CDZ Sadly, I fear we are still one grisly step away from resolving the gun debate

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    It doesn't take much to see what's driving the massive increase in the nation's appetite for tighter gun control measures.
    Quite simply, the Parkland shooting made it undeniably clear that the relative insulation from a host of social ills, gun violence among them, that upper-middle class and entry-level wealthy families and neighborhoods enjoy is not enough to protect them from gun violence. The Parkman shooter went into a school populated with a subset of some the nation's most fortunate kids and today, those kids are every bit as dead as whatever provincial or urban ne'er do well, and those "white picket fence" families no less aggrieved. Nonetheless, it seems that Congressional Republicans cleave to the will of the NRA, showing a profound lack of will to endure a non-A rating from the NRA.

    But M. Stoneman Douglas is a public school, and though it's students/families are well-off, mostly, they aren't in the same social cohort as are the kids/families at the nation's posh day-hop schools, or worse one of the elite boarding schools nestled in the bucolic solitude of America's countrysides and having students hailing from posh families around the world. The minute, God forbid, a gunman shoots a kid(s) at any one of those schools, the gun debate will come to a screeching halt because people paying $50K+/year in tuition, nevermind room, board and activity fees and cost, will demand and receive, as with everything else, precisely the action they want to receive. The instant that happens, the blinders and gossamer veil that allows the 1% of the 1% to forbear what in their hearts they know is the spurious "guns aren't the problem."

    There're "woke" folks in the donor class; there's no question about that. As yet, however, they and their "un-woke" peers have been essentially untouched by random gun violence. The donor class isn't immune to one-off shootings and other violence -- Menendez brothers, the Kalorama shooting, and so on -- but as yet elite bastions of safety and solitude have yet to have their denizens become targets of gun violence. Poor and middle class have endured gun violence of all sorts for decades; the country's economic elites have not really not, and even considering their exposure to non-random events (e.g., Arlington shooting) and special circumstances (e.g., POTUSes and the occasional political assassination mostly) not anything like an Aurora, Columbine, Parkland, etc.

    I absolutely hope that nobody else will have to suffer shootings of any sort. If/when I ever hear of another mass shooting, it'll be too soon. That said, I do fear the only other thing, besides what I've described above, that will move Congress members irrevocably out of the political quagmire into which they've set themselves is the 2018 plebiscite outcome sending a clear message that a material share of the citizenry's GOP has abandoned the NRA.

    Another question is whether GOP (would-be) elected office holders will pull on the NRA the same "lip service"/bait and switch stunt it pulls with the general electorate. How might they do so? Simply toe the line until it's too late for incumbents to be "primaried" in advance of the 2018 general election. That is, after all, the only thing GOP incumbents have to fear from the NRA. After that, they can quickly pass whatever gun control they can come up with and watch for two years as the NRA tries to convince people that whatever got passed should be repealed. That's two years to put the NRA on the defensive, two years to watch the NRA challenge the legislation in the SCOTUS (a really risky gambit, especially if it comes before 2020, because Dems and Progressive Indies have a material headcount advantage), etc.
     
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    Good post and you make a very valid point. Nothing changes until it directly affects the elite.
     
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    Tighter gun Laws like the Gun Free Zone in that Florida School?

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    Interesting.
    Of course, there are actually VOTERS who will look for high marks ratings from the NRA. We can't forget that a lot of people, including the ones at my local diner, hate the idea of banning weapons. They don't give two shits about the NRA and most don't throw away $140 on membership dues; the NRA is speaking for them. The politicians could of course take the NRA's money and then do what they please, but the next election will be their swan song. Most politicians seems pretty bent on making their positions career length spots. Maybe we can get some "kamakaze" Republicans to run who spout fire and brimstone gun rights during their campaign and then vote for gun control. I don't think there will be a lot of takers, though.
     
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    Maybe, just maybe, people are uninterested in new and improved gun control laws because they have been well and truly proven to do nothing but disarm the good guy/gals and empower the bad guys/gals. Maybe any further dialog should be about finding a solution that actually addresses the problem. "Gun free" areas were supposed to be the answer but have only served to attract crazies and terrorists.
     
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    And yet you'd have us -- solely on the basis of your say-so, no less -- take the remainder of your assertions and speculations as both plausible and probable.

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    It clearly escapes you that, by definition, that which is new has not at all been proven. That is part and parcel to the very substance of the meaning of the word "new."
     
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    Please ... please ... please ...

    Make gun confiscation an issue in the 2018/2020 election season.

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    TY
     
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    Let the record show libs have not proposed anything to improve safety of schools other than gun confiscation. If more happen look in the mirror for the guilty.
     
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