Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom FROM Religion Foundation Complaint

[OldLady]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

I'll never understand that, when schools receiving federal funds can't so much as whisper Jesus.

 

[OldLady]

Snowflakes DON'T want Christians to pray, especially Christians and actively attempt to stop it.

Snowflakes DO want Muslims to Pray, even in public, and go as far as building special prayer rooms in schools for Muslims.

Snowflakes do not want peace, civility, or Unity through prayer in public, but they do want violent protests, violent intolerance, to control others by doing things like dictating when and where people can pray, and don't consider attempted assassinations of conservatives to be a problem or lack of Civility - they openly call for MORE.

Got it. Thanks, snowflakes...

Pray all you want at home, at church. Not at work. Can you deal with it?

 

[Lysistrata]

The Constitution prohibits the federal government from imposing any religion as law.

Just stay the hell out of people's way when they want to pray.

Don't participate if you don't want to.

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

 

[Auld Phart]

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

has something to do with the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED PART of the First Amendment

you should read it sometime

 

[easyt65]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

I'll never understand that, when schools receiving federal funds can't so much as whisper Jesus.

Govt hypocrisy?

Their insane need to control others but have the freedom to do what they want?

Go figure....

 

[Auld Phart]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

I'll never understand that, when schools receiving federal funds can't so much as whisper Jesus.

Tell ya what, OL


you remove the chaplains from the House and Senate, the military, etc, and I'll agree to keeping religion out of schools.

But if the first is legal, the second is illegal

 

[easyt65]

Snowflakes DON'T want Christians to pray, especially Christians and actively attempt to stop it.

Snowflakes DO want Muslims to Pray, even in public, and go as far as building special prayer rooms in schools for Muslims.

Snowflakes do not want peace, civility, or Unity through prayer in public, but they do want violent protests, violent intolerance, to control others by doing things like dictating when and where people can pray, and don't consider attempted assassinations of conservatives to be a problem or lack of Civility - they openly call for MORE.

Got it. Thanks, snowflakes...

Pray all you want at home, at church. Not at work. Can you deal with it?

Thank God and the Founding Fathers you can't impose restrictions on my religious freedoms.

 

[easyt65]

As long as their prayer is not part of an official governmental proceeding or included as part of the agenda of any governmental proceeding. Prayers are necessarily sectarian, but all of the community has an interest in the proper conduct of the public's business.

Have your prayer before the meeting or after it. Pray silently (yes! It can be done!) during it if you wish.

You showboaters are ridiculous. Nobody's kicking you out. The same terms are being applied to you as are applied to everyone else. What you want is a captive audience for your sectarian notions.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

 

[easyt65]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

I'll never understand that, when schools receiving federal funds can't so much as whisper Jesus.

Tell ya what, OL


you remove the chaplains from the House and Senate, the military, etc, and I'll agree to keeping religion out of schools.

But if the first is legal, the second is illegal

How about we just obey the Constitution and the govt just stay out of Americans' 'religion' ... And liberals stop trying to find ways to control other people's lives ... And stop attacking, harassing, beating, bloodying, and shooting anyone who does not agree with you / who will not comply with your demands...

 

[Lysistrata]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

I don't know what is funny as Willhaftawaite thinks it is. He apparently has no comprehension of what prayer is all about. It's free, sir! But prayer is not a theatrical performance. If you want to contact the Supreme Being of your choice, all you have to do is do it!

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

 

[Auld Phart]

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

I was laughing at you ignoring the First Amendment.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

 

[OldLady]

The United States Constitution Provides the Constitutional Right of Freedom OF Religion, not Freedom FROM Religion.

Shame on the LaPD for caving in to these anti-American Losers.


Attending the Prayer Vigil is much like a specific TV show on a channel on your TV:
-- If a TV show on your TV offends you, CHANGE THE DAMN CHANNEL!
-- If the thought of a prayer vigil offends you, DON'T GO!




Louisiana Police Department Stops Its Prayer Vigils Over Freedom From Religion Foundation Complaint


.

They even want the PD to stop having Chaplains.

What a bunch of assholes.

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

I'll never understand that, when schools receiving federal funds can't so much as whisper Jesus.

Tell ya what, OL


you remove the chaplains from the House and Senate, the military, etc, and I'll agree to keeping religion out of schools.

But if the first is legal, the second is illegal

I just don't understand why one is alright and the other not.

 

[OldLady]

Snowflakes DON'T want Christians to pray, especially Christians and actively attempt to stop it.

Snowflakes DO want Muslims to Pray, even in public, and go as far as building special prayer rooms in schools for Muslims.

Snowflakes do not want peace, civility, or Unity through prayer in public, but they do want violent protests, violent intolerance, to control others by doing things like dictating when and where people can pray, and don't consider attempted assassinations of conservatives to be a problem or lack of Civility - they openly call for MORE.

Got it. Thanks, snowflakes...

Pray all you want at home, at church. Not at work. Can you deal with it?

Thank God and the Founding Fathers you can't impose restrictions on my religious freedoms.

Pray all you want, but not at work or in my Town Meeting.

 

[Lysistrata]

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The city attorney was quoted in the linked article as saying that "doing away with the chaplaincy program would alienate those within the police department who are Christian." Why would this be so? Does the department provide chaplains to everyone, or just Christians of a certain denomination?

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway. The are plenty of community and religious organizations to organize such things as prayer vigils.

Remember that one cannot use the term "religion" with any accuracy because it is an extremely generic term. When people talk about "religion" they must specify which religion and which denomination or group within that religion to which they are referring.

A government agency should not be involved in religion, anyway.

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment. It is about not imposing someone's brand of sectarian religion on attendees at a public meeting. This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions. Just keep prayer off of the official agenda. Prayer is necessarily sectarian. Of what religion are you that you cannot attend a meeting for an hour or two without acting out?

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Is there any reason that you have to turn your religious beliefs into public theater?

This has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

This is detrimental to our democratic republic and the functioning of our public institutions.

only to snowflakes

Otherwise, you can address your deity in any way you wish, kneel, prostrate yourself, chant, sing, wave your hands at the sky. Do cartwheels. Whatever you wish.

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

 

[Auld Phart]

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

only to snowflakes

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

only to snowflakes

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

I see nothing in any of your links regarding 'Christian', or 'Alpha Center'.

(I checked the first 2 links before I asked you for one)

 

[Lysistrata]

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

I see nothing in any of your links regarding 'Christian', or 'Alpha Center'.

(I checked the first 2 links before I asked you for one)

These outlets deliberately hide their contacts, affiliations, and funding. They hide the qualifications, if any, of their staff.

You continue to avoid the question of why the law requires anyone to visit them. Why does the state government have anything to do with this? These are specific people and the law is forcing people to meet with them to discuss intimate personal matters without knowing anything about the backgrounds of the people who work there. Why is this? What interest does the state government have in forcing these contacts? Does the government intrude on the personal decisions that you make?

Moreover, what goes on in these forced meetings is kept secret. Why is this? Do the people at these centers touch their forced clients? Demand urine samples? Ask questions about their forced clients' personal lives? Give sectarian religious lectures? Give out unproven or debunked information?

 

[Auld Phart]

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

only to snowflakes

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

Why not?

Senate and House both open the session with a prayer.

Have, for the most part, since about 1789

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

Has everything to do with it.

or, are you still ignoring "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"​

only to snowflakes

Per the First Amendment, they have that right...

any damn place they want.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

I see nothing in any of your links regarding 'Christian', or 'Alpha Center'.

(I checked the first 2 links before I asked you for one)

These outlets deliberately hide their contacts, affiliations, and funding.

They hide them so well they can't be found, or you would have been able to supply a link.

The rest of your post stinks of Conspiracy Theory

 

[Lysistrata]

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

That is also unconstitutional

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

If they want to do it, do it outside of the meeting. If I attend a local government meeting on a sewer issue, I don't want Muslims unfurling their prayer rugs in the middle of of the city council's discussion of the sewer problem between Ninth and Main. Neither do I want to listen to some jeffress pointificate about whatever.

Why do you theatricals want to perform so much?

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

I see nothing in any of your links regarding 'Christian', or 'Alpha Center'.

(I checked the first 2 links before I asked you for one)

These outlets deliberately hide their contacts, affiliations, and funding.

They hide them so well they can't be found, or you would have been able to supply a link.

The rest of your post stinks of Conspiracy Theory

This is the one in Fort Collins
About Us | Alpha Center

This from Sioux Falls
Alpha Center Friends | Sioux Falls, SD
In SD, abortion counseling meant to discourage

You still have not explained why Big Government is forcing people to interact with these centers. If I had a problem with a pregnancy, these are the last people that I would want to talk to. I think that forcing people to discuss their personal problems with perfect strangers is totally unconstitutional. This is an instance of Big Government forcing a sectarian ideology on the public.

If anyone who the state is forcing me to talk to asks me any questions about my personal life, I will gladly tell them to go fuck themselves. Also, no one physically touches me.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

I see nothing in any of your links regarding 'Christian', or 'Alpha Center'.

(I checked the first 2 links before I asked you for one)

These outlets deliberately hide their contacts, affiliations, and funding.

They hide them so well they can't be found, or you would have been able to supply a link.

The rest of your post stinks of Conspiracy Theory

This is the one in Fort Collins
About Us | Alpha Center

This from Sioux Falls
Alpha Center Friends | Sioux Falls, SD
In SD, abortion counseling meant to discourage

You still have not explained why Big Government is forcing people to interact with these centers. If I had a problem with a pregnancy, these are the last people that I would want to talk to. I think that forcing people to discuss their personal problems with perfect strangers is totally unconstitutional. This is an instance of Big Government forcing a sectarian ideology on the public.

If anyone who the state is forcing me to talk to asks me any questions about my personal life, I will gladly tell them to go fuck themselves. Also, no one physically touches me.

Thank you! I have been on the sidelines for a while here- other obligations- but you are certainly holding your own with these morons.!!

 

[Auld Phart]

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The constitution does not impose hostility to religion, which is what the FFR idiots want.

The constitution imposes neutrality toward religion. Unfortunately people are violating this.

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies regardless of the woman's own religion. State law is being used to funnel these people into a sectarian religious indoctrination session as a condition of exercising their constitutional rights.

The meeting doesn't officially start until AFTER the prayer....

So why don't you have your prayers before the start of the meeting? Before the attendees are seated? If a meeting is scheduled for 7:00, why not have your group prayers at 6:50 if you want them so much?

There is a situation currently in South Dakota, in which the law has been abused to require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies

" require people who want an abortion to attend "counseling" at centers operated by "Christian" fundies"

link?

South Dakota Bill Regarding Pre-Abortion Counseling (SB 110) - Rewire.News

The South Dakota legislature has passed a law that requires women to attend indoctrination sessions at something known as the "Alpha Center," a place known to be operated by "Christian" fundies
Current Laws :: NARAL Pro-Choice South Dakota

Why would there be a LAW, enacted by a state legislative body that requires people who have decided to abort a pregnancy to meet with a fundie group? How is the state involved with this? What is this state government's connection with this fundie group? Why should people who have decided to have an abortion waste their time, anyway?

Now you provide a link.

I see nothing in any of your links regarding 'Christian', or 'Alpha Center'.

(I checked the first 2 links before I asked you for one)

These outlets deliberately hide their contacts, affiliations, and funding.

They hide them so well they can't be found, or you would have been able to supply a link.

The rest of your post stinks of Conspiracy Theory

This is the one in Fort Collins
About Us | Alpha Center

This from Sioux Falls
Alpha Center Friends | Sioux Falls, SD
In SD, abortion counseling meant to discourage

You still have not explained why Big Government is forcing people to interact with these centers. If I had a problem with a pregnancy, these are the last people that I would want to talk to. I think that forcing people to discuss their personal problems with perfect strangers is totally unconstitutional. This is an instance of Big Government forcing a sectarian ideology on the public.

If anyone who the state is forcing me to talk to asks me any questions about my personal life, I will gladly tell them to go fuck themselves. Also, no one physically touches me.

you must be a lot of fun in an emergency room.

You still have not explained why Big Government is forcing people to interact with these centers.

and you STILL haven't provided a link showing the STATE is 'forcing' people interested in getting an abortion to attend these particular centers.