"Marry a Muslim or you die!"

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    Brother jailed for attacking Harry Potter star - Europe, World News - Independent.ie

    Battered victim pleads for leniency because she is afraid for her life. This is what is known as "Sharia Law".
     
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    The brother blames his violence on alcohol. I thought Muslims don't drink alcohol. So, generally speaking, Muslims are no more 'holy' than the rest of us. Color me shocked.

    And.... I don't think it has anything to do with Sharia Law.... it's a cultural thing, not a religious thing.
     
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    I disagree CG. I realize honor killings may be cultural, but if you read the whole article, the father and brother were originally let go by the court with an order to "maintain the peace". It seems to me that the judge was considering Sharia when he gave out such a lenient sentence.
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    And this is my major fear of Sharia. People claim "It only affects Muslims" and "We have laws against DV". Well, I happen to care what happens to Muslim girls. Victims are afraid to speak up. Period.
     
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    Where do you get the judge considering Sharia from anything in the article?
     
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    I'm just glad America only has the nice Muslims.
     
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    Yeah ,well we all know alcohol induced death threats and beatings are minor and practically excusable as long as the victim is intimidated into not testifying . They are never acted on.

    You understand that if a woman refuses to accept and abide by sharia court rulings she will be ostracized and abused by the only community she knows.


    Sharia law’s civil code is arbitrary and discriminatory against women and children in particular. With the rise in the acceptance of Sharia courts, discrimination is being further institutionalised with some UK law firms additionally offering clients advice on Sharia law and the use of collaborative law.

    Sharia law is practiced in Britain primarily by Sharia Councils and Muslims Arbitration Tribunals. Both operate on religious principles and are harmful to women although Muslim Arbitration Tribunals are wrongly regarded as being of more concern because they operate as tribunals under the Arbitration Act 1996, making their rulings binding in law.

    Sharia Councils, on the other hand, claim to mediate on family issues but in practice often this differs little from arbitration: they frequently ask those appearing before them to sign an agreement to abide by their decisions; they call themselves courts, and the presiding imams, judges. Their decisions are then imposed and regarded as having the weight of legal judgements.


    There is neither control over the appointment of “judges” in Sharia Councils or Tribunals nor an independent mechanism for monitoring them. Clients often do not have access to legal advice and representation. The proceedings are not recorded, nor are there any searchable legal judgements, nor any real right of appeal.

    Sharia law cannot be compared to secular legal systems because it is considered sacred law that cannot be challenged. There is no scope to look at the interests of the individuals involved, as required by UK family law.

    These legal processes ignore both common law and due process, far less Human Rights, and provide little protection and safety for women in violent situations.


    There is a general assumption that those who attend Sharia courts do so voluntarily and that unfair decisions can be challenged in a British court. Many of the principles of Sharia law are contrary to British law and public policy, and would in theory therefore be unlikely to be upheld in a British court. In reality, however, women are often pressured by their families into going to these courts and adhering to unfair decisions, and may lack knowledge of English and their rights under British law. Moreover, refusal to settle a dispute in a Sharia court can give rise to threats and intimidation, or at best being ostracised

    http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/New-Report-Sharia-Law-in-Britain.pdf
     
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    If this case was ruled by Sharia law there would have been no punishment at all. Your link shows that the brother was found guilty of assault and the father was fined.

    What a family...fucked in the head.
     
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    It's bigotry, plain and simple.

    Bet some on the left will defend this.
     
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    Try to get your head around this. Sharia law had nothing to do with this particular case. It falls under British law on Domestic Violence. In British DV law, they recognize that sometimes the victim is, for a variety of reasons, not willing to testify in court. That makes no difference, the prosecution goes ahead without the victim.

    This case was based on British law, not Sharia. Sharia only applies in domestic or business situations. And then, only if both parties agree. It is not applicable in criminal cases. This was a criminal case, because domestic violence is illegal in Britain.
     
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    Actually, it is domestic violence. Sharia law had nothing to do with the case or the sentence. The sentence was in line with the sentencing guidelines applicable in Britain. Not rocket science, and nothing to do with the religion of the participants.
     
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