Looking More and More Like 1920's Germany

[Annie]

Problem is, it's not just Germany:

The writing is on the synagogue wall | Denis MacShane - Times Online

From The Times
February 16, 2009
The writing is on the synagogue wall
World depressions lead to a rise in anti-Semitism. All over Europe, the evidence is around us
Denis MacShane

The periodic crises that have shaken world capitalism in the century and a half since Marx wrote Das Kapital are marked by a common political phenomenon. It is the rise of political anti-Semitism. Attacks on Jews and Jewishness constitute the canary in the coal mine that tells us something is going seriously wrong...

...The Metropolitan Police report four times as many anti-Jewish incidents in recent weeks as Islamaphobic events. The respected Community Security Trust, which records anti-Jewish attacks with scrupulous rigour, reports as many attacks on Jews - verbal, vandalism and some violent - in the first weeks of 2009 as in the first six months of last year.

As the world enters a new era of crisis, anti-Semitism is back. History, as ever, begins to repeat itself. The slumps and stock market fever expressed in Zola's novel, L'Argent, or the populist anger against Wall Street at the end of the 19th century gave rise to the virulent anti-Semitic politics witnessed in France in connection with the Dreyfus case or the takeover of Vienna by openly anti-Semitic politicians. The Great Depression gave rise to the worst expressions of anti-Semitism ever seen, namely the politics that led to the Holocaust. But even in Britain the Duke of Wellington of the time was leader of a secret anti-Jewish organisation which had the initials PJ - Perish Judah - on its letterhead.

The economic crises of the 1970s led to a marked increase in the vote for the National Front in Britain and the openly anti-Semitic BNP, its successor extreme party, is doing very well in local elections - below the radar of the national opinion polls....

...Is it unreasonable to argue that the reason that there is worldwide anger against Israel but not against other regimes or religions that carry out massacres of Muslims is because the Israelis are Jews? Has legitimate criticism and anger against Israel allowed Jew hate to become almost acceptable politics again? Add to this a world economic crisis in which it is so easy to point at the names of the swindlers and banksters that happen to be Jewish, and a new perfect storm of anti-Semitism begins to take shape.

Today in London a conference of parliamentarians from different legislatures in Europe and around the world will gather to discuss what can be done. Michael Gove, for the Conservatives, will join Labour Cabinet ministers Hazel Blears and Jim Murphy in saying it is time for the Parliaments of the democractic world to take action against anti-Semitism - especially Islamist attacks against young Jewish students on university campuses.

The Pope embraces a Holocaust-denying Winchester and Cambridge-educated bishop; slogans such as “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas” are chanted in Amsterdam;

Jews are again made to feel they are not full citizens of the countries of their birth because they refuse to support the right of Hamas and Hezbollah to use terror attacks against Israeli civilians. The canary in the coal mine seems in danger of its life once again.

Denis MacShane, MP, is a former Minister for Europe and the author of Globalising Hatred: the New Anti-Semitism (Weidenfeld & Nicolson)

 

[editec]

The new anti-Semitism is just like the old anti-Semitism...except now it includes Palestinians, too.

 

[jillian]

anti-semitism has nothing to do with palestinians.

someone who works with words, shouldn't be trying to change understood meanings to suit some other purpose.

 

[Anguille]

Palestinian people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

DNA and genetic studies

Palestinian coffee house in Jerusalem, c. 1858



Palestinian children in Nazareth


In genetic genealogy studies, Palestinians and Negev Bedouins have the highest rates of Haplogroup J1 (Y-DNA) among all populations tested (62.5%).[72] Semitic populations, including Jews, usually possess an excess of J1 Y chromosomes compared to other populations harboring Y-haplogroup J.[73][74][75][76][77][78][79] The haplogroup J1, associated with marker M267, originates south of the Levant and was first disseminated from there into Ethiopia and Europe in Neolithic times. In Jewish populations J1 has a rate of around 15%, with haplogroup J2 (M172) (of eight sub-Haplogroups) being almost twice as common as J1 among Jews (<29%). J1 is most common in the southern Levant, as well as Syria, Iraq, Algeria, and Arabia, and drops sharply at the border of non-semitic areas like Turkey and Iran. A second diffusion of the J1 marker took place in the seventh century CE when Arabians brought it from Arabia to North Africa.[75]
Haplogroup J1 (Y-DNA) includes the modal haplotype of the Galilee Arabs (Nebel et al. 2000) and of Moroccan Arabs (Bosch et al. 2001) and the sister Modal Haplotype of the Cohanim, the "Cohan Modale Haplotype", representing the descendents of the priestly caste Aaron.[80][81][82]. J2 is known to be related to the ancient Greek movements and is found mainly in Europe and the central Mediterranean (Italy, the Balkans, Greece).
According to a 2002 study by Nebel et al., on Genetic evidence for the expansion of Arabian tribes, the highest frequency of Eu10 (i.e. J1) (30%&#8211;62.5%) has been observed so far in various Muslim Arab populations in the Middle East. (Semino et al. 2000; Nebel et al. 2001).[83] The term &#8220;Arab,&#8221; as well as the presence of Arabs in the Syrian desert and the Fertile Crescent, is first seen in the Assyrian sources from the 9th century B.C.E. (Eph'al 1984).[84]
In recent years, many genetic surveys have suggested that, at least paternally, most of the various Jewish ethnic divisions and the Palestinians &#8212; and in some cases other Levantines &#8212; are genetically closer to each other than the Palestinians or European Jews to non-Jewish Europeans (Nebel et al. 2000 study].[85]
However, a follow-up [Nebel et al. 2001 study] corrected that Jews were found to be more closely related to north of the Fertile Crescent (Kurds, Turks,and Armenians) than to their Arab neighbors.[86][87] The same study of Nebel 2001 also suggest that Bedouins from the Levant and Palestinians, represent "early lineages derived from the Neolithic inhabitants of the area" albeit with "additional lineages from more-recent population movements.", largely from the Arabian Peninsula. Another study, [88] referring to those of the Muslim faith more specifically, reaffirmed that Palestinian "Muslim Arabs are descended from Christians and Jews who lived in the southern Levant, a region that includes Israel, Sinai and part of Jordan."

 

[jillian]

irrelevant.

the word anti-semitism has a specific meaning.

the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people

http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&star...mitism&usg=AFQjCNHKwvGzjO7bk7iZg-uwDcltiSjTPQ

 

[Sunni Man]

You can label it anti semitism or any other name you want.

But in reality, it's just people getting feed up with the parasitic behavior of the Jews.

They enter a host country and slowly drain it of it's money and morals.

Then one day the people wake up and see that their country has been invaded by a disease.

The people then rise up and rid themselves of this debilitating human plague.

It has happened in history 109 times.

No doubt it will happen again.

I wonder if the 110 time will be America or another country?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You can label it anti semitism or any other name you want.

But in reality, it's just people getting feed up with the parasitic behavior of the Jews.

They enter a host country and slowly drain it of it's money and morals.

Then one day the people wake up and see that their country has been invaded by a disease.

The people then rise up and rid themselves of this debilitating human plague.

It has happened in history 109 times.

No doubt it will happen again.

I wonder if the 110 time will be America or another country?

REMIND US AGAIN, how you have nothing against Jews?

 

[Anguille]

irrelevant.

the word anti-semitism has a specific meaning.

the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people

WordNet Search - 3.0

So why do you abuse it?

Don't presume to correct editec if you can't restrain yourself either.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

irrelevant.

the word anti-semitism has a specific meaning.

the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people

WordNet Search - 3.0

So why do you abuse it?

Don't presume to correct editec if you can't restrain yourself either.

Editec is misusing it not Jillian.

 

[dilloduck]

irrelevant.

the word anti-semitism has a specific meaning.



WordNet Search - 3.0

So why do you abuse it?

Don't presume to correct editec if you can't restrain yourself either.

Editec is misusing it not Jillian.

Garbage---some people will call you an anti-semite if you don't like a Mel Brooks movie

 

[editec]

irrelevant.

the word anti-semitism has a specific meaning.

the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people

WordNet Search - 3.0

It does to you, perhaps.

To the rest of us who actually care about words conveying meanings that are consitent and make sense, the Semetic people are ALL those whose language is Semetic

One who hates Jews solely is a Jew-Hater...or as I like to prefer to call them: a fucking asshole Jew-hater.

Proper nounSingular
Semite
Plural
-


Semite

source

1. a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
2. descendant of these peoples.
3. a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
4. a descendant of the biblical Patriarch Shem.

 

[Anguille]

irrelevant.

the word anti-semitism has a specific meaning.

the intense dislike for and prejudice against Jewish people

WordNet Search - 3.0

It does to you, perhaps.

To the rest of us who actually care about words conveying meanings that are consitent and make sense, the Semetic people are ALL those whose language is Semetic

One who hates Jews solely is a Jew-Hater...or as I like to prefer to call them: a fucking asshole Jew-hater.

Proper nounSingular
Semite
Plural
-


Semite


source

1. a member of any of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs.
2. descendant of these peoples.
3. a member of a modern people speaking a Semitic language.
4. a descendant of the biblical Patriarch Shem.

Since not all Jews are Semitic, Jew hater is a better word.
Maybe anti-Semitic sounds more powerful to some, they want to make it sound like a racial/ethnic versus a culteral/religious prejudice? As if doing that will give it more palatable. Who knows? I just prefer it when people are honest and direct.

 

[Gurdari]

anti-semitism has nothing to do with palestinians.

someone who works with words, shouldn't be trying to change understood meanings to suit some other purpose.

Semitic refers to many people of that region, arabs included.

Semitic:
"...of, relating to, or constituting a subfamily of the Afro-Asiatic language family that includes Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, and Amharic "

 

[Anguille]

Problem is, it's not just Germany:

The writing is on the synagogue wall | Denis MacShane - Times Online

From The Times
February 16, 2009
The writing is on the synagogue wall
World depressions lead to a rise in anti-Semitism. All over Europe, the evidence is around us
Denis MacShane

The periodic crises that have shaken world capitalism in the century and a half since Marx wrote Das Kapital are marked by a common political phenomenon. It is the rise of political anti-Semitism. Attacks on Jews and Jewishness constitute the canary in the coal mine that tells us something is going seriously wrong...

...The Metropolitan Police report four times as many anti-Jewish incidents in recent weeks as Islamaphobic events. The respected Community Security Trust, which records anti-Jewish attacks with scrupulous rigour, reports as many attacks on Jews - verbal, vandalism and some violent - in the first weeks of 2009 as in the first six months of last year.

As the world enters a new era of crisis, anti-Semitism is back. History, as ever, begins to repeat itself. The slumps and stock market fever expressed in Zola's novel, L'Argent, or the populist anger against Wall Street at the end of the 19th century gave rise to the virulent anti-Semitic politics witnessed in France in connection with the Dreyfus case or the takeover of Vienna by openly anti-Semitic politicians. The Great Depression gave rise to the worst expressions of anti-Semitism ever seen, namely the politics that led to the Holocaust. But even in Britain the Duke of Wellington of the time was leader of a secret anti-Jewish organisation which had the initials PJ - Perish Judah - on its letterhead.

The economic crises of the 1970s led to a marked increase in the vote for the National Front in Britain and the openly anti-Semitic BNP, its successor extreme party, is doing very well in local elections - below the radar of the national opinion polls....

...Is it unreasonable to argue that the reason that there is worldwide anger against Israel but not against other regimes or religions that carry out massacres of Muslims is because the Israelis are Jews? Has legitimate criticism and anger against Israel allowed Jew hate to become almost acceptable politics again? Add to this a world economic crisis in which it is so easy to point at the names of the swindlers and banksters that happen to be Jewish, and a new perfect storm of anti-Semitism begins to take shape.

Today in London a conference of parliamentarians from different legislatures in Europe and around the world will gather to discuss what can be done. Michael Gove, for the Conservatives, will join Labour Cabinet ministers Hazel Blears and Jim Murphy in saying it is time for the Parliaments of the democractic world to take action against anti-Semitism - especially Islamist attacks against young Jewish students on university campuses.

The Pope embraces a Holocaust-denying Winchester and Cambridge-educated bishop; slogans such as “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas” are chanted in Amsterdam;

Jews are again made to feel they are not full citizens of the countries of their birth because they refuse to support the right of Hamas and Hezbollah to use terror attacks against Israeli civilians. The canary in the coal mine seems in danger of its life once again.

Denis MacShane, MP, is a former Minister for Europe and the author of Globalising Hatred: the New Anti-Semitism (Weidenfeld & Nicolson)

Hey Annie! Slightly off topic but I saw the most fantastic production of Cabaret 2 weeks ago. Way better than the movie and almost as good as the books. I almost went back for a second show.
I think you would have loved it.

 

[Shogun]

Duh. don't you silly fuckers know that if you deny a jew the exclusivity of a preferred double standard then you must be the hidden satanic progeny of hitler and the antichrist? It's three shades of fucking HILARIOUS to watch jill insist that antisemitism cannot apply to anyone BUT jews.

classic, really.

 

[Shogun]

You can label it anti semitism or any other name you want.

But in reality, it's just people getting feed up with the parasitic behavior of the Jews.

They enter a host country and slowly drain it of it's money and morals.

Then one day the people wake up and see that their country has been invaded by a disease.

The people then rise up and rid themselves of this debilitating human plague.

It has happened in history 109 times.

No doubt it will happen again.

I wonder if the 110 time will be America or another country?

REMIND US AGAIN, how you have nothing against Jews?

Why don't you remind us how you have nothing against muslims first, rapture boy.

 

[Annie]

You can label it anti semitism or any other name you want.

But in reality, it's just people getting feed up with the parasitic behavior of the Jews.

They enter a host country and slowly drain it of it's money and morals.

Then one day the people wake up and see that their country has been invaded by a disease.

The people then rise up and rid themselves of this debilitating human plague.

It has happened in history 109 times.

No doubt it will happen again.

I wonder if the 110 time will be America or another country?

REMIND US AGAIN, how you have nothing against Jews?

Why don't you remind us how you have nothing against muslims first, rapture boy.

Yet that wasn't the topic. What is the percentage of Jews in Europe? Palestinians? Rates of crime? Rates of being a victim of hate crime? Crimes against mosques? Crimes against synagogs?

 

[Shogun]

REMIND US AGAIN, how you have nothing against Jews?

Why don't you remind us how you have nothing against muslims first, rapture boy.

Yet that wasn't the topic. What is the percentage of Jews in Europe? Palestinians? Rates of crime? Rates of being a victim of hate crime? Crimes against mosques? Crimes against synagogs?

It's a direct rebuttal to a guy whose accusations do not trump his own posted hatred. Trying to deflect with some laughable "crime against mosques" pile of shit is no less than retarded. Hell, you think no mosques were damaged post-9/11? What the fuck do you think that says about American attitudes toward equality in the US despite racism? Not so quick to don THAT mantle, are you?

 

[Munin]

Problem is, it's not just Germany:

The writing is on the synagogue wall | Denis MacShane - Times Online

... slogans such as &#8220;Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas&#8221; are chanted in Amsterdam; ...

No it is not Europeans, it is mostly immigrants in Europe. Manly muslims (there are about 3 million muslims living in Germany, mostly concentrated in big cities), a lot of them have immigrated recently.

3% of all Germans are Turkish muslims.



In amsterdam it is also only the muslims who shout these slogans, not the native population. 5.8% (1 million muslims in a country that only has 16 million people) of all dutch people are muslims ( Islam in the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ), which has almost been a colonization if you remember that just 50 years ago that was just 0%.



The only Europeans that are running in those marches are political socialists, who try to gain votes among the muslims. But they themselves are disgusted by the anti-semitism (European Nations are still very sensitive about the holocaust).


No, europe is not getting anti-semitic. It is only getting immigrated by more muslims, who have very strong anti-semitic beliefs.

 

[Shogun]

Do you have any evidence that proves a correlation you are suggesting or should we just take your word for it?