turzovka
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I made my choice....it's the same one these men made:
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding" ~Thomas Jefferson~ excerpt from a letter to John Adams
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own--a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human fraility. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive, and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in nature." ~Dr. Albert Einstein~
When somebody believes they will rise from the grave, join their ghost pal floating in the clouds and live an eternal life of bliss while I roast in a pit because I don't share their belief....they've got it bad.
Who said you are going to roast in a pit? You lie, so dont use that as your big excuse for dismissing the faith.
Is Jefferson Gods prophet? Is he to be more esteemed than St. Francis of Assissi? How about St. John Vianney who battled with the literal devil almost nightly and demonstrated miraculous gifts on a regular basis? Is it because it was so long ago that allows you to laugh it off?
Really, have you ever stopped and thought just how unfair and myopic are your reasons for denying the truth the obvious truth? You just cannot see how pride clouds reason.
The KJ version uses the word "hell" 31 times, but it interesting to note that the same Hebrew word Sheol was also translated into two other words, "grave" and "pit."
In the "New Testiment," the King James Version translates the Greek word "hades" in all 10 places it occurs, as "hell." The King James Version also uses the word "hell" or "hellfire" when translating the Greek word "Gehenna" 12 times.
Matthew 5
22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
Revelations 21
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
There's plenty more. There are 162 mentions of hell in the new testament...70 of them by Jesus.
No one (of my ilk) is denying there is a hell, cammmpbell. Nor am I suggesting some do not end up there. I would never tell you who or why (with any certaintly), though.
But my question was "who said YOU are going there or deserve it?" I did not. The Catholic Church did not. The Catholic Church has never ruled or proclaimed that any man is in hell, not even Judas. So the accusation that we are judging you is highly volatile and unfair.
The Catholic Church has said in its councils in various forms (paraphrase) that "those through no fault of their own (i.e. not having known or been rightfully exposed to the gospel) may still very well be saved." It goes on to intimate that they will likely be judged based on their charity (or lack of it) or violations of their own conscience. Stuff along those lines.