Life without Risk

[manifold]

What would it be like if liberals ruled the world?

We're living it right now here in the good old US of A. Liberals have been running this country since day one and IMO, things aren't so bad.

 

[Bern80]

There is an element of truth to that sentiment...one that thinking liberals quite agree with, you know.

Sadly, far too many radical libertopians fail to understand that taken to the extremes they seem to advocate, there is an element of truth to my over the top posting in this thread, too.

The devil is in the details, but don't for a moment imagine that many of us who are (by the definitions of radical libertopians, socialists) don't understand that welfare can be a disaster no less than moving too far in the other direction.

Finding the balance between individual liberty, and the rights of society to mitigate those freedoms is what thinking convatives and thinking liberals have been all about all along.

Sadly thinking liberal and thinking conservatives are painted with the same broad brushes as being either fascists or communists by unthinking radicals on both sides of this debate.

True enough. Regardless of the politics (right/left) I believe you teach people how to behave through feedback. And that is true of government legislation as well. So as a general rule I'm not in facor of legislation that absolve people of personal responsibility.

The two cases would be the housing bill/bailout and the common proposal by democrates for universal healthcare. I don't think one can argue that both of those don't do exacltey that. They remove responsibility from the people whether it be paying for healthcare or bailing them out of a bad mortgage. We can debate the uiversal healthcare issue, but the mortgage bailout really perturbs when you look at it from a behaviorial standpoint. You have home buyers that bought homes that first, they really couldn't afford in the first place. Second you have mortgage lenders giveing extremely risky mortgages. Usually ARMs and/or no money down. And now the government is going to bail a group of people out that showed extremely poor judgement and in doing so have reinforced the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place. And to top it off the market now won't correct for the initially inflated housing prices

 

[Paulie]

LOL, blunt's back??

 

[blunt]

You right wing nutcases are always good for a laugh, you ran the deficit the highest in history after you started with as surplus, you started a war based on lies that's bankrupting our country while the land we illegally invaded has a 68 billion dollar surplus and growing. But yet, you're worried about grandma seeing a doc for her arthritis, you're right, we can't afford it, screw grandma, let's rebuild Iraq.
You guys are completely delusional.

Bern80

Tell me, what type of impact on the defecit do you suppose universal health care would have?

The poor an elderly would live longer and in less pain and the cost of health care would fall just for starters.
You do realize we spend in one weelk in Iraq what the entire cost of univeral health care would cost in a year and we get zero return. But you justify this cost and it hasn't broke our nation yet, so answer your owm question..
What how does spending 52 times the cost of universal health care a year in Irag impact the deficit?

 

[Prefx]

Nothing naive nor assumptive about my statement. Rather, yours is just another baseless, partisan attack. The factuality of my statement is self-evident, and self-explanatory.

You cradle to grave folks would rathere wallow your entire lives in the mediocrity of a so-called "safety net" than risk losing something in order to gain more. It's okay if everybody has the same cookie cutter crap just so long as you get YOUR cookie cutter crap too.

There are plenty of social so-called utopia's around. Feel free to move to one and stop trying dick this place up because you're afraid to be responsible for your own destiny and need Big Brother to keep a hand firmly on the lifeline to bail you out if the going gets rough.

In relation to its starting point, which country developed faster during the Industrial Revolution:

Britain or Germany?

The answer: Germany.

You could argue that there are too many external variables, but the German colonies didn't stack up against the British Empire, and for the most part the British - unlike the French - rarely had trouble outside of China.

 

[Mr. Right]

I'm forced to pull the deadliest weapons conservatives have in their arsenal.

Yes we're going nuclear.



Liberals are a bunch of:














RETARDS

 

[blunt]

Gee, that took a lot of imagination, did you do that all by yourself? ..you're almost as smart as your leader.

 

[Mr. Right]

Gee, that took a lot of imagination, did you do that all by yourself? ..you're almost as smart as your leader.

Bush is a YALE grad.

Masters from HARVARD.

 

[blunt]

Bush is a YALE grad.

Masters from HARVARD.

He's also a pathological liar and a warcriminal

 

[editec]

True enough. Regardless of the politics (right/left) I believe you teach people how to behave through feedback. And that is true of government legislation as well. So as a general rule I'm not in facor of legislation that absolve people of personal responsibility.

The two cases would be the housing bill/bailout and the common proposal by democrates for universal healthcare. I don't think one can argue that both of those don't do exacltey that. They remove responsibility from the people whether it be paying for healthcare or bailing them out of a bad mortgage. We can debate the uiversal healthcare issue, but the mortgage bailout really perturbs when you look at it from a behaviorial standpoint. You have home buyers that bought homes that first, they really couldn't afford in the first place. Second you have mortgage lenders giveing extremely risky mortgages. Usually ARMs and/or no money down. And now the government is going to bail a group of people out that showed extremely poor judgement and in doing so have reinforced the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place. And to top it off the market now won't correct for the initially inflated housing prices

I agree.

But can you agree with me when I say that thse bailouts are MOSTLY menat to help the banks?

Bear in mind that not only are we rearding the banks by taking on their bad debts, but by helping people not to lose their homes, we are helping out the banks AGAIN?

The argument for doing this, is of course, that our banking system would go belly up if we didn't do it.

I do not know that that is true, but I'm inclined to think it might be.

I'm not happy about it though. I'm ESPECIALLY not happy that the people in charge are not being sacked, but seem to be floating in a cacoon of government handouts.

Personal responsibility seems to be something expected only from little people.

When big banks screw up, they're not only bailed out but they keep their jobs in most cases.

Socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor.

We see this tendency over, and over, and over again.