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    Who wouldn't know that?
     
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    False comparison fallacy.
     
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    Absent a lawful, Constitutionally sanctioned means by which citizens might ‘take up arms’ against a duly elected government, an armed populace cannot serve as a ‘final check’ on that duly elected government.

    In fact, an armed populace acting as a ‘final check’ on government runs counter to our Constitutional Republic and a republican form of government, where laws and policy are enacted by our elected representatives, not directly by the people – and thankfully so.

    Because our Constitutional Republic wisely has no provision for National referenda or plebiscites, there would be no way to determine when a majority of the people agree to abandon both the political and judicial process and pursue an armed rebellion against the Federal government – and certainly no one would advocate that the government be violently ‘overthrown’ against the will of a majority of the people, that would only replace perceived tyranny with actual tyranny.

    America came to be by an armed rebellion because the colonists were not afforded the political or legal means by which to petition the government for a redress of grievances, where that’s not the case today, rendering the notion of an armed populace acting as a ‘final check’ on government an invalid anachronism.
     
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    This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

    Supreme Court decisions do not have the effect of ‘amending’ the Constitution – ‘illegally’ or otherwise.

    The Supreme Court determines what the Constitution means, as authorized by the doctrine of judicial review and Article VI of the Constitution – the Constitution exists solely in the context of the case law the result of Supreme Court decisions.

    Consequently, Roe v. Wade was correctly decided; the progeny of Griswold and Eisenstadt, Roe reaffirmed the fundamental right to privacy consistent with the 14th Amendment’s principle of substantive due process, prohibiting the states from interfering in citizens making personal, private decisions such as whether to have a child or not.

    That those on the authoritarian right disagree with a Supreme Court decision because it doesn’t comport with failed, wrongheaded conservative dogma doesn’t mean it was ‘wrongly decided.’
     
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    Not all. It is proof of SCOTUS' fallibility.
     
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    The American Revolution was by no means legal and it is quite likely that a majority of colonists were not in favor of it.

    In fact, an armed populace acting as a ‘final check’ on government runs counter to our Constitutional Republic and a republican form of government, where laws and policy are enacted by our elected representatives, not directly by the people – and thankfully so.

    Beside the point. An armed populace acts as a check against government that has decided to no longer be a Constitutional Republic. Exactly why so many Americans are sworn to protect the Constitution; not the government.

    America came to be by an armed rebellion because the colonists were not afforded the political or legal means by which to petition the government for a redress of grievances, where that’s not the case today, rendering the notion of an armed populace acting as a ‘final check’ on government an invalid anachronism

    The colonists petitioned the king for redress and were denied. But it was the British attempt to confiscate weapons (gun control) that was the final spark that finally started the Revolution. There was no one single reason for the Rebellion. The purpose of the Constitution is to keep the government honest (or as honest as possible) and the 2nd Amendment was included to enforce it. Just that simple.
     

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