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Unsurprisingly, what you say is incorrect. You need to be part of a collective. You have trouble operating as an individual.False sense of self-worth. They are concerned that they will be a more valuable employee than one or more other employees, but will be compensated the same. This is, of course, delusional on their part. They will happily take less as long as they can say that they get more than someone else.
If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
Without the union, you will be paid less. The lazy sob will be paid less too. But YOUR wages and benefits will be lower. What is your incentive then?
As I said, you have a false sense of self worth. You need collective bargaining to ensure that YOU get what you are worth. But your primary concern is that someone else might get more than they are worth. Of course, being delusional, you expect that you will be able to negotiate for yourself....and get more. Or....you think your employer will recognize your superhuman effort and pay you what you are worth out of fairness.
so apparently the right and ability to unionize is terrible, and giving employees the ability to collectively bargain for better wages is also terrible.
can someone on the right explain this to everyone? why wouldnt you want to the ability to negotiate better wages and benefits?
False sense of self-worth. They are concerned that they will be a more valuable employee than one or more other employees, but will be compensated the same. This is, of course, delusional on their part. They will happily take less as long as they can say that they get more than someone else.
If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
Unsurprisingly, what you say is incorrect. You need to be part of a collective. You have trouble operating as an individual.If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
Without the union, you will be paid less. The lazy sob will be paid less too. But YOUR wages and benefits will be lower. What is your incentive then?
As I said, you have a false sense of self worth. You need collective bargaining to ensure that YOU get what you are worth. But your primary concern is that someone else might get more than they are worth. Of course, being delusional, you expect that you will be able to negotiate for yourself....and get more. Or....you think your employer will recognize your superhuman effort and pay you what you are worth out of fairness.
As an individual, you have the right to negotiate your own wages and benefits.
The fact that you see individualism as delusional speaks volumes about you. And it's not flattering.
I've asked this question before elsewhere, but I've never gotten a rational answer.
What gives a union member a greater right to work than a non-union member?
Without the union, you will be paid less. The lazy sob will be paid less too. But YOUR wages and benefits will be lower. What is your incentive then?
As I said, you have a false sense of self worth. You need collective bargaining to ensure that YOU get what you are worth. But your primary concern is that someone else might get more than they are worth. Of course, being delusional, you expect that you will be able to negotiate for yourself....and get more. Or....you think your employer will recognize your superhuman effort and pay you what you are worth out of fairness.
your argument makes the assumptions that all employees under a union are paid the exact same, which is not the case. Unions are able to negotiate wage levels that are typically higher then in non union situations. but all employees are not paid the same wageso apparently the right and ability to unionize is terrible, and giving employees the ability to collectively bargain for better wages is also terrible.
can someone on the right explain this to everyone? why wouldnt you want to the ability to negotiate better wages and benefits?
False sense of self-worth. They are concerned that they will be a more valuable employee than one or more other employees, but will be compensated the same. This is, of course, delusional on their part. They will happily take less as long as they can say that they get more than someone else.
If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
Of course it does. But that lazy bastard next to me can get fired for non-performance, and I'm free to negotiate higher wages for my outstanding performance.False sense of self-worth. They are concerned that they will be a more valuable employee than one or more other employees, but will be compensated the same. This is, of course, delusional on their part. They will happily take less as long as they can say that they get more than someone else.
If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
You do not think that happens in a place of work without unions
Yeah. How'd that work out for the Hostess bakers?Unsurprisingly, what you say is incorrect. You need to be part of a collective. You have trouble operating as an individual.Without the union, you will be paid less. The lazy sob will be paid less too. But YOUR wages and benefits will be lower. What is your incentive then?
As I said, you have a false sense of self worth. You need collective bargaining to ensure that YOU get what you are worth. But your primary concern is that someone else might get more than they are worth. Of course, being delusional, you expect that you will be able to negotiate for yourself....and get more. Or....you think your employer will recognize your superhuman effort and pay you what you are worth out of fairness.
As an individual, you have the right to negotiate your own wages and benefits.
The fact that you see individualism as delusional speaks volumes about you. And it's not flattering.
Without the union the wages will decrease for you the individual
its not about the "right to work", a union give the member the ability to collectively bargain with his or her fellow co-workers for improved wages and benefits. the employer does not have to simply lay down and accept what the workers are demanding. unfortunately there were a lot of bad labor contracts that were negotiated in the recent past. however it is because of unions that we have the 40 hours work week, maternity pay, holiday pay, sick pay, vacation pay and work place safety standards. Union workers also on average are paid a better wage than employees in similar positions for other organizations.I've asked this question before elsewhere, but I've never gotten a rational answer.
What gives a union member a greater right to work than a non-union member?
Unsurprisingly, what you say is incorrect. You need to be part of a collective. You have trouble operating as an individual.If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
Without the union, you will be paid less. The lazy sob will be paid less too. But YOUR wages and benefits will be lower. What is your incentive then?
As I said, you have a false sense of self worth. You need collective bargaining to ensure that YOU get what you are worth. But your primary concern is that someone else might get more than they are worth. Of course, being delusional, you expect that you will be able to negotiate for yourself....and get more. Or....you think your employer will recognize your superhuman effort and pay you what you are worth out of fairness.
As an individual, you have the right to negotiate your own wages and benefits.
The fact that you see individualism as delusional speaks volumes about you. And it's not flattering.
Yeah. How'd that work out for the Hostess bakers?Unsurprisingly, what you say is incorrect. You need to be part of a collective. You have trouble operating as an individual.
As an individual, you have the right to negotiate your own wages and benefits.
The fact that you see individualism as delusional speaks volumes about you. And it's not flattering.
Without the union the wages will decrease for you the individual
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Worse President EVER
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Jaw-dropping lie alert: Obama tells workers right-to-work laws take away your rights to bargain for better wages, in reality it stops workers from being forced to join a union as a condition of employment. Nothing in those laws relates to collective bargaining. So hes either grossly misinformed or lying his ass off.
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Liar-In-Chief Slams Michigans Right-To-Work Law During Fiscal Cliff Speech | Weasel Zippers
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Worse President EVER
SNIP:
Jaw-dropping lie alert: Obama tells workers right-to-work laws take away your rights to bargain for better wages, in reality it stops workers from being forced to join a union as a condition of employment. Nothing in those laws relates to collective bargaining. So hes either grossly misinformed or lying his ass off.
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Liar-In-Chief Slams Michigans Right-To-Work Law During Fiscal Cliff Speech | Weasel Zippers
It's probably about 50/50 on lying or misinformed now as the left loves to say Obama won which he did so Mr President how about you stop with campaign speeches and get back to D.C. and do your job.
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Worse President EVER
SNIP:
Jaw-dropping lie alert: Obama tells workers right-to-work laws take away your rights to bargain for better wages, in reality it stops workers from being forced to join a union as a condition of employment. Nothing in those laws relates to collective bargaining. So hes either grossly misinformed or lying his ass off.
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Liar-In-Chief Slams Michigans Right-To-Work Law During Fiscal Cliff Speech | Weasel Zippers
It's probably about 50/50 on lying or misinformed now as the left loves to say Obama won which he did so Mr President how about you stop with campaign speeches and get back to D.C. and do your job.
He did his job, he kicked that vulture capitalist pig Romney out of politics forever. About time Obama stopped treating these republican dogs like normal people.
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Worse President EVER
SNIP:
Jaw-dropping lie alert: Obama tells workers right-to-work laws take away your rights to bargain for better wages, in reality it stops workers from being forced to join a union as a condition of employment. Nothing in those laws relates to collective bargaining. So hes either grossly misinformed or lying his ass off.
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Liar-In-Chief Slams Michigans Right-To-Work Law During Fiscal Cliff Speech | Weasel Zippers
Why is he flying around the country making these speeches? Is there something wrong with the Oval Office and the WH Press Room that we don't know about?
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Worse President EVER
SNIP:
Jaw-dropping lie alert: Obama tells workers right-to-work laws take away your rights to bargain for better wages, in reality it stops workers from being forced to join a union as a condition of employment. Nothing in those laws relates to collective bargaining. So hes either grossly misinformed or lying his ass off.
You may have the right to argue for better wages in right-to-work states, but you don't have collective bargaining that would motivate employers to give you those better wages. So, Obama is right; and you -- as usual -- are full of shit.
That is a LIE!
Yes, let's look at that.I've asked this question before elsewhere, but I've never gotten a rational answer.
What gives a union member a greater right to work than a non-union member?
Because non union people are willing to settle for less. Look at the wages in right to work states vs union states.
Employees doing the same job with similar time in service do...that's why my hypothetical mentioned "the lazy bastard next to me".your argument makes the assumptions that all employees under a union are paid the exact same, which is not the case. Unions are able to negotiate wage levels that are typically higher then in non union situations. but all employees are not paid the same wageFalse sense of self-worth. They are concerned that they will be a more valuable employee than one or more other employees, but will be compensated the same. This is, of course, delusional on their part. They will happily take less as long as they can say that they get more than someone else.
If I'm a conscientious, hard-working union member, why shouldn't I get paid more than the lazy slob working beside me? The contract says we both make the same. Therefore, I have no incentive to continue being conscientious and hard-working. Why should I bust my ass when I can get paid for sitting on my ass like the guy next to me?
Yeah. No one's calling for the elimination of unions.its not about the "right to work", a union give the member the ability to collectively bargain with his or her fellow co-workers for improved wages and benefits. the employer does not have to simply lay down and accept what the workers are demanding. unfortunately there were a lot of bad labor contracts that were negotiated in the recent past. however it is because of unions that we have the 40 hours work week, maternity pay, holiday pay, sick pay, vacation pay and work place safety standards. Union workers also on average are paid a better wage than employees in similar positions for other organizations.I've asked this question before elsewhere, but I've never gotten a rational answer.
What gives a union member a greater right to work than a non-union member?
have there been bad labor contracts, absolutely, but eliminating all unions is not the solution to this problem.
