Look at all the pretty windmills....

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    We invest in wind farms. The IRRs are about 10%.

    So I’m not sure where you are getting your information.
     
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    I have a good friend who is an executive at one of the largest power companies in the US.

    He tells me that most power companies are putting in stupid solar arrays and wind farms.

    However, it is not to produce useful energy. The "green" projects are always an inefficient generation. Tremendously inefficient. Big waste.

    They do it because of the requirements of the EU banks, that supply operating lines of credit and expansion capital to US companies. The stupid EU requires that the banks invest in filthy green technology and that is the only way the American companies can borrow the billions needed to keep their companies operating. It is a big scam by the Euro trash Environmental Wackos.

    It is even worse because all the stupid projects are subsidized by the idiot US government on both the Federal and state level. As tax payers we are all paying for this stupidity.
     
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    so pretty--like flowers ..I like to gather flowers that are pretty
     
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    Take away government subsidies and mandated green requirements and that would go to almost zero.
     
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    LOL! I doubt that.
     
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    You can doubt it all you want. Moon Bat denial is something we are use to hearing. However, that is a credible explanation of why the power companies are spending money on creating solar and wind farms that really don't do jackshit to produce energy compared to fossil fuels.
     
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    Nothing can be prettier than Mt. top removal.
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    First, the point was your inability to back up any of the fraud that you tried to peddle. You are so busted. You're still running away.

    Second, I genuinely didn't think common knowledge needed to be documented.

    Humans behind majority of raptor deaths in Ontario, Canada
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    Among deceased raptors submitted to the Canadian Wildlife Health Cooperative over a 23-year period, a majority of the wild birds died of trauma and starvation, said pathobiology professor Nicole Nemeth.

    "The most common cause of death was from trauma, which often included colliding with a vehicle or flying into stationary objects, such as buildings," said Nemeth.
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    You should have learned by now that, unlike you, I can always back up what I say.

    That's because you didn't spend the 10 seconds needed to learn more than you knew. You can spout the cult talking points, and you don't want to know any more than that.

    You just made that up too. That's why you won't be able to back it up.

    Proceed now to piss and scream more, to divert from your complete inability to back up any of your conspiracy babbling.
     
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    Poor hairball...do you never tire of being made a fool of? One doofus in Ontario agrees with you? How pathetic is that?

    Here, some actual science on the topic.


    psw_gtr191_1029-1042_erickson.pdf


    Clip: In general, these studies focused on obtaining raptor fatality estimates with other bird fatalities recorded coincidentally. An early 2-year study documented 182 bird deaths on study plots, 68 percent of which were raptors and 26 percent of which were passerines. The most common raptor fatalities were Red-tailed Hawk (36 percent), American Kestrel (Falco sparvarius) (13 percent), and Golden Eagle (11 percent). Causes of raptor mortality included collisions with turbines (55 percent), elec- trocutions (8 percent), and wire collisions (11 percent).


    No..the fact is that you rarely have anything to back up your claims...and when you do, it is like the above...only looking at ontario.

    10 seconds is about all you spent...that is why you produced a steaming pile rather than useful information.
     
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    Let's reference the parts of the paper that you conveniently left out. I do so enjoy destroying you with your own sources.

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    Based on the estimates derived or reviewed in this paper, annual bird mortality from anthropogenic sources may easily approach 1 billion birds a year in the US alone (table 2). Buildings, power lines and cats are estimated to comprise approximately 82 percent of the mortality, vehicles 8 percent, pesticides 7 percent, communication towers 0.5 percent, and wind turbines 0.003 percent.
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    Hmmm. 82% vs 0.003%. And yet you focus on the 0.003%.

    Let's try some more.
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    The high levels of raptor mortality associated with the Altamont wind plant has not been documented at newer wind plants constructed in other states (table 1).
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    Everyone agrees Altamont is a crappy spot for wind turbines, and the turbines there are of old fast-spinning bird-killing design. That would mean focusing exclusively on Altamont is a very dishonest cherrypicking fallacy. Thus, it's your go-to tactic.

    Let's look exclusively at the raptors.
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    Based on these statistics, we estimate 933 raptors are killed annually (2003) by turbines in the United States,
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    That's including Altamont.

    933 for all raptors is nuthin'. Red-tailed hawks number about 2 million. Kestrels, about 4 million. And yet you're yammering about "extinction", meaning you don't appear to be sane.
     
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