Longest Running Experiment of Evolution Hits a Dead End

[Weatherman2020]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

 

[fncceo]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

You mean the experiment doesn't understand evolution. The article simply reported on the longest running experiment on evolution ending in failure.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

 

[Wuwei]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

That's a very interesting study. It is well known that viruses can inject their own DNA into a host. It is also well known that viruses have been seen to mutate many times over the course of decades. Fast mutating viruses would add a more realistic real world dimension to the experiment, rather than using the sterile concoction of glucose and citrate as an environment.

Viruses may be the foundation for mutations and probably would have lead to evolutionary changes if added to Richard Lenski's flasks.

 

[Weatherman2020]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

That's a very interesting study. It is well known that viruses can inject their own DNA into a host. It is also well known that viruses have been seen to mutate many times over the course of decades. Fast mutating viruses would add a more realistic real world dimension to the experiment, rather than using the sterile concoction of glucose and citrate as an environment.

Viruses may be the foundation for mutations and probably would have lead to evolutionary changes if added to Richard Lenski's flasks.

When a virus mutates it only changes shape to keep the immune system from killing it.

 

[LuckyDuck]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

Hate to break it to you, but you will find a good example of evolution changing a species in a short time if you check out the physical changes that have occurred with the "fence lizard" which when exposed to fire ants, over a short period, changed their legs and body habits.
Also, one need only look at the evolution of the horse.

 

[Weatherman2020]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

Hate to break it to you, but you will find a good example of evolution changing a species in a short time if you check out the physical changes that have occurred with the "fence lizard" which when exposed to fire ants, over a short period, changed their legs and body habits.
Also, one need only look at the evolution of the horse.

Making a Goldendoodle dog does not mean any species has been transformed into another.

As I posted in another thread, DNA shows a clear distinction between all species.

 

[Syriusly]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

LOL- the dead giveaway in the article- is this quote:

Despite a flood of challenges since the publication of The Origin of Species, the scientific evidence found in nature is increasingly best explainable by the Genesis record written by Moses.

With absolutely nothing to support that conclusion

LOL

 

[Weatherman2020]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

LOL- the dead giveaway in the article- is this quote:

Despite a flood of challenges since the publication of The Origin of Species, the scientific evidence found in nature is increasingly best explainable by the Genesis record written by Moses.

With absolutely nothing to support that conclusion

LOL

Dead giveaway is this study ended in a dead end unable to show evolution and the DNA study showing man and apes and almost every animal appeared at the same time and have clear divisions in DNA.

 

[Syriusly]

Inside Dr. Richard Lenski’s Ambitious, 30-Year Experiment

About 31,000 generations later, 11 of 12 strains still relied solely on glucose for energy to reproduce, but one strain developed the ability to eat citrate too. Consequently, these citrate-using bacteria were able to grow much better in the glucose-poor/citrate-rich media than their 11 sibling strains. Ta da! Evolution happened right there on the bench-top, and simply opening a freezer door could reveal exactly when and how these changes took place. Using their handy frozen fossil record, researchers revived ancestors in the lineage that gave rise to citrate-eating bacteria and showed the steps that needed to happen for this new trait to come about.

So, where do these new traits come from? Lenski’s E. coli research supports the idea that new traits arise from just the right combinations of random genetic changes that, while extremely rare, do happen given enough time. Some DNA mutations don’t cause any obvious change to an organism at all. Other mutations are incredibly harmful, like the mutations in the human BRCA1 gene that make some people susceptible to breast cancer. But once in a very long while, beneficial genetic changes occur that make an organism fitter, happier, more productive… each new generation has a chance to explore new improvements.

 

[Syriusly]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

LOL- the dead giveaway in the article- is this quote:

Despite a flood of challenges since the publication of The Origin of Species, the scientific evidence found in nature is increasingly best explainable by the Genesis record written by Moses.

With absolutely nothing to support that conclusion

LOL

Dead giveaway is this study ended in a dead end unable to show evolution and the DNA study showing man and apes and almost every animal appeared at the same time and have clear divisions in DNA.

LOL except of course- that the study actually showed bacteria evolving.

Except for that.

 

[Crepitus]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

That idiot misinterpreted the results so badly it has to be deliberate.

 

[Weatherman2020]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

That idiot misinterpreted the results so badly it has to be deliberate.

The study didn't end? Do tell.

 

[Syriusly]

The man who bottled evolution

 

[Weatherman2020]

68,000 generations and the experiment ends in not showing any signs of evolution.

"Science brings one nearer to God."
-Louis Pasteur

Longest Evolution Experiment Dead-End - Richard William Nelson

LOL- the dead giveaway in the article- is this quote:

Despite a flood of challenges since the publication of The Origin of Species, the scientific evidence found in nature is increasingly best explainable by the Genesis record written by Moses.

With absolutely nothing to support that conclusion

LOL

Dead giveaway is this study ended in a dead end unable to show evolution and the DNA study showing man and apes and almost every animal appeared at the same time and have clear divisions in DNA.

LOL except of course- that the study actually showed bacteria evolving.

Except for that.

"Flask #9 was Lenski’s best shot for uncovering evidence for an evolutionary event amongst the estimated hundreds of millions of mutations over the past 30 years – translating to more than a million years of human evolution (sic). But, the holy grail of evolution, speciation, never happened.

Laboratory experiments repeatedly demonstrate how bacteria, while having an incalculable capacity for change, continue as from the beginning. Bacteria have not “been one of the great vindications of the theory of evolution,” as touted by the University of Colorado.

By starting with E. coli and ending with E. coli, Lenski’s laboratory project now has the distinction as the industry’s longest evolution experiment dead-end."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

You mean the experiment doesn't understand evolution. The article simply reported on the longest running experiment on evolution ending in failure.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

They're helpful to all sorts of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

You mean the experiment doesn't understand evolution. The article simply reported on the longest running experiment on evolution ending in failure.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

They're helpful to all sorts of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

A virus changing shape is still a virus.

It wasn't my study and it wasn't me to call for its end.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

You mean the experiment doesn't understand evolution. The article simply reported on the longest running experiment on evolution ending in failure.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

They're helpful to all sorts of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

A virus changing shape is still a virus.

It wasn't my study and it wasn't me to call for its end.

A virus changing shape is still a virus.

Bacteria....much bigger than viruses.
Viruses also benefit from mutations.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

Wow.....that's some bad research.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

You mean the experiment doesn't understand evolution. The article simply reported on the longest running experiment on evolution ending in failure.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

And no, mutations are not beneficial to any organism.

They're helpful to all sorts of antibiotic resistant bacteria.

A virus changing shape is still a virus.

It wasn't my study and it wasn't me to call for its end.

A virus changing shape is still a virus.

Bacteria....much bigger than viruses.
Viruses also benefit from mutations.

And as I posted in another thread, DNA research shows humans, apes, aardvarks, etc all appeared at the same time, less than 200K years ago according to their timescale.

Wow.....that's some bad research.

Yes, ignore any science without looking at it that threatens what they brainwashed you into believing.

Massive Genetic Study Reveals 90 Percent Of Earth’s Animals Appeared At The Same Time

 

[toobfreak]

Unfortunately, that article a fatal misunderstanding of how evolution functions.

Genetic mutation doesn't happen to adapt fitness to the environment. Genetic mutations are unrelated to the suitability of the organism to survive. Genes have no way of perceiving the requirements of survival in the environment. Genetic mutations are spontaneous and random and are mostly inconsequential to the organism, frequently harmful, and only occasionally useful in adaptability to the environment. When a mutation is useful, that increases the likelihood of it being passed on to future generations.

The experiment proves that organisms mutate and that those mutations are passed on. It would be highly unlikely for a major adaptive change to occur -- particularly in the closed and controlled environment of the experiment -- in as few as 70,000 generations. Human evolution happened over 85 million years or 6.5 million generations.

Everything you say is quite right, except that last part. Hominids first appeared about 6 million years ago. Bipeds about 4 million years ago and genus Homo about 2 million years ago, so there was about a 2 million year stretch between each major development; assuming 20 years per generation, that is about 100,000 generations. But your point is valid: removed from the process of natural selection, where accidentally beneficial mutations give rise to better adaptation to an ever-changing environment, the study means little in and by itself.