Liar-In-Chief Slams Michigan’s Right-To-Work Law During Fiscal Cliff Speech

[SniperFire]

'Right-to-work means low unemployment.

Between 1999 and 2009, non-farm private-sector employment grew 3.7 percent in right-to-work states, but decreased 2.8 percent in non-right-to-work states.

Further, the vast majority of jobs created during the Obama administration have been in states with a right-to-work law. According to the National Institute for Labor Relations Research, right-to-work states (excluding Indiana, which passed a right-to-work law in early 2012) “were responsible for 72 percent of all net household job growth across the U.S. from June 2009 through September 2012.”

Right-to-Work: More and Better Jobs. Making Michigan Home Again. [Mackinac Center]

Obama takes FULL credit for the good job growth in Right to Work states:

In First 45 Months In Office, Obama Created 750,000 Private Sector Jobs, Bush Lost More Than One Million | ThinkProgress

 

[Too Tall]

so apparently the right and ability to unionize is terrible, and giving employees the ability to collectively bargain for better wages is also terrible.

can someone on the right explain this to everyone? why wouldnt you want to the ability to negotiate better wages and benefits?

I live in a right to work state and was elected as a Shop Steward many years ago while employed at the Lockheed Georgia Co. We in the IAM&AW (International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers) union certainly did collectively bargain for better wages and benefits, so I would like to know where you heard otherwise.

 

[saveliberty]

Really comes as no surprise that Obama places himself in opposition to job growth. This is why the recovery is taking so long. Poor policy.

 

[Sallow]

I have never had maturity leave through three kids. Can't remember the last time I worked only 40 hours in a week. Don't get paid holidays.

What?! You!?

You never had maturity leave? Unbelievable.

Probably just as well. We'd have had to name a girl Jesus.

Jesus did my taxes.

True story.

 

[Sallow]

Really comes as no surprise that Obama places himself in opposition to job growth. This is why the recovery is taking so long. Poor policy.

Yep.

The policies of the Bush administration were pretty poor in regards to employment.

Creating a housing bubble and starting 2 wars may mask the bleeding of American jobs because of near and off shoring for a while. But eventually those things have a tendency to blow up.

Very literally.

 

[Too Tall]

its not about the "right to work", a union give the member the ability to collectively bargain with his or her fellow co-workers for improved wages and benefits. the employer does not have to simply lay down and accept what the workers are demanding. unfortunately there were a lot of bad labor contracts that were negotiated in the recent past. however it is because of unions that we have the 40 hours work week, maternity pay, holiday pay, sick pay, vacation pay and work place safety standards. Union workers also on average are paid a better wage than employees in similar positions for other organizations.

have there been bad labor contracts, absolutely, but eliminating all unions is not the solution to this problem.

Yeah. No one's calling for the elimination of unions.

What we're calling for is the right of each employee to decide for himself whether or not he wants to join the union.

Some people oppose that right.

Unions only work if all workers are included. You cannot have non-union workers with union workers. It drives down the wages because you cannot C.B.

If that is the case, why did we go on strike and get our wage demands in the right to work state that I live in?

 

[saveliberty]

Really comes as no surprise that Obama places himself in opposition to job growth. This is why the recovery is taking so long. Poor policy.

Yep.

The policies of the Bush administration were pretty poor in regards to employment.

Creating a housing bubble and starting 2 wars may mask the bleeding of American jobs because of near and off shoring for a while. But eventually those things have a tendency to blow up.

Very literally.

A Democratic Congress created the housing bubble. A Democratic President slowed recovery.

 

[Sallow]

Really comes as no surprise that Obama places himself in opposition to job growth. This is why the recovery is taking so long. Poor policy.

Yep.

The policies of the Bush administration were pretty poor in regards to employment.

Creating a housing bubble and starting 2 wars may mask the bleeding of American jobs because of near and off shoring for a while. But eventually those things have a tendency to blow up.

Very literally.

A Democratic Congress created the housing bubble. A Democratic President slowed recovery.

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Yeah..2001 - 2006 never happened.

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

Really comes as no surprise that Obama places himself in opposition to job growth. This is why the recovery is taking so long. Poor policy.

Yep.

The policies of the Bush administration were pretty poor in regards to employment.

Creating a housing bubble and starting 2 wars may mask the bleeding of American jobs because of near and off shoring for a while. But eventually those things have a tendency to blow up.

Very literally.

A Democratic Congress created the housing bubble. A Democratic President slowed recovery.

yes.... congress forced americans to purchase home they couldnt afford, and forced lenders to give loans to people they knew couldnt pay them back.

 

[saveliberty]

Yep.

The policies of the Bush administration were pretty poor in regards to employment.

Creating a housing bubble and starting 2 wars may mask the bleeding of American jobs because of near and off shoring for a while. But eventually those things have a tendency to blow up.

Very literally.

A Democratic Congress created the housing bubble. A Democratic President slowed recovery.

yes.... congress forced americans to purchase home they couldnt afford, and forced lenders to give loans to people they knew couldnt pay them back.

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

A Democratic Congress created the housing bubble. A Democratic President slowed recovery.

yes.... congress forced americans to purchase home they couldnt afford, and forced lenders to give loans to people they knew couldnt pay them back.

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

 

[SniperFire]

yes.... congress forced americans to purchase home they couldnt afford, and forced lenders to give loans to people they knew couldnt pay them back.

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

That was the case for, what, hundreds of years - where the standard on a loan was 20% down payment and ability to repay.


What changed to make those pesky loan standard go away?

 

[GoneBezerk]

He is an idiot and a liar.

 

[Sallow]

A Democratic Congress created the housing bubble. A Democratic President slowed recovery.

yes.... congress forced americans to purchase home they couldnt afford, and forced lenders to give loans to people they knew couldnt pay them back.

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

They "created" the system through deregulation. And much of that was made possible by conservative politicians.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Asswipe, when the Feds are counting how many ghetto trash applicants you approve or face fines....you approve the loans.

Holder's DoJ is again going after private local banks around the US for not making sure minority wannabe home buyers with poor credit get the rubber stamp or else face fines and penalties will be slammed on these small banks.

Let's see, have the Feds tear apart your bank...or give scum like you a home loan with some risk of losses.....

yes.... congress forced americans to purchase home they couldnt afford, and forced lenders to give loans to people they knew couldnt pay them back.

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

Asswipe, when the Feds are counting how many ghetto trash applicants you approve or face fines....you approve the loans.

Holder's DoJ is again going after private local banks around the US for not making sure minority wannabe home buyers with poor credit get the rubber stamp or else face fines and penalties will be slammed on these small banks.

Let's see, have the Feds tear apart your bank...or give scum like you a home loan with some risk of losses.....

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

any proof of your claims, or just more lack luster insults? youre getting so predictable.

 

[LeftCoastVoter]

They created a system that promoted bad decisions on the part of borrower and lender. Actually, lenders were strongly encouraged to make risky loans, then protected by financial instruments designed to shift that risk to others. All made possible by a Democratic Congress.

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

That was the case for, what, hundreds of years - where the standard on a loan was 20% down payment and ability to repay.


What changed to make those pesky loan standard go away?

banks were able to design new products which appeared to be more profitable. the goal of capitalism to maximize profits. their goal in issuing these interest only and sub prime loans was to increase profitability.

a good business man would have been able to assess the overall risk of moving to these products and make educated decisions on whether to move down that path. unfortunately the potential for profit was so high, the potential money outweighed the potential risk and we all know what happened from there.

its a good goal to see all americans be homeowners, but in reality its just no feasible.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Educate yourself, dumbfuck.

I'm not here to surf the internet for you, asswipe.

Hell, I'm sure you'll demand someone prove to you we landed on the moon. They just can't tell you it, they need to provide a lazyass piece of shit like you some internet link.

Google itself yourself, asshole....while you're at it, look up Google hiding $10B in profits off shore to avoid taxes.

Asswipe, when the Feds are counting how many ghetto trash applicants you approve or face fines....you approve the loans.

Holder's DoJ is again going after private local banks around the US for not making sure minority wannabe home buyers with poor credit get the rubber stamp or else face fines and penalties will be slammed on these small banks.

Let's see, have the Feds tear apart your bank...or give scum like you a home loan with some risk of losses.....

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

any proof of your claims, or just more lack luster insults? youre getting so predictable.

 

[SniperFire]

actually capitalism is what caused the housing bubble. if lenders would have vetted their loan applicants better, they would not have issued risky loans. no one forces a lender to approve a loan, the lenders themselves relaxed their standards and gave out loans knowing that they would make a large front end profit on them. had the almighty dollar not been the end game, the banks would not have failed due to a large amount of defaults on these loans.

and actually the GOP congress led the repeal of Glass Steagal which deregulated the financial markets.

That was the case for, what, hundreds of years - where the standard on a loan was 20% down payment and ability to repay.


What changed to make those pesky loan standard go away?

banks were able to design new products which appeared to be more profitable. the goal of capitalism to maximize profits. their goal in issuing these interest only and sub prime loans was to increase profitability.

a good business man would have been able to assess the overall risk of moving to these products and make educated decisions on whether to move down that path. unfortunately the potential for profit was so high, the potential money outweighed the potential risk and we all know what happened from there.

its a good goal to see all americans be homeowners, but in reality its just no feasible.

Try again. Ever hear about Clinton's revision to the CRA?

 

[GoneBezerk]

The game liberals play here and elsewhere is that if their media didn't tell them about it....it is all a lie.

CNN, CBS, the NYTimes, etc aren't openly telling Americans Holder and the DoJ are repeating mistakes of the housing mess again by forcing banks to give "poor minority" people home loans with looser standards.

We mention it here as evidence and these scumbag liberal claim we're lying or we need to work for them by giving them some fucking link to FOXNews, Drudge, etc. Oh....those media outlets are "lying" according to liberals.....