the parts that cause the economic inequality we see today. Capitalism only works when there is sustained growth so the U.S. empire uses its military dominance to allow capitalists to freely go around the world and steal the natural resources of sovereign nations. This will eventually lead to a global uprising that the U.S. is prepared to quash. That is why we have a one trillion dollar "defense" budget.
Marx wrote a complete philosophy and social agenda for his movement. He was a philosopher and historian not an economist.
 
Marx had an interesting analysis of history, but when he attempted to project forward he got it ALL wrong. Countless millions have died as a result.

Karl Marx did not advocate the cruelties committed in his name. Nevertheless, because he did inspire those killings he cannot be considered to be completely innocent. The writings of John Stuart Mill, for example, did not inspire slave labor camps and mass killings.

The results of Marxist-Leninism are the slaughters, mass starvations and catastrophic wars of the 20th century.

Raw and essential Marxism itself is the inspiration for that, as he did see a need for the Dictatorship of the Proletariate until capitalism was completely destroyed.

Dictatorship of the proletariat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
The results of capitalism are greater dominance of financing and greater concentration of financial wealth among a few, and eventually overpopulation, pollution, and resource shortages.


That is simply not true. The elites are in a dynamic churn, changing from one generation to the next. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and the rest of the New Rich rose to the top through hard work and creativity. And there is no such things a over population, the man who was going on and on about it in the 70s and predicted mass food riots leading to the deaths of millions, Paul Ehrlich, was completely and totally wrong. And pollution is defined as any human made change in the environment so the only way for us to not have pollution is for all mankind to simply die. Most of us want to cure pollution, but no one wants to voluntarily die to get rid of 100% of it. And resource shortages are slef-corrected in a capitalist system as scarcity eventually leads to more efficiency and new materials to replace the old.

The only thing that Marx did start that is still with us are all the Marxist professoriate faculty that run our colleges and mislead millions of our best and brightest and ruin their lives.

Don't put the genius Steve Jobs together with the "copy and patent" Bill Gates.
 
The results of capitalism are greater dominance of financing and greater concentration of financial wealth among a few, and eventually overpopulation, pollution, and resource shortages.


That is simply not true. The elites are in a dynamic churn, changing from one generation to the next. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and the rest of the New Rich rose to the top through hard work and creativity. And there is no such things a over population, the man who was going on and on about it in the 70s and predicted mass food riots leading to the deaths of millions, Paul Ehrlich, was completely and totally wrong. And pollution is defined as any human made change in the environment so the only way for us to not have pollution is for all mankind to simply die. Most of us want to cure pollution, but no one wants to voluntarily die to get rid of 100% of it. And resource shortages are slef-corrected in a capitalist system as scarcity eventually leads to more efficiency and new materials to replace the old.

The only thing that Marx did start that is still with us are all the Marxist professoriate faculty that run our colleges and mislead millions of our best and brightest and ruin their lives.

Don't put the genius Steve Jobs together with the "copy and patent" Bill Gates.

Jobs was an orchestrator, but Gates is a master at marketing. I think Gates deserves some credit as well. We were talking about new wealth folks and he is the richest man in the world, so he would seem to fit.
 

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