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    “With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed

    The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
    ― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man ."

    So who here agrees with Darwin and who disagrees?
     
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    I agree. If we hadn't helped the helpless, then we wouldn't have so many liberals.
     
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    ^ doesn’t know red states have the highest participation rates for food stamps and welfare
     
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    Speaking as a scientist, do scientists here have a problem with Darwin speaking of "evil" and our "noble nature"?
     
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    Scientist are first human. I don't have a problem with it.
     
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    I agree with the premise Darwin Presents. Because we have become "civilized" and we help the weak that would otherwise not survive to reproduce, our species is becoming less resilient in some ways. This could be why so many kids today suffer form peanut allergies today, among other things.

    On the other hand, we more than make up for this propagation of weakness through technological advances. Many diseases may soon be cured or eliminated through genetic engineering. Though the ethics is questionable, genetic engineering has the potential of advancing our species exponentially more quickly and efficiently than natural selection ever could.
     
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    I agree with the premise. Someone went one step further and said that with more intelligent women seeking careers and not having babies, the gene pool is degrading further.
     
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    Intra-species competition is the norm for all of nature.
    The more 'fit' or adapted, or evolved, usually supplant other subspecies/races when they contact.
    Those Homo, Human, etc, goups have always wiped out the weaker when given the chance.

    In the last 75 years of so, for the first time in the history of nature/evolution/ANY specie, more able human groups have in good part stopped using their competitive advantages. Genocide and Colonialism by First World countries has stopped and reversed.
    Even more recently, the Birth Rates of the most advantaged of the Species have plummeted, and along with aid, their cures for diseases (Polio, AIDS, Ebola, Malaria, etc, etc) have let third world group's populations explode. Even privately, people like Bill Gates are giving Tens of Billions of First World money to the Third.

    So, again, for the first time in the Billion+ year history of Evo, the less able are out-reproducing/out-surviving the more able.
    To such a point, that Immigration from those now overpopulated countries/areas/groups is changing the demographic of the First World countries.

    Dysgenic.
    abu afak/mbig
     
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