Let's get our terminology straight

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    Please define the terms, "conservative", "moderate", and "liberal" as you understand them. Be as elaborate or succint as you like. If you'd like to get into subgroups such as "neocon", "radical reactionary", or "commie bastard", by all means, do so.

    The only thing I ask is that we leave ol' Dan Webster out of this. He's not that much help in this context, anyhow. I'm looking for YOUR take, as we tend to bandy these terms about quite a bit on this board.

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    Here goes:

    *Conservative: Someone who's beliefs are grounded in the Bible. Belives in truth, justice & the American way; The Founding Fathers, The Constitution.
    *Liberal: People who believe in everything & nothing. Nothing they believe has foundation. They claim alligence but that's not their way. Hollywood falls into this category.
    *Neo-Con: I guess that refers to a new conservative. They believe in the conservative way but they seem to want to denounce religion & God. They feel they've come all this way on their own. I don't understand this way of thinking.
    * Commie Bastard: Would be someone who believes in the communist way of life/ruling.
    *Radical Reactionary-Moderate.....I have no idea.
     
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    This could be fun :dev3:

    conservatives - those right in every sense

    moderates - the confused ones

    liberals - the melodramatic scumsucking losers

    neocons - the new improved conservatives

    radical reactionarys - moonbats

    commie bastards - red diaper doper babies
     
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    Conservative: Believes government is a necessary evil. It's purpose is to protect the country and keep it together. Nationalist. Needs of home country supercede desires of "global community". Global consensus is desired, but not required, before significant military action.

    Liberal: Believes in government as a tool to better society. It's purpose is to protect the country and keep it together, but also to provide for the poor and not-so-well-off. Favors income redistribution -- taxing the rich and giving this to the poor. Globalist. Needs of home country must be weighed nearly equally with desires of "global community". Significant military action usually requires approval of allies.

    Moderate: A mix of conservative and liberal ideas.

    Commie Bastard: a Socialist or a Communist.

    Neoconservative: Non-existant. This is a sub-group of conservatives that liberals routinly cite to demean conservatives for being too religious, militaristic, etc; so they can spout off as much hate and vitriol as they like and still get votes by saying "Oh conservatives, we weren't making fun of you , we were insulting those NeoCons. Vote for us!". Supposedly, the Neo-Cons seek to create an ultra-Christian USA through use of shady backroom dealings. But as I said before, they do not exist. You will never meet a self-described NeoCon, as the term is commonly spoken with the tone one uses for the word "fascist".
     
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    These are great responses! Keep 'em coming, please.

    Now, I'm going to throw a little gasoline onto the fire. I think it's fair to say that the people who post on this board run the gamut of political thought, although a solid majority are conservatives like myself. I respect each person's right to his or her own viewpoint, disagree though I may. And, I know that there are folks who would honestly classify themselves as moderates. Fine.

    But, I have to say that I've got a hell of a lot more respect for an outright, unapologetic liberal than for those who call themselves something else, but are, in reality, "stealth liberals" - wolves in sheep's clothing - disingenuous propogandists. When you proclaim your beliefs openly and honestly, you might have to slug it out all day. But, at the end of the day, at least you can retire with honor.
     
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    I will give my interpretation of these words.....regardless of the labels and the bias they stir up....
    conservative: someone who tends to think something thru before acting...
    moderate: more trusting,they believe that all will be well , because they themselves are honorable and believe for a lot of different reasons that others will be honorable too.
    liberal: lacks discipline, a willingness to be affected by outside influences without much consideration.
     
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    Thanks for your input, sagegirl. Those are probably pretty good general definitions. Do you have any thoughts on those same terms as they apply to the political arena?
     
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    Conservative - Someone who loves freedom and wants to protect the Constitution from being destroyed. Someone who believes in traditional values. Someone who things children are supposed to be nutured and taught and not murdered.

    Liberal - Someone who wants to liberate society from the Constitution. Someone who thinks that society would be free in either Anarchy or a socialist government.

    Moderate - Someone who is uniformed about the issues.

    Neocons - Imaginary foes of those on the left. or another word for Jews.

    radical reactionary - Environmentalist wacko Feminazi

    commie bastards - John Kerry's campaign contributers
     
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    You know that just bugs the hell outta me too. I mean if some of these organizations like the ACLU would just come out and say they are liberal oriented it wouldn't bug me half as much. But they actually get people to believe they are non-partisan. Its like the "Fair and Balanced Film Society" at my brother's high school. It's a political film club so to speak. Obviously supposed to be fair and balanced. The movies they've shown so far? Uncovered: The War In Iraq , Outfoxed: Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism, Fahrenheit 9/11, and Bush Family Fortunes. That kind of crap just burns me up.
     
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    "Fair and Balanced Film Society"....LMAO! The establishment knows when it's being hurt. Terms like "fair and balanced" out them for the intellectually dishonest creeps they are - so they try to co-opt it. What could illustrate this better than the fact that Bill Maher's network TV show was called, "Politically Incorrect"? They can't have all this awkward, inconvenient TRUTH gushing out!

    From the liberal handbook: When you're getting your ass kicked by the facts, dilute, deflect, misdirect!
     

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