Marine's Facebook page tests military rules

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What do you think of this? (Two part question)

  1. he's fucked

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  2. He has the right

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  3. Ballzy move though

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  4. Disgraceful.

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  1. Two Thumbs
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    Marine's Facebook page tests military rules - Yahoo! News

    Marine Sgt. Gary Stein first started a Facebook page called Armed Forces Tea Party Patriots to encourage service members to exercise their free speech rights. Then he declared that he wouldn't follow orders from the commander in chief, President Barack Obama.
    While Stein softened his statement to say he wouldn't follow "unlawful orders," military observers say he may have gone too far.
    The Marine Corps is now looking into whether he violated the military's rules prohibiting political statements by those in uniform and broke its guidelines on what troops can and cannot say on social media. Stein said his views are constitutionally protected.
    While troops have always expressed their views in private, Stein's case highlights the potential for their opinions to go global as tech-savvy service members post personal details, videos and pictures that can hurt the military's image at home and abroad.


    In the military, most rights become privileges.

    Right to bear arms; gone
    free speech; gone
    privacy; pfft, I shared a bunk
    press; non-existant
    and so on.

    He's fucked, and he knows it.

    this also shows a lack of discipline on his part. Not something that gets him kicked out, but defenatly demoted.
     
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    It takes guts to do something you KNOW you're gonna get boned up the ass for.
     
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    No it doesn't.

    No great harm will befall him for this.


    When he signed on, he volunteered to follow all the rules. Now he can't be trusted, and you 'must' be able to trust each other in the military.
     
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    While it's true that Article 88 of the UCMJ (Contempt toward officials) only applies to commissioned officers, each service has their own regulations that also forbid such behavior from enlisted.

    What might get him is his stated intent to violate Art 90 (Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior commissioned officer) and/or Art 92 ( Failure to obey order or regulation).

    Also possible violations of Art 82, Solicitation to violate Art 94, Mutiny.

    Then of course there's the fallback of General Article 134 as his acts are clearly "to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, [and] conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces."
     
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    I'm not finding his FB page - only a group that's in favor of what he's doing.
     
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    Art 90 and 92, he broke by posting his political beliefs on the FB.

    82 is a stretch and 94 is out.

    The Gen Art is always tacked onto everything.
     
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    Eh, you can wiggle out of that one depending on the specific wording of the Navy/USMC regulations on political beliefs and the full contents of the FB page. You can state political beliefs withing certain limits. Stating that one will not obey an unlawful order is not itself a violation of anything. A lot hinges on whether his FB page constitutes a "political organization/club," and how overt his political statements were.

    If he is soliciting others to disobey lawful orders (and all orders are presumed to be lawful) then he is soliciting others to mutiny. It is a bit of a stretch, but not too much.

    Of course, but odds are that's what they'll get him on. His actions are prejudicial to good order and dixcipline and brings discredit to the armed forces. That's the only one they have a clear and unquestioned violation.

    My prediction: Art 15, reduction in rank to Lance Corporal, a fine, and extra duty.
     
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    If he did what you say, yes...he's screwed.
     
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    I agree.

    Except I'm thinking he's going to have to kiss ass to avoid 30 days in the brig.

    reduction, 1/2 pay for 90, extra duty 30-90
     
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    It's from the AP.

    Going on what I have [he's innocent until...], he's gunna get the bunga bunga.
     

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