Mark Levin may get his evil wish to convene a Constitutional Convention

[Flopper]

Mark Levin loves to TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM and how it attacks rights associated with property ownership, and how government force is used under socialism to take and then transfer the property of one group of individuals to another group selectively determined by those who hold political power. This transfer of property is primarily accomplished through a socialist tax on profits, gains, and other “incomes” which seeks out the most productive hard working citizens, taxes them, and then redistributes the property they have earned to those who enjoy riding in government’s free cheese wagon who are expected to return the favor by prostituting their vote to those giving free government cheese which in turn keeps socialists at the helm of government power. So why does Mark Levin promote with one of his “liberty amendments” the socialist tax on profits, gains and other “incomes” which is the engine that fuels our socialist free cheese wagon?

Why is it that Mark Levin will not promote the following H.J.RESOLUTION?

House/Senate Joint Resolution

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.

Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.



These words, if added to our Constitution, would bring us back to our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN, as our founders intended it to operate, and they would end the socialist experiment with taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.

JWK


“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

There are 10 countries in world that do not have any form of income tax. The list is dominated by middle eastern countries whose GDP depends on oil production plus a couple of Caribbean islands that depend on tourist dollars. Government revenue is derived from some the highest corporate taxes in the world and a required contribution to social security funds that support both pension plans, heavily subsided government healthcare, and numerous social welfare programs. Economic freedom in all these countries is well below the US and entrepreneurial growth is ranked must lower than the US.

Countries With Zero Income Taxes
Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

 

[johnwk]

Mark Levin loves to TALK ABOUT SOCIALISM and how it attacks rights associated with property ownership, and how government force is used under socialism to take and then transfer the property of one group of individuals to another group selectively determined by those who hold political power. This transfer of property is primarily accomplished through a socialist tax on profits, gains, and other “incomes” which seeks out the most productive hard working citizens, taxes them, and then redistributes the property they have earned to those who enjoy riding in government’s free cheese wagon who are expected to return the favor by prostituting their vote to those giving free government cheese which in turn keeps socialists at the helm of government power. So why does Mark Levin promote with one of his “liberty amendments” the socialist tax on profits, gains and other “incomes” which is the engine that fuels our socialist free cheese wagon?

Why is it that Mark Levin will not promote the following H.J.RESOLUTION?

House/Senate Joint Resolution

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.

Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.



These words, if added to our Constitution, would bring us back to our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN, as our founders intended it to operate, and they would end the socialist experiment with taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.

JWK


“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address

There are 10 countries in world that do not have any form of income tax. The list is dominated by middle eastern countries whose GDP depends on oil production plus a couple of Caribbean islands that depend on tourist dollars. Government revenue is derived from some the highest corporate taxes in the world and a required contribution to social security funds that support both pension plans, heavily subsided government healthcare, and numerous social welfare programs. Economic freedom in all these countries is well below the US and entrepreneurial growth is ranked must lower than the US.

Countries With Zero Income Taxes
Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

I'm not sure what that has to do with Mark Levin supporting the socialist tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes?


JWK


When the consent of the governed is bypassed as done with the passage of Obamacare, it is the right, moreover the duty, of the people to rise up and severely punish those who have engaged in such tyranny!

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The one thing that I disagree with Mark Levin is the extent to which the Article V process needs to come.

What they must work on are two issues, spending and term limits. If they then add a myriad of other issues that do not have the backing of 80% of the people, then the likelihood of the process failing increases that much more.

I would personally like to start with just two amendments, term limits and a balanced budget amendment of some kind.

You do realize that if they pass an amendment to balance the budget, they will just ignore it. This is a process, one that needs to take place. Nothing will change over night. However, the term limits will flush out the system, which is perhaps the most needed event right now.

Your last paragraph is truer than you think. A balanced budget amendment would have to contain an emergency clause, and congress would just declare an emergency and spend as usual.

Yes, there would have to be an emergency clause.

However, the most serious problem of requiring a balanced budget every year is it would raise serious risks of tipping a weak economy into recession and making recessions longer and deeper, causing very large job losses. That’s because the amendment would force policymakers to cut spending, raise taxes, or both just when the economy is weak or already in recession — the exact opposite of what good economic policy would advise.

Correct.

An ‘emergency clause’ would render a BBA meaningless and unworkable, in addition to posing a threat to the health of the National economy.

In essence the notion of a BBA is ignorant partisan nonsense, where it’s perfectly normal and appropriate for the government of a First World industrialized nation such as the United States to realize a deficit.

 

[sameech]

I would support a new Constitution which would necessarily require another convention. I think that part of it is an awesome idea. I suspect both sides of the political spectrum know it is in their best interest not to have one, so I do not expect to see a legitimate effort to replace the one we have any time in my life (unfortunately)

 

[Flopper]

I would support a new Constitution which would necessarily require another convention. I think that part of it is an awesome idea. I suspect both sides of the political spectrum know it is in their best interest not to have one, so I do not expect to see a legitimate effort to replace the one we have any time in my life (unfortunately)

Both sides know it's a waste of time effort so why do it. There's not enough states that would even agree to call a convention much less ratify the results.

 

[dblack]

I would support a new Constitution which would necessarily require another convention. I think that part of it is an awesome idea. I suspect both sides of the political spectrum know it is in their best interest not to have one, so I do not expect to see a legitimate effort to replace the one we have any time in my life (unfortunately)

Both sides know it's a waste of time effort so why do it.

Submit!

 

[johnwk]

SEE: Did Michigan just trigger 'constitutional convention'? Bid gains steam

”In the wake of the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter pressed House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday to determine whether the states just crossed the threshold for this kind of convention. Like Michigan lawmakers, Hunter's interest in the matter stems from a desire to push a balanced-budget amendment -- something that could potentially be done at a constitutional convention.”

If Duncan Hunter wants to balance the annual budget, then why does he not “push” for and demand the apportioned direct tax be used to extinguish annual deficits as our Founding Fathers intended?

The liars are at it again, pretending their objectives are noble, but their ultimate aim is to convene a convention so those who now hold power at the federal and state level may rewrite our Constitution and make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional.

How is the budget to be balanced? The answer is found in a number of our State Ratification documents which gave birth to our Constitution, for example see: Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire

Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

For an example of a direct tax being laid by Congress see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied and each State’s share is determined.

Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

A flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners.

Hey Mark, does your flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does your socialist tax on profits gains and other “incomes” end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! Tell us Mark Levin, how about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does your flat tax end that and class warfare carried out under taxation? No! Or, would your flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So tell us Mark Levin, why are you comfortable with a flat tax which is a component part of a despotic federal government? I think I know why….you are part of the Washington Establishment which constantly works to defeat the miracle our founding fathers created.

If you were really sincere about supporting our founding fathers Mark, you would be promoting a return to our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate with the following H.J.RESOLUTION:

House/Senate Joint Resolution

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.

Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.

JWK

" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87

It was also known as the Red State Tax Plan.

Each State based on population as a whole had to pay for the operations of the Gov't. The States decided the best way to come up with the money.

Under that aspect, the States would be less likely to overspend when they get the bill.

Many states have Balanced budgets, and cut programs to pay when revenues are low. States DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO COIN CURRENCY as the Fed does.

Live within your means is what the hell it really means and stop destroying our currency.

Of the Amendments that I'm partial to.

Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act. Banks no longer control our currency. The last time that was stopped was Andrew Jackson with the Second National Bank.

Repeal the 17th. Allow state legislatures to select Senators. If Senators go against the state then they get recalled. Which is a check and balance of power as intended. The popular vote option was specific to the House of Representatives. Had we wanted a PURE DEMOCRACY then no Senate was even needed.

Balanced Budget Amendment.

Term Limits on serving in the Senate and Congress.

Spelling out the limits of the Feds and their agencies. Many agencies now produce regulation through old laws or court cases without the consent of the People. aka the Congress and Senate. Regulations should get final approval from our reps and not a law passed a hundred years ago.

Those are high on my list. It is needed.

I wonder why Mark Levin has never discussed our Constitution's ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our Founders intended it to operate!

JWK

“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Put to The Americans: Would they rather Mark Levin get his wish or Saul Alinsky get his?

 

[eagle1462010]

SEE: Did Michigan just trigger 'constitutional convention'? Bid gains steam

”In the wake of the vote, California Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter pressed House Speaker John Boehner on Tuesday to determine whether the states just crossed the threshold for this kind of convention. Like Michigan lawmakers, Hunter's interest in the matter stems from a desire to push a balanced-budget amendment -- something that could potentially be done at a constitutional convention.”

If Duncan Hunter wants to balance the annual budget, then why does he not “push” for and demand the apportioned direct tax be used to extinguish annual deficits as our Founding Fathers intended?

The liars are at it again, pretending their objectives are noble, but their ultimate aim is to convene a convention so those who now hold power at the federal and state level may rewrite our Constitution and make constitutional that which is now unconstitutional.

How is the budget to be balanced? The answer is found in a number of our State Ratification documents which gave birth to our Constitution, for example see: Ratification of the Constitution by the State of New Hampshire

Fourthly That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the money arising from Impost, Excise and their other resources are insufficient for the Publick Exigencies; nor then, untill Congress shall have first made a Requisition upon the States, to Assess, Levy, & pay their respective proportions, of such requisitions agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution in such way & manner as the Legislature of the State shall think best and in such Case if any State shall neglect, then Congress may Assess & Levy such States proportion together with the Interest thereon at the rate of six per Cent per Annum from the Time of payment prescribed in such requisition-

For an example of a direct tax being laid by Congress see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million in which the rule of apportionment is applied and each State’s share is determined.

Did you ever hear Mark Levin inform his listening audience that our founders put the emergency apportioned direct taxing power in the Constitution to be used when imposts, duties, and excise taxes were found insufficient to meet Congress expenditures? I haven’t. But Mark Levin wants a convention so he can promote his socialist flat tax which he now does with one of his “liberty amendments”.

A flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners.

Hey Mark, does your flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does your socialist tax on profits gains and other “incomes” end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! Tell us Mark Levin, how about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does your flat tax end that and class warfare carried out under taxation? No! Or, would your flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So tell us Mark Levin, why are you comfortable with a flat tax which is a component part of a despotic federal government? I think I know why….you are part of the Washington Establishment which constantly works to defeat the miracle our founding fathers created.

If you were really sincere about supporting our founding fathers Mark, you would be promoting a return to our Constitution’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our founders intended it to operate with the following H.J.RESOLUTION:

House/Senate Joint Resolution

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.

Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.

JWK

" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87

It was also known as the Red State Tax Plan.

Each State based on population as a whole had to pay for the operations of the Gov't. The States decided the best way to come up with the money.

Under that aspect, the States would be less likely to overspend when they get the bill.

Many states have Balanced budgets, and cut programs to pay when revenues are low. States DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO COIN CURRENCY as the Fed does.

Live within your means is what the hell it really means and stop destroying our currency.

Of the Amendments that I'm partial to.

Repeal of the Federal Reserve Act. Banks no longer control our currency. The last time that was stopped was Andrew Jackson with the Second National Bank.

Repeal the 17th. Allow state legislatures to select Senators. If Senators go against the state then they get recalled. Which is a check and balance of power as intended. The popular vote option was specific to the House of Representatives. Had we wanted a PURE DEMOCRACY then no Senate was even needed.

Balanced Budget Amendment.

Term Limits on serving in the Senate and Congress.

Spelling out the limits of the Feds and their agencies. Many agencies now produce regulation through old laws or court cases without the consent of the People. aka the Congress and Senate. Regulations should get final approval from our reps and not a law passed a hundred years ago.

Those are high on my list. It is needed.

I wonder why Mark Levin has never discussed our Constitution's ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as our Founders intended it to operate!

JWK

“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.

I don't know, but I do know that if all the people had to actually pay the bills on time in this country they'd want to put a leash on the Federal Gov't.