Mansfield Texas High School Shooting

[2aguy]

2aguy
People who get permits? Lol, NO permits or training is required for Concealed in 8 states (it may be 10 now) and over half require no permitting or training on open carry.

States Where Anyone Can Carry a Concealed Weapon

Each year, roughly 117,000 Americans are shot, and nearly one in every three of those shot die. Some Americans have responded to the problem of gun violence by advocating for stricter gun laws, while others have armed themselves. Allegedly, the victims of the recent fatal police shootings in...

247wallst.com

And then you have to explain this...

As more Americans were able to carry guns in public for self defense over 27 years, the gun murder rate went down 49%...the gun crime rate went down 75%...

You can't explain that.......

This is the 27 years leading up to 2015....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........



What happened after that?

The Gentle Giant Riots, when the democrat party decided to start a war on the police, and then they decided to keep releasing actual gun criminals.....just recently the democrat party prosecutor in Chicago, Kim Fox, refused to press charges against 5 actual gang members who had a shoot out, caught on camera......with 2 on the ground and wounded.........because she said it was mutual combat...she also refused to press charges against a gang member who shot a young girl....the police even tried to go around her by going to a judge on their own....and she called the politically appointed Police Superintendant to stop them.....so sell the lie to biden votes...concealed carry permit holders aren't causing crime...

it isn't concealed carry permit holders it is the democrat party and their policies...

 

[2aguy]

Here are two such incidents:

State senator's son shot at party

BOISE -- The 21-year-old man accused of killing a state legislator's son has turned himself in to police. Boise State University student Cameron Wade Davis, 23, died

lmtribune.com

1-year sentence for former Boise State student involved in deadly shooting

“It hurts tremendously, it's devastating. I mean [Bobby] was our child, was killing him only worth a year in jail?" Bobby Skinner's mother told KTVB.

www.ktvb.com

Did you read these?

A keg party.....and no mention of a concealed carry permit...

Are you serious? That's what you have?

It wasn't even on campus..........

The Hockey player.....?

Really? Come on....you didn't read these...

The shooting didn't take place on campus, Concealed carry isn't even mentioned in the freaking story.....and it was an accidental shooting to boot....

You really are lame...........

Both stories happened off campus and no connection to concealed carry...........you fail....badly.

 

[2aguy]

Here are two such incidents:

State senator's son shot at party

BOISE -- The 21-year-old man accused of killing a state legislator's son has turned himself in to police. Boise State University student Cameron Wade Davis, 23, died

lmtribune.com

1-year sentence for former Boise State student involved in deadly shooting

“It hurts tremendously, it's devastating. I mean [Bobby] was our child, was killing him only worth a year in jail?" Bobby Skinner's mother told KTVB.

www.ktvb.com

You still didn't link to the concealed carry holder on campus shooting someone..........I will wait...

 

[2aguy]

2aguy
People who get permits? Lol, NO permits or training is required for Concealed in 8 states (it may be 10 now) and over half require no permitting or training on open carry.

States Where Anyone Can Carry a Concealed Weapon

Each year, roughly 117,000 Americans are shot, and nearly one in every three of those shot die. Some Americans have responded to the problem of gun violence by advocating for stricter gun laws, while others have armed themselves. Allegedly, the victims of the recent fatal police shootings in...

247wallst.com

Please explain how this is possible...

4.7 million people with permits to carry guns to 19.4 million...

gun murder down 48%
Gun crime down 75%

Over 27 years....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

 

[2aguy]

Here are two such incidents:

State senator's son shot at party

BOISE -- The 21-year-old man accused of killing a state legislator's son has turned himself in to police. Boise State University student Cameron Wade Davis, 23, died

lmtribune.com

1-year sentence for former Boise State student involved in deadly shooting

“It hurts tremendously, it's devastating. I mean [Bobby] was our child, was killing him only worth a year in jail?" Bobby Skinner's mother told KTVB.

www.ktvb.com

This is why we have gun crime in the U.S. in democrat party controlled cities...

Yet again, the Chicago Police Department finds itself at loggerheads with State’s Attorney Kim Foxx about charging a criminal with a crime. First, it was low-level crimes that Foxx declined to prosecute. Then it was celebrity nonsense, with the Jussie Smollett hate-crime hoax. Next, it was the murder of a little girl. And now, it’s a deadly gang shootout. The larger issue is whether the police (and the public) have any options when a prosecutor refuses to prosecute, even when the evidence for guilt seems overwhelming.
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On August 15, seven-year-old Serenity Broughton was sitting in the backseat of a car with her six-year-old sister. A gunman blasted away at someone near the car, killing Serenity and critically wounding her sister. Even in a city as violent as Chicago, the death of a little girl hit home. Chicago PD detectives worked around the clock and built a case against a suspect. But Foxx’s office declined to arrest the suspect and attempted instead to cast blame on police by implying that their investigation was deficient. Meantime, five participants in a gunfight that killed one person were released from custody this week, with Foxx reportedly citing “mutual combat” as the reason for dropping the case.

What can police do when a prosecutor won’t prosecute?

Most major felony charges require the approval of prosecutors. In Broughton’s case, the Chicago PD used an “emergency override” procedure to arrest and charge the suspect without prosecutor approval. But Foxx would not let that stand. She called the police chief, and the arrested suspect was un-arrested. Even if Foxx had not succeeded in freeing the suspect at that point, she would have done so at the first official hearing. That rules out one option for the police to make charging decisions in defiance of Foxx.

The next option for police is to find another prosecutor. This approach worked in the Jussie Smollett debacle. After Foxx’s office dismissed the charges, an outraged judge appointed a special prosecutor to take over the case. The special prosecutor recharged Smollett with felony offenses for making false reports to the police. Those charges remain pending.

But unless you find a supportive judge and the case is as notorious as Smollett’s, then the appointment of such a special prosecutor is extremely unlikely. The police still can take cases to state attorneys general or federal prosecutors, but both have limited jurisdiction over cases involving murder and lack the capacity to handle all the cases that a politician like Foxx fails to prosecute. Another dead-end for the police.

A time-honored approach for police dealing with a recalcitrant prosecutor is to take the case to the media and the public. In 2017, an outraged police union publicly attacked Philadelphia’s then-district attorney Seth Williams for failing to charge a teenage girl who punched a cop in a scuffle. The local press ran with this story and others critical of Williams, but now the media tide has turned. Philadelphia police would love to use the media to attack progressive district attorney Larry Krasner, who has presided over a soaring murder rate, rising public disorder, and general disrespect for the police. But the local newspaper of record, the Philadelphia Inquirer, has endorsed Krasner twice. Nor do police tend to get good press in other cities with progressive prosecutors. Cross another option off the list.

Chicago Police Department v. Kim Foxx

Yet again, the Chicago Police Department finds itself at loggerheads with State’s Attorney Kim Foxx about charging a criminal with a crime. First, it was low-level crimes that Foxx declined to prosecute. Then it was celebrity nonsense, with the Jussie Smollett hate-crime hoax. Next, it was the...

www.city-journal.org

Gun owners aren't the problem.....democrat party prosecutors and judges are the problem.....

 

[DrLove]

Please explain how this is possible...

4.7 million people with permits to carry guns to 19.4 million...

gun murder down 48%
Gun crime down 75%

Over 27 years....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

Your sources continue to suck. This is clearly a RW gunner site. I mean seriously? Just look at their other headlines.

One moment, please...

crimeresearch.org

Pew would be okay, but your link is 8 years old. Gun killings are up significantly since then, and particularly since the pandemic.

 

[DrLove]

This is why we have gun crime in the U.S. in democrat party controlled cities...

Idaho is Democrat controlled?

 

[2aguy]

Your sources continue to suck. This is clearly a RW gunner site. I mean seriously? Just look at their other headlines.

One moment, please...

crimeresearch.org

Pew would be okay, but your link is 8 years old. Gun killings are up significantly since then, and particularly since the pandemic.

The numbers are from Pew....nice attempt to hide the truth.....so lame.

Gun killings are up since 2015...because the democrat party decided attacking the police was more important politically than keeping criminals from shooting people........

 

[2aguy]

Idaho is Democrat controlled?

You gave one shooting, that you couldn't link to.....then gave two shootings that were accidents........claiming concealed carry was the issue...

You failed, miserably, to defend your point, now you try to hide what you originally stated....

The Idaho discussion was created, by you, to condemn concealed carry on school campuses....you claimed it led to one death......one year after it was passed....and have failed to link to that shooting...

Then, since you couldn't find that shooting, you linked to two accidental shootings, that had no link to Boise state, other than one guy being a student there, both happened off campus, both had nothing to do with concealed carry, and neither one was an intentional criminal act...

Then you post that?

You fail in every way, then try to tap dance your way out of your mess....

 

[DrLove]

You still didn't link to the concealed carry holder on campus shooting someone..........I will wait...

Boise State parties dude. No need to wait.

 

[2aguy]

Boise State parties dude. No need to wait.

Again...not on campus...dude......no mention of concealed carry....dude......no mention that these were criminal acts....they were both accidental.....

Again......you are now lying to cover your fuck up.....

 

[2aguy]

Idaho is Democrat controlled?

Yep.....you failed...

Now...answer the question...

Please explain how this is possible...

4.7 million people with permits to carry guns to 19.4 million...

gun murder down 48%
Gun crime down 75%

Over 27 years....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

 

[DrLove]

You gave one shooting, that you couldn't link to.....then gave two shootings that were accidents........claiming concealed carry was the issue...

You failed, miserably, to defend your point, now you try to hide what you originally stated....

The Idaho discussion was created, by you, to condemn concealed carry on school campuses....you claimed it led to one death......one year after it was passed....and have failed to link to that shooting...

Then, since you couldn't find that shooting, you linked to two accidental shootings, that had no link to Boise state, other than one guy being a student there, both happened off campus, both had nothing to do with concealed carry, and neither one was an intentional criminal act...

Then you post that?

You fail in every way, then try to tap dance your way out of your mess....

Nay - one was deemed an “accident” by the defense. The state senators son killed in 2003 was shot because he flipped a little beer at the killer.

These are the sorts of things that used to be settled with fistfights. Now, apparently you just shoot them. In neither situation was the perp open carrying.

 

[DrLove]

Yep.....you failed...

Now...answer the question...

Please explain how this is possible...

4.7 million people with permits to carry guns to 19.4 million...

gun murder down 48%
Gun crime down 75%

Over 27 years....

Over the last 27 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 19.4 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2019...guess what happened...

New Concealed Carry Report For 2020: 19.48 Million Permit Holders, 820,000 More Than Last Year despite many states shutting down issuing permits because of the Coronavirus - Crime Prevention Research Center


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.


This means that access to guns does not create gun crime........

So you give me the Pew link from 2003 again and blame everything since on Democrats?

You fail bigly dude - Later gator

 

[2aguy]

Nay - one was deemed an “accident” by the defense. The state senators son killed in 2003 was shot because he flipped a little beer at the killer.

These are the sorts of things that used to be settled with fistfights. Now, apparently you just shoot them. In neither situation was the perp open carrying.

Again..you have nothing that says he was shot on purpose.....witnesses say he was shot after he flipped beer on the guy, without a timeline........you have nothing...

The shooting didn't take place on campus.......

You still have nothing....

Please...try to square the Hockey player shooting too...

 

[2aguy]

So you give me the Pew link from 2003 again and blame everything since on Democrats?

You fail bigly dude - Later gator

The story is from 2013.......

Two years before the democrat party declared war on police and started releasing violent gun offenders in masses...


The crime surge began in 2015......before that as we went from 4.7 million concealed carry permits to over 19.4 million gun murder went down 49%....gun crime went down 75%...27 years of increasing gun permits.....and both went down, not up....

So again, you have nothing........

That changed in 2015....when the Gentle Giant Riots were provoked by the democrat party and their war against the police started in hyper drive......they also decided to release violent gun criminals no matter the evidence of their gun crimes, no matter how many times they were arrested for gun crime....

 

[MisterBeale]

yet most high school shooters are white kids.

we need to stop stereotyping people and start dealing with issues, not perception.

Yes, and for the same reason, bullying.

I read that he did it because the same guy always robbed him, beat him and took his money.

Nothing to do with race.

 

[MisterBeale]

Suspected school shooter bullied for being wealthy, family says​

Suspected school shooter bullied for being wealthy, family says

The suspect of a high school shooting in Arlington, Texas, that injured four was previously bullied because of his family’s wealth, a family spokeswoman said.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

"The suspect of a high school shooting in Arlington, Texas , that injured four was previously bullied because of his family’s wealth, a family spokeswoman said.

“He was scared, he was afraid,” Carol Harrison-Lafayette said at a press conference outside the family’s home. “It wasn’t just one person that would attack him and bully him, taking his money, harassing him because he had more things than maybe others. It takes us all to stand together against this bullying. It could have been a situation where he took the other turn and decided to commit suicide.”

 

[candycorn]

1. How you know "black culture" has anything to do with it?

2. Why is that likely. This is a highschool. What's likely is the do 't even vote or care about party pitch.

4. What BLM have to do with it? School shootings and altercations involving guns long preceded BLM.

5. How?

For the right wing.... If whoever does something wrong is a member of your perceived political enemy camp....its a culture problem. If someone does something wrong who is in your camp; they are either a disturbed individual or an agent provocateur.

 

[iceberg]

Yes, and for the same reason, bullying.

I read that he did it because the same guy always robbed him, beat him and took his money.

Nothing to do with race.

yea, and to that degree, i do think it built up over time and we all explode when we can't take it anymore. it kinda mirrors society now. the left is all roughshod over anyone not them and attacking you when you disagree.

aka the feds now going after school kid parents. WHO THE FUCK THINKS THAT IS OK? anyone who feels "the end justifies the means" as came up in another convo. far too many people are wrapped up in what THEY feel they can't recognize the boundaries they cross so easily now to validate those emotions. ANYTHING is ok now.

you disagree, you are the enemy.

how long before people are simply tired of that and start hitting back? and as soon as they do, BAM - NOT FAIR THEY ARE VIOLENT they say while holding bats, bullying and the like.