Liberals Celebrating Bastille Day??

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Today, July 14th, is the anniversary of Bastille Day

1. " The murdering mobs that attacked the nearly empty Bastille (at the time of the siege there were only seven non-political prisoners) believed their actions were for a better France,... “French society underwent an epic transformation as feudal, aristocratic and religious privileges evaporated under a sustained assault from left-wing political groups and the masses on the streets.”

Ordered by the king [Louis XVI] to surrender, more than 600 Swiss guards were savagely murdered. The mobs ripped them to shreds and mutilated their corpses. “Women, lost to all sense of shame,” said one surviving witness, “were committing the most indecent mutilations on the dead bodies from which they tore pieces of flesh and carried them off in triumph.” Children played kickball with the guards’ heads. Every living thing in the Tuileries [royal palace in Paris] was butchered or thrown from the windows by the hooligans. Women were raped before being hacked to death."
Coulter, "Demonic."






2.It is more than passing interesting that liberals, whose history is that of the French Revolution, attempt to hide this by trying to portray the American Revolution as their inception.
Let’s see, the American Revolution had the Minutemen, the ride of Paul Revere, the Continental Congress, the Declaration of Independence and the Liberty Bell.

a. The French Revolution is identified by the Great Fear, the storming of the Bastille, the food riots, the march on Versailles, the Day of the Daggers, the de-Christianization campaign, the September Massacres, the beheading of Louis XVI, the beheading of Marie Antoinette, the Reign of Terror, then the guillotining of one revolutionary after another, until Robespierre got the “national razor.” That is, not including various lynchings, assassinations, insurrections….this was the four-year period known as the French Revolution.

b. Yes, just as classical liberals, or what would be called conservatives today, are heir to the American Revolution, liberals can trace their provenance to Rousseau, and St. Just!


3. For Rousseau, the “Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen” proclaimed that the ‘general will’ of the people had to be correct, because it was the ‘general will,” the true interest of what everyone wants whether they realize it or not, and he ‘determined’ the ‘general will,’ so, anyone who deviated from same deserved no rights!

a. Although he had written a ‘constitution,’ it became malleable for Robespierre: “How did Robespierre actually interpret these principles? He said: “[W]e must exterminate all our enemies with the law in our hands”; “the Declaration of Rights offers no safeguard to conspirators”; “the suspicions of enlightened patriotism might offer a better guide than formal rules of evidence.” Notice the echo in the actions of the early Progressives who suggested that the US Constitution may be shed, ‘like a garment.’ http://www.nationalaffairs.com/docl...hvsthefrenchenlightmentgertrudehimmelfarb.pdf

Could there be a better description of the collective totalitarian statist?







4. Of course, a minor difference that the astute might notice is that America’s documents did win freedom and individual rights, and France’s Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen led to bestial savagery, followed by Napoleon’s dictatorship, followed by another monarchy, and finally something resembling an actual republic some 80 years later.




5. And just once more, the difference between the two revolution, mirroring the difference between liberals and conservatives?

With the Jacobins in control, the “de-Christianization” campaign kicked into high gear. Inspired by Rousseau’s idea of the religion civile, the revolution sought to completely destroy Christianity and replace it with a religion of the state. To honor “reason” and fulfill the promise of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen that “no one may be questioned about his opinions, including his religious views,”

Except that Catholic priests were forced to stand before the revolutionary clubs and take oaths to France’s new humanocentric religion, the Cult of Reason .
Revolutionaries smashed church art and statues.





6. The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian.

“52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”
From Coulter’s best seller, “Demonic .”




So, to those of the Liberal persuasion, parry like it’s 1789!

Happy anniversary!!!
 
You seem to be a devotee of the Revolution of 1933 and The Big Lie. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is depicted as an enemy, i.e. "if you're not with us, you're against us", the slogan of an another revolution you publicly decry, but ape incessantly.
 
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Happy Bastille Day!
 
So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

The French Revolution did not bring in a Democratic Republic, it brought in a Constitutional Monarchy.

You're a little slow.

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.
 
So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.

The French Revolution did not bring in a Democratic Republic, it brought in a Constitutional Monarchy.

You're a little slow.

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.
 
You seem to be a devotee of the Revolution of 1933 and The Big Lie. Anyone that doesn't agree with you 100% is depicted as an enemy, i.e. "if you're not with us, you're against us", the slogan of an another revolution you publicly decry, but ape incessantly.


So....you have nothing to add to the OP ( I say, pouting, and sticking out lower lip)??


You just want to write 'bout lil ol' me?



OK.
 
So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.



My pleasure.


1. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").

2. This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century.


3. In fact, Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." His call for the "sovereign" to force men to be free if necessary in the interests of the "General Will" harks back to the Lycurgus of Sparta instead of to the pluralism of Athens; the legacy of Rousseau is Robespierre and the radical Jacobins of the Terror who followed and worshipped him passionately.

4. ...the governments which replaced ancien regimes was as bad or worse than those which preceded them (from Napoleon on up to Lenin and the fascists)."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Let me know when you are ready for your next tutorial...
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to teach a Liberal.
 
So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.



My pleasure.


1. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").

2. This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century.


3. In fact, Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." His call for the "sovereign" to force men to be free if necessary in the interests of the "General Will" harks back to the Lycurgus of Sparta instead of to the pluralism of Athens; the legacy of Rousseau is Robespierre and the radical Jacobins of the Terror who followed and worshipped him passionately.

4. ...the governments which replaced ancien regimes was as bad or worse than those which preceded them (from Napoleon on up to Lenin and the fascists)."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Let me know when you are ready for your next tutorial...
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to teach a Liberal.

What the fuck is all that supposed to mean?
 
The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.
 
So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.



My pleasure.


1. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").

2. This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century.


3. In fact, Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." His call for the "sovereign" to force men to be free if necessary in the interests of the "General Will" harks back to the Lycurgus of Sparta instead of to the pluralism of Athens; the legacy of Rousseau is Robespierre and the radical Jacobins of the Terror who followed and worshipped him passionately.

4. ...the governments which replaced ancien regimes was as bad or worse than those which preceded them (from Napoleon on up to Lenin and the fascists)."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Let me know when you are ready for your next tutorial...
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to teach a Liberal.

What the fuck is all that supposed to mean?



When you're conversing with adults, you should attempt a more civil tone.

When you're with your equals, i.e., the middle school set, they might be impressed with the vulgarity and bodily function jokes.
 
The French Revolution did not bring in a Democratic Republic, it brought in a Constitutional Monarchy.

You're a little slow.

Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

What "simple concepts"?

Ultimately the French Revolution led to the Democratic Republic it has today.

You folks seem to think that A. Everyone else is wrong. B. Revolutions and Wars are clean when you like them. and C. That your smug self righteousness wins the day every time.

It doesn't.

And your naive and childish recanting of history is just that.
 
The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

Actually, everyone seems to gloss over the genocide of the Native Americans.

Which is in large part, due to the American Revolution.
 
So a revolution that squashed a monarchy and brought in a Democratic Republic..is bad?

Do tell.



My pleasure.


1. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").

2. This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century.


3. In fact, Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." His call for the "sovereign" to force men to be free if necessary in the interests of the "General Will" harks back to the Lycurgus of Sparta instead of to the pluralism of Athens; the legacy of Rousseau is Robespierre and the radical Jacobins of the Terror who followed and worshipped him passionately.

4. ...the governments which replaced ancien regimes was as bad or worse than those which preceded them (from Napoleon on up to Lenin and the fascists)."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Let me know when you are ready for your next tutorial...
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to teach a Liberal.

What the fuck is all that supposed to mean?

It means she has no fucking clue, like so many others on the board, what she is talking about.
 
Well no.

There was a short (1 year) attempt at trying to compromise with the Monarchy.

Didn't work.

Today?

France is a Democratic Republic.

There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

What "simple concepts"?

Ultimately the French Revolution led to the Democratic Republic it has today.

You folks seem to think that A. Everyone else is wrong. B. Revolutions and Wars are clean when you like them. and C. That your smug self righteousness wins the day every time.

It doesn't.

And your naive and childish recanting of history is just that.

Absolutely delicious irony.

You are the one who tried to broad brush history and failed. Then you want to come back and act like what you said was true, even after it was pointed out that you're omitting a lot of facts to draw your conclusion.

Shocking! Shocking, i tell you! :lmao:
 
My pleasure.


1. "If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety").

2. This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century.


3. In fact, Rousseau has been called the precursor of the modern pseudo-democrats such as Stalin and Hitler and the "people's democracies." His call for the "sovereign" to force men to be free if necessary in the interests of the "General Will" harks back to the Lycurgus of Sparta instead of to the pluralism of Athens; the legacy of Rousseau is Robespierre and the radical Jacobins of the Terror who followed and worshipped him passionately.

4. ...the governments which replaced ancien regimes was as bad or worse than those which preceded them (from Napoleon on up to Lenin and the fascists)."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror


Let me know when you are ready for your next tutorial...
A conservative is never so tall as when she stoops to teach a Liberal.

What the fuck is all that supposed to mean?



When you're conversing with adults, you should attempt a more civil tone.

When you're with your equals, i.e., the middle school set, they might be impressed with the vulgarity and bodily function jokes.

In other words you have no idea what your cut and paste means.
 
The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

1. Of course, you might include WWI, WWII, Korea, etc. in your bogus example

2. But the comparison is between the French Revolution and the American Revolution.

These are the operative facts:

a. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.

b. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years."
Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.





Now, if you intend to claim that both the American Revolution and the Civil War must be combined....

.... One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8



So....once again, you are abysmally incorrect.

But, what can one expect from an individual with a brain the equivalent to a BB in a boxcar.
 
There was also a 5 year war and the Reign of Terror, but don't let that spoil your failure to grasp simple concepts.

The French Revolution led to another monarchy. That failed monarchy led to a civil war and a war with Prussia. The civil war gave rise to Robespierre and the Reign of Terror. The coup against the Robespierre as a de-facto dictator led to the actual Constitutional Republic that France is today.

What "simple concepts"?

Ultimately the French Revolution led to the Democratic Republic it has today.

You folks seem to think that A. Everyone else is wrong. B. Revolutions and Wars are clean when you like them. and C. That your smug self righteousness wins the day every time.

It doesn't.

And your naive and childish recanting of history is just that.

Absolutely delicious irony.

You are the one who tried to broad brush history and failed. Then you want to come back and act like what you said was true, even after it was pointed out that you're omitting a lot of facts to draw your conclusion.

Shocking! Shocking, i tell you! :lmao:

Failed what?

Failure to you guys is different then failure to us.

Failure to you guys is success for the rest of the real world.

While success for you guys..is abject failure for the real world.

You guys live in bizzaro land and expect the rest of the world, which you call parasites and freeloaders to follow suit.

Except it's really you folks that are what you criticize.
 
The issues of the American Revolution were never truly resolved until the end of the Civil War in 1865,

which makes it at least comparable in violence and blood as the French Revolution.

Actually, everyone seems to gloss over the genocide of the Native Americans.

Which is in large part, due to the American Revolution.

Due also to the belief in Manifest Destiny and American exceptionalism.
 

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