Map of Ottoman Empire @ 1900's clearly shows, land NOT OWNED BY ARABS:

[Roudy]

You want maps? Here is some free aducashun. I

 

[montelatici]

Beyond questioning what a military commander stating policy means, what does it matter? Did the Jews from Europe not expel the Christians and Muslims that were living in Palestine? Christians and Muslims that owned more than 90% of the land?

 

[Roudy]

Beyond questioning what a military commander stating policy means, what does it matter? Did the Jews from Europe not expel the Christians and Muslims that were living in Palestine? Christians and Muslims that owned more than 90% of the land?

Um it matters because you keep saying that the "Jews stole the land" of which never belonged, nor was it under the control of the Arabs for 700 years. The Jews did not "expel" anyone. The Arabs tried to Islamicize the area and commit genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Jews, they failed, a civil war ensued and the Arabs lost. Can't deal with the one Jewish state in the region out of the remains of the collapsed Ottoman Empire? TOUGH SHIT!

Cue in bullshit chart from Islamist site in 3, 2, 1....

 

[Humanity]

Historical facts fly in the face of those who claim: "The Jews stole the land".

The "land" was Ottoman Empire territory for 600 years, and then under the control of the British after WWI once the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Get it right, the Arabs had no say or control over what happened to the land for 800 years. In fact, the Ottomans who CONQUERED the Arabs were enemies:

Great!

Let's give it back to the Turks then!

Why not the Crusaders, or the Romans even the Jews. The arab muslims did not hold it for long enough to matter.

Yeah for sure.... Why not....

But isn't it rather idiotic of all pro-israelis to try and choose just where to draw a timeline that is convenient for, well, jews, and actually forget the rest of historical fact, simply because it doesn't really suit you cause....

Oh, before I get tagged an islamonazi, or whatever ridiculous tag you want to throw at me, exactly the same can be said of pro-palestinians...

Both sides should actually draw a "line in the sand" from where to start a mutual history and 'argue' from there....

Trying to argue 1800's with 1920's or 1947's is just a farce...

If you want to go back to the earliest remains in the region then you are looking at 1.5 million years ago and they came from Africa!

 

[montelatici]

Beyond questioning what a military commander stating policy means, what does it matter? Did the Jews from Europe not expel the Christians and Muslims that were living in Palestine? Christians and Muslims that owned more than 90% of the land?

Um it matters because you keep saying that the "Jews stole the land" of which never belonged, nor was it under the control of the Arabs for 700 years. The Jews did not "expel" anyone. The Arabs tried to Islamicize the area and commit genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Jews, they failed, a civil war ensued and the Arabs lost. Can't deal with the one Jewish state in the region out of the remains of the collapsed Ottoman Empire? TOUGH SHIT!

Cue in bullshit chart from Islamist site in 3, 2, 1....

The Christians and Muslims owned more than 90% of the land in 1943. By definition, it was stolen from them when they were expelled by the Jews. Claiming the "Jews did not expel anyone" is just silly and you know it.

The Christians and Muslims were resisting the expulsion and ethnic cleansing that the Jews began in 1946.

 

[Humanity]

Beyond questioning what a military commander stating policy means, what does it matter? Did the Jews from Europe not expel the Christians and Muslims that were living in Palestine? Christians and Muslims that owned more than 90% of the land?

Um it matters because you keep saying that the "Jews stole the land" of which never belonged, nor was it under the control of the Arabs for 700 years. The Jews did not "expel" anyone. The Arabs tried to Islamicize the area and commit genocide and ethnic cleansing on the Jews, they failed, a civil war ensued and the Arabs lost. Can't deal with the one Jewish state in the region out of the remains of the collapsed Ottoman Empire? TOUGH SHIT!

Cue in bullshit chart from Islamist site in 3, 2, 1....

It all seems to start drifting into a 5th dimension when it comes to 'arguing' over whos land was whos, or, for that matter, if it even existed at all... "the "Jews stole the land" of which never belonged"??

Like it or not, the region known as Palestine WAS inhabited by Arabs AND Jews. A coexistence that appears to have been harmonious, without borders, for quite some time...

Yes, conquerors came and went, but the region remained inhabited by both 'sides'.

Both 'sides' seem wrapped up in historical misinformation, at best, rather than looking for genuine solutions to the current issues...

 

[montelatici]

There were very few Jews before 1850. A "handful" according to the official record. And they weren't Europeans, they were Arab Jews, that like the Christians and Arabs, were culturally Arab and spoke Arabic.

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. ​

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. In the following 30 years a few hundreds came to Palestine. Most of them were animated by religious motives; they came to pray and to die in the Holy Land, and to be buried in its soil.


- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[teddyearp]

Great!

Let's give it back to the Turks then!

Well, if that would result in the cessation of hostilities and old time bickering between the two sides, I would be for it.

However, I highly doubt that Turkey wants to take that task on, nor have anything like that to do with Israel/Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

Great!

Let's give it back to the Turks then!

Well, if that would result in the cessation of hostilities and old time bickering between the two sides, I would be for it.

However, I highly doubt that Turkey wants to take that task on, nor have anything like that to do with Israel/Palestine.

Well, the Turks have transports that could return the Jewish settlers back to where they or their parents and grand parents came from.

 

[Humanity]

And now we know that the land was not arab muslim at all, that they were illegal immigrants and land thieves. It is the standard ISLAMONAZI model that we are seeing in Europe today, but the Europeans are fighting back against the land thefts. The arab muslims lost ownership and control in 1099 and have never managed to reclaim it since.

And an amazing admission that actually Arab Muslims DID own land and control Palestine!

"The arab muslims lost ownership and control"

The ONLY way to lose ownership and control is to have owned and controlled something in the first place!

Well done Phoenall for pointing it out, clearly, concisely.

 

[montelatici]

Phoney will be Phoney.

 

[teddyearp]

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

You know something Sara? I had to actually thank a post of yours, this one. Why? Because right on the surface of it is shows how much B.S. that you have swallowed and believe and expect us (and who you really want to reach, the rest of the world and readers) to believe.

OK, the surface. From your table above you expect us to believe that the moslem population increased by 349,933 by 'natural' methods; i.e. births over deaths. This is from approx. 582,000 total around 1922. That, as has been pointed out, one heck of a birth rate!!

But the real gem to be found in the link you posted is not far down on its page. Go down about 1/4 of the page where the heading says, "Public Security". Item #10:

10. During the year covered by this Report, public security in Palestine was seriously disturbed by a compaign of murder, intimidation, and sabotage conducted by Arab law breakers, which on a few occasions provoked Jewish reprisals

Priceless!

 

[Humanity]

FACT:View attachment 32891 ARABS owned more than 90% of the land prior to partition. All the deflection, tap dancing, whining, coloring book maps and stamping of feet won't change the facts contained in the Survey of Palestine commissioned by the United Nations prior to partition:

Ha ha ha again with the bullshit chart from a Mooooslem site.

Fact, the Ottoman Turks didn't document deeds or land ownership.

Fact, mass immigration and land ownership by Mexicans into American cities like LA and Phoenix does not make LA Mexican land. Ha ha ha. What an ignorant moron.

The chart is from a Jewish site, as you well know. The Berman Jewish Policy Archive:

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Do you think repeating a lie over and over again will make it true you silly little wanker. It's killing you that I have the facts and can document them, isn't it. Let's look at the facts again, available from a Jewish site:

View attachment 32896

Here are the facts.

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".

- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

Just for factual clarity Zuheir Mohsen died over 35 years ago...

 

[teddyearp]

FACT:View attachment 32891

Oh. For. Fucks. Sake.

This one again Sara? You surely do not know when you're whipped on that worn out old one.

 

[teddyearp]

The chart is from a Jewish site, as you well know. The Berman Jewish Policy Archive:

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

Do you think repeating a lie over and over again will make it true you silly little wanker. It's killing you that I have the facts and can document them, isn't it. Let's look at the facts again, available from a Jewish site:

View attachment 32896

Sara, I asked you in one of the several other threads where you have posted this piece of crap "Table 2". So I ask again. Please provide the direct link to this table as the link you provide does not reveal it.

 

[montelatici]

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937

You know something Sara? I had to actually thank a post of yours, this one. Why? Because right on the surface of it is shows how much B.S. that you have swallowed and believe and expect us (and who you really want to reach, the rest of the world and readers) to believe.

OK, the surface. From your table above you expect us to believe that the moslem population increased by 349,933 by 'natural' methods; i.e. births over deaths. This is from approx. 582,000 total around 1922. That, as has been pointed out, one heck of a birth rate!!

But the real gem to be found in the link you posted is not far down on its page. Go down about 1/4 of the page where the heading says, "Public Security". Item #10:

10. During the year covered by this Report, public security in Palestine was seriously disturbed by a compaign of murder, intimidation, and sabotage conducted by Arab law breakers, which on a few occasions provoked Jewish reprisals

Priceless!

You really try hard, but no cigar Bozo. And, nice try at propaganda, but I am far smarter than you are and will call you every time you try something like this, you lying piece of shit.

The 349,933 was the natural increase, of all religions, not just Muslims. The increase by natural increase was higher for Muslims 50% versus 36% Christians and 30% Jews religions but not out of whack with Muslim childbearing today. Interestingly, the Christians had a marginally higher rate than Jews.

Plus the population in 1922 of all religions, was 757,182, not 582,000, so the 349,933 natural increase for all religions is not unusual.

don't try it again bozo, I'll always make you look like the fool you are. And, apologize to Penelope, she was right.

Fact, population in 1922.

Moslems ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 590,890
Jews ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 83,794
Christians ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 73,024
Druzes ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 7,028
Samaritans ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 163
Bahais ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 265
Metawallis ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 156
Hindoos ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 1,454
Sikhs ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 408
_______

Total ... ... ... ... ... ... ... 757,182
- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations 31 December 1922

 

[teddyearp]

View attachment 32900

Dude, this is getting very, very, very, very old. Who paid the most in taxes?

 

[teddyearp]

The arab muslims lost ownership and control in 1099 and have never managed to reclaim it since.

And an amazing admission that actually Arab Muslims DID own land and control Palestine!

"The arab muslims lost ownership and control"

The ONLY way to lose ownership and control is to have owned and controlled something in the first place!

Well done Phoenall for pointing it out, clearly, concisely.

Come, come now Humanity. Phoenall was talking 1099 CE. The Israelites could go back to at least 1000BCE for their claim.

But these 'old' claims and bickering and grudges do nothing to promote the peace needed today. Now.

 

[montelatici]

View attachment 32900

Dude, this is getting very, very, very, very old. Who paid the most in taxes?

Who cares who paid more real estate taxes?

 

[teddyearp]

Who cares who paid more real estate taxes?

I do. I think it shows who was more responsible to the country.