Let's acknowledge the indisputable sad truth on this Independence Day

[keepitreal]

Thats a pretty sad perspective that you have and while much of what you say exists it is only a small part of a much bigger picture.

Sad perspective... I wish! No, its the sad reality!

Nothing is small, the bigger picture was and is ignored!

Our country has been evolving since its inception... We are constantly fixing things and dealing with new problems.

People's ideology has been evolving
We aren't nor haven't fixed shit....
we're dealing with the problems from appeasing others
and failing to hold people accountable in government

We created slaves and the eradicated them. We didn't give women equal rights and then we fix that...

We didn't create slaves nor slavery....
people have been forced into slavery for thousands of years
and slavery continues to this day!

Women and equal rights my ass! Fixed what?
Screwing up traditional roles of a man and a woman

We have just recently accepted the rights of LGBT individuals and are starting to treat them like humans...

Don't get me started!

And during all this time we have put a man on the moon, built the most powerful army in the world, stood as a pillar for opportunity and fairness, created the largest technological advancement in human history with the computer, internet, medical advancements... we provide aid to those who suffer around the world... I can go on all day...

We put a man on the moon but, we depleted our forests,
poisoned our seas, oceans, rivers, lakes, soil and land,
disrupting untold ecosystems and cry about climate change.

We built the most powerful army in the world,
yet, violence plagues our inner cities

Stood as a pillar for opportunity and fairness??
What color is the sky on your planet?

Created the largest technological advancement
in human history with the computer, internet, medical advancements...

Yet, we can't seem to protect it from hackers,
it's used to pry on the people using it,
and has contributed to laziness and vulnerability

Medical advancements...
surgically changing a persons gender
and a pop a pill for every ill generation,
yet, they still can't find a cure for cancer

You have to be able to recognize and appreciate these amazing accomplishments that our nation has achieved and the hard work that millions of people do every day to further the greatness of our country.

People need to recognize what is destroying our country
by continuing to allow perversions, unaccountability
and concessions and start seeing the bigger picture!

Wow, the way your brain works is fascinating. When I read your response I hear you stepping all over yourself. You complain about us poisoning our environment but then complain about climate change advocates... you acknowledge our advancement in technology but then complain about hacking issues... you say we didn't create slavery or fix it yet we brought it to this country then decided to abolish it. You try and make the point that we've made no progress with woman's rights because more are working professionals and not in the kitchen? You acknowledge the power of our army but then bring up inner city violence...

Yes you are talking about real things in SOME of your examples but you seem to be scrambling to focus only on negative elements, some of which have nothing to do with the original point. So yes, it's a very sad perspective that you have... I hope you can open your eyes to the brighter side of the equation every once in a while. It will do wonders for your mental health

Wow, the way your brain works is fascinating. When I read your response I hear you stepping all over yourself.

Lol...really now...my brain works just fine.
I look at reality and tell it like it is
I wasn't stepping all over myself,
I was stepping all over your selective reality!

Thats a pretty sad perspective that you have and while much of what you say exists it is only a small part of a much bigger picture.

Whose stepping all over themselves^

You complain about us poisoning our environment but then complain about climate change advocates...

This response and the ones to follow
are perfect examples of ignoring the bigger picture

I wasn't complaining, I was making a point
When environmentalists and conservationists
were outspoken and adamant concerning the consequences
of depleting the forests and the ripple effect it would have
on every ecosystem, chaining themselves to trees....

They were ignored and written off as looney tree huggers
with no relevant science to back up their predictions.
They had it right though...didn't they

And, were are we now....
thinking we can reverse what is irreversible
money and greed didn't care about the bigger picture then,
but, once again, its money and greed that cares now.

you acknowledge our advancement in technology but then complain about hacking issues...

Hacking wasn't the only thing I mentioned.
I find it comical that you brag how we advanced technology,
yet, we are unable to advance protecting the technology

Technological advancements at what true cost?
Technology has done more harm then good

you say we didn't create slavery or fix it yet we brought it to this country then decided to abolish it.

Our country didn't create slavery....
what if Africans didn't hit the shores of America
what if Africans were not taken from their land

The violation of African natives through slavery
provided the passage into America, for African Americans today

You try and make the point that we've made no progress with woman's rights because more are working professionals and not in the kitchen?

Basic rights and someone's hang ups, are 2 different things

Just like slavery was common place
just like homosexuality was illegal
men worked to provide for the family unit
and women took care of the household and family

The women's rights movement went beyond basic rights
and turned into a defiant and assertive feminist movement
which unraveled the fabric of a women's role in society.

If a woman has children, she has a career.
I'm not talking about women who have to work,
I'm talking about women who choose a career over family.

My sister was a live in nanny for a couple
who lived in a gorgeous house in Lincoln Park.
They had 3 children and both parents were professionals.

My sister got the kids up, fixed their breakfast,
made their lunches while the kids got dressed for school,
and made sure they had their backpacks
before leaving the house to drop them off.

She would run errands and do shopping for the house
and the chores written on the dry erase board for that day.

When it was time, she would pick up the kids from school
and, depending on the day, would drop each of them off at....
a swimming class
piano lessons
guitar lessons
trumpet lessons
tennis lessons
soccer practice
baseball practice
dance classes

by the time she was dropping off the 3rd kid,
it was time to swing back to pick up the first.

They'd get back to the house, do their schoolwork,
she'd fix dinner and get them ready for bed.
This was Monday through Friday.

Both parents were gone before the kids were up
and the kids were already sleeping when they got home

How sad

Just because a woman has the right
to choose to terminate a pregnancy
doesn't mean she has the right to be irresponsible

Just because a person has the right
to have relationships with the same sex, doesn't mean
they have a right to force their lifestyle on society

Just because people have moral convictions
doesn't give others the right to cry discrimination

Just because a woman has the right to have children
doesn't give her the right to have children she can't
financially support because she can seek financial support

Just because someone has the right, doesn't give them the right
to contribute to the decay of society and rewrite our standards

You acknowledge the power of our army but then bring up inner city violence

We can not control our borders any more then our streets

We will use our military might in desert wastelands
yet, we don't go after the unstable kook in North Korea

Yes you are talking about real things in SOME of your examples but you seem to be scrambling to focus only on negative elements, some of which have nothing to do with the original point.

I'm not scrambling anything...I live in reality

I don't live in La la land,
riding unicorns and eating cotton candy
with my head shoved so far up my ass
I have to open my mouth just to see where I'm going

I responded to your post, not the OP

So yes, it's a very sad perspective that you have... I hope you can open your eyes to the brighter side of the equation every once in a while. It will do wonders for your mental health

I hope you can pull your head out of your ass....
it would do wonders for the health of society!

 

[Slade3200]

Thats a pretty sad perspective that you have and while much of what you say exists it is only a small part of a much bigger picture.

Sad perspective... I wish! No, its the sad reality!

Nothing is small, the bigger picture was and is ignored!

Our country has been evolving since its inception... We are constantly fixing things and dealing with new problems.

People's ideology has been evolving
We aren't nor haven't fixed shit....
we're dealing with the problems from appeasing others
and failing to hold people accountable in government

We created slaves and the eradicated them. We didn't give women equal rights and then we fix that...

We didn't create slaves nor slavery....
people have been forced into slavery for thousands of years
and slavery continues to this day!

Women and equal rights my ass! Fixed what?
Screwing up traditional roles of a man and a woman

We have just recently accepted the rights of LGBT individuals and are starting to treat them like humans...

Don't get me started!

And during all this time we have put a man on the moon, built the most powerful army in the world, stood as a pillar for opportunity and fairness, created the largest technological advancement in human history with the computer, internet, medical advancements... we provide aid to those who suffer around the world... I can go on all day...

We put a man on the moon but, we depleted our forests,
poisoned our seas, oceans, rivers, lakes, soil and land,
disrupting untold ecosystems and cry about climate change.

We built the most powerful army in the world,
yet, violence plagues our inner cities

Stood as a pillar for opportunity and fairness??
What color is the sky on your planet?

Created the largest technological advancement
in human history with the computer, internet, medical advancements...

Yet, we can't seem to protect it from hackers,
it's used to pry on the people using it,
and has contributed to laziness and vulnerability

Medical advancements...
surgically changing a persons gender
and a pop a pill for every ill generation,
yet, they still can't find a cure for cancer

You have to be able to recognize and appreciate these amazing accomplishments that our nation has achieved and the hard work that millions of people do every day to further the greatness of our country.

People need to recognize what is destroying our country
by continuing to allow perversions, unaccountability
and concessions and start seeing the bigger picture!

Wow, the way your brain works is fascinating. When I read your response I hear you stepping all over yourself. You complain about us poisoning our environment but then complain about climate change advocates... you acknowledge our advancement in technology but then complain about hacking issues... you say we didn't create slavery or fix it yet we brought it to this country then decided to abolish it. You try and make the point that we've made no progress with woman's rights because more are working professionals and not in the kitchen? You acknowledge the power of our army but then bring up inner city violence...

Yes you are talking about real things in SOME of your examples but you seem to be scrambling to focus only on negative elements, some of which have nothing to do with the original point. So yes, it's a very sad perspective that you have... I hope you can open your eyes to the brighter side of the equation every once in a while. It will do wonders for your mental health

Wow, the way your brain works is fascinating. When I read your response I hear you stepping all over yourself.

Lol...really now...my brain works just fine.
I look at reality and tell it like it is
I wasn't stepping all over myself,
I was stepping all over your selective reality!

Thats a pretty sad perspective that you have and while much of what you say exists it is only a small part of a much bigger picture.

Whose stepping all over themselves^

You complain about us poisoning our environment but then complain about climate change advocates...

This response and the ones to follow
are perfect examples of ignoring the bigger picture

I wasn't complaining, I was making a point
When environmentalists and conservationists
were outspoken and adamant concerning the consequences
of depleting the forests and the ripple effect it would have
on every ecosystem, chaining themselves to trees....

They were ignored and written off as looney tree huggers
with no relevant science to back up their predictions.
They had it right though...didn't they

And, were are we now....
thinking we can reverse what is irreversible
money and greed didn't care about the bigger picture then,
but, once again, its money and greed that cares now.

you acknowledge our advancement in technology but then complain about hacking issues...

Hacking wasn't the only thing I mentioned.
I find it comical that you brag how we advanced technology,
yet, we are unable to advance protecting the technology

Technological advancements at what true cost?
Technology has done more harm then good

you say we didn't create slavery or fix it yet we brought it to this country then decided to abolish it.

Our country didn't create slavery....
what if Africans didn't hit the shores of America
what if Africans were not taken from their land

The violation of African natives through slavery
provided the passage into America, for African Americans today

You try and make the point that we've made no progress with woman's rights because more are working professionals and not in the kitchen?

Basic rights and someone's hang ups, are 2 different things

Just like slavery was common place
just like homosexuality was illegal
men worked to provide for the family unit
and women took care of the household and family

The women's rights movement went beyond basic rights
and turned into a defiant and assertive feminist movement
which unraveled the fabric of a women's role in society.

If a woman has children, she has a career.
I'm not talking about women who have to work,
I'm talking about women who choose a career over family.

My sister was a live in nanny for a couple
who lived in a gorgeous house in Lincoln Park.
They had 3 children and both parents were professionals.

My sister got the kids up, fixed their breakfast,
made their lunches while the kids got dressed for school,
and made sure they had their backpacks
before leaving the house to drop them off.

She would run errands and do shopping for the house
and the chores written on the dry erase board for that day.

When it was time, she would pick up the kids from school
and, depending on the day, would drop each of them off at....
a swimming class
piano lessons
guitar lessons
trumpet lessons
tennis lessons
soccer practice
baseball practice
dance classes

by the time she was dropping off the 3rd kid,
it was time to swing back to pick up the first.

They'd get back to the house, do their schoolwork,
she'd fix dinner and get them ready for bed.
This was Monday through Friday.

Both parents were gone before the kids were up
and the kids were already sleeping when they got home

How sad

Just because a woman has the right
to choose to terminate a pregnancy
doesn't mean she has the right to be irresponsible

Just because a person has the right
to have relationships with the same sex, doesn't mean
they have a right to force their lifestyle on society

Just because people have moral convictions
doesn't give others the right to cry discrimination

Just because a woman has the right to have children
doesn't give her the right to have children she can't
financially support because she can seek financial support

Just because someone has the right, doesn't give them the right
to contribute to the decay of society and rewrite our standards

You acknowledge the power of our army but then bring up inner city violence

We can not control our borders any more then our streets

We will use our military might in desert wastelands
yet, we don't go after the unstable kook in North Korea

Yes you are talking about real things in SOME of your examples but you seem to be scrambling to focus only on negative elements, some of which have nothing to do with the original point.

I'm not scrambling anything...I live in reality

I don't live in La la land,
riding unicorns and eating cotton candy
with my head shoved so far up my ass
I have to open my mouth just to see where I'm going

I responded to your post, not the OP

So yes, it's a very sad perspective that you have... I hope you can open your eyes to the brighter side of the equation every once in a while. It will do wonders for your mental health

I hope you can pull your head out of your ass....
it would do wonders for the health of society!

I'd be up all night responding to all that you wrote. I'm just going to keep it simple and concise, maybe we can get this discussion on point. You are entitled to your views, there isn't one policy that everybody is going to agree with... You can take any situation, pick it apart and focus on the negative, but what I don't like about your style is the fact that you only point out the negative and seem unwilling to acknowledge the positive. Perhaps the world that I want to live in is very different than the world that you want to live in. So my view that society has evolved positively is my truth and your view that it hasn't is your truth. I won't say that you are wrong but I will say that I disagree.

 

[Two Thumbs]

trump is an adult?mmmkay

Well...President Trump is a billionaire who has run a multitude of large businesses. His predecessor - Barack Insane Obama - was a community organizer who never held a real job before his 2-year stint as a junior Senator.

his actions and reactions are not those I would call adult, let alone mature.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm disappointed with the left.

I totally expected to be getting called a sexist for having the same views that made me a racist that were just my views the day before Obama was sworn in.

but 'extremist' sounds good.

beats "The murder party", which is what the dnc has become

You hypocritical partisans crack me up. You are no better than those who you despise.

so you deny that we were called cons one day then the next we were all racists, and you deny the incredibly high probability that we would have been called sexists.

you also deny that they left has started to murder people on the right.


your level of delusion is astounding.

I dont play the cherry pick partisan games. There this thing called reality that you need to find if you want to be taken seriously

so a man wasn't really beaten to death, with pipes.
a man didn't really try to gun down a team of gop reps.


you need meds

 

[Slade3200]

I'm disappointed with the left.

I totally expected to be getting called a sexist for having the same views that made me a racist that were just my views the day before Obama was sworn in.

but 'extremist' sounds good.

beats "The murder party", which is what the dnc has become

You hypocritical partisans crack me up. You are no better than those who you despise.

so you deny that we were called cons one day then the next we were all racists, and you deny the incredibly high probability that we would have been called sexists.

you also deny that they left has started to murder people on the right.


your level of delusion is astounding.

I dont play the cherry pick partisan games. There this thing called reality that you need to find if you want to be taken seriously

so a man wasn't really beaten to death, with pipes.
a man didn't really try to gun down a team of gop reps.


you need meds

Do you understand what cherry picked means? There are crazies on all sides of the spectrum. An entire party or ideology is not defined by the acts of a few. It's laughable that you even imply so.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm disappointed with the left.

I totally expected to be getting called a sexist for having the same views that made me a racist that were just my views the day before Obama was sworn in.

but 'extremist' sounds good.

beats "The murder party", which is what the dnc has become

You hypocritical partisans crack me up. You are no better than those who you despise.

so you deny that we were called cons one day then the next we were all racists, and you deny the incredibly high probability that we would have been called sexists.

you also deny that they left has started to murder people on the right.


your level of delusion is astounding.

I keep saying that I don't understand why con-servatives get called racists.

it's a desperation tactic of the left, nothing more.

it's keeps people pissed off and uninformed.

 

[Two Thumbs]

I'm disappointed with the left.

I totally expected to be getting called a sexist for having the same views that made me a racist that were just my views the day before Obama was sworn in.

but 'extremist' sounds good.

beats "The murder party", which is what the dnc has become

You hypocritical partisans crack me up. You are no better than those who you despise.

so you deny that we were called cons one day then the next we were all racists, and you deny the incredibly high probability that we would have been called sexists.

you also deny that they left has started to murder people on the right.


your level of delusion is astounding.

I dont play the cherry pick partisan games. There this thing called reality that you need to find if you want to be taken seriously

so a man wasn't really beaten to death, with pipes.
a man didn't really try to gun down a team of gop reps.


you need meds

Do you understand what cherry picked means? There are crazies on all sides of the spectrum. An entire party or ideology is not defined by the acts of a few. It's laughable that you even imply so.

what I understand is that I called that the left would murder someone within a year weather trump won or not.

the unchecked escalation of violence they have enjoyed led to them killing people with different views.

 

[BULLDOG]

I'm disappointed with the left.

I totally expected to be getting called a sexist for having the same views that made me a racist that were just my views the day before Obama was sworn in.

but 'extremist' sounds good.

beats "The murder party", which is what the dnc has become

The murder party? Are you doing drugs?

 

[Slade3200]

You hypocritical partisans crack me up. You are no better than those who you despise.

so you deny that we were called cons one day then the next we were all racists, and you deny the incredibly high probability that we would have been called sexists.

you also deny that they left has started to murder people on the right.


your level of delusion is astounding.

I dont play the cherry pick partisan games. There this thing called reality that you need to find if you want to be taken seriously

so a man wasn't really beaten to death, with pipes.
a man didn't really try to gun down a team of gop reps.


you need meds

Do you understand what cherry picked means? There are crazies on all sides of the spectrum. An entire party or ideology is not defined by the acts of a few. It's laughable that you even imply so.

what I understand is that I called that the left would murder someone within a year weather trump won or not.

the unchecked escalation of violence they have enjoyed led to them killing people with different views.

Should I point out the Anti Muslim Righties that have killed? Does that represent Trump supporters? Such a dumb argument.

London van attack against Muslims highlights rise in anti-Muslim violence by right-wing extremists

Hate Crimes Against Muslims in US Continue to Rise in 2016

 

[keepitreal]

Thats a pretty sad perspective that you have and while much of what you say exists it is only a small part of a much bigger picture.

Sad perspective... I wish! No, its the sad reality!

Nothing is small, the bigger picture was and is ignored!

Our country has been evolving since its inception... We are constantly fixing things and dealing with new problems.

People's ideology has been evolving
We aren't nor haven't fixed shit....
we're dealing with the problems from appeasing others
and failing to hold people accountable in government

We created slaves and the eradicated them. We didn't give women equal rights and then we fix that...

We didn't create slaves nor slavery....
people have been forced into slavery for thousands of years
and slavery continues to this day!

Women and equal rights my ass! Fixed what?
Screwing up traditional roles of a man and a woman

We have just recently accepted the rights of LGBT individuals and are starting to treat them like humans...

Don't get me started!

And during all this time we have put a man on the moon, built the most powerful army in the world, stood as a pillar for opportunity and fairness, created the largest technological advancement in human history with the computer, internet, medical advancements... we provide aid to those who suffer around the world... I can go on all day...

We put a man on the moon but, we depleted our forests,
poisoned our seas, oceans, rivers, lakes, soil and land,
disrupting untold ecosystems and cry about climate change.

We built the most powerful army in the world,
yet, violence plagues our inner cities

Stood as a pillar for opportunity and fairness??
What color is the sky on your planet?

Created the largest technological advancement
in human history with the computer, internet, medical advancements...

Yet, we can't seem to protect it from hackers,
it's used to pry on the people using it,
and has contributed to laziness and vulnerability

Medical advancements...
surgically changing a persons gender
and a pop a pill for every ill generation,
yet, they still can't find a cure for cancer

You have to be able to recognize and appreciate these amazing accomplishments that our nation has achieved and the hard work that millions of people do every day to further the greatness of our country.

People need to recognize what is destroying our country
by continuing to allow perversions, unaccountability
and concessions and start seeing the bigger picture!

Wow, the way your brain works is fascinating. When I read your response I hear you stepping all over yourself. You complain about us poisoning our environment but then complain about climate change advocates... you acknowledge our advancement in technology but then complain about hacking issues... you say we didn't create slavery or fix it yet we brought it to this country then decided to abolish it. You try and make the point that we've made no progress with woman's rights because more are working professionals and not in the kitchen? You acknowledge the power of our army but then bring up inner city violence...

Yes you are talking about real things in SOME of your examples but you seem to be scrambling to focus only on negative elements, some of which have nothing to do with the original point. So yes, it's a very sad perspective that you have... I hope you can open your eyes to the brighter side of the equation every once in a while. It will do wonders for your mental health

Wow, the way your brain works is fascinating. When I read your response I hear you stepping all over yourself.

Lol...really now...my brain works just fine.
I look at reality and tell it like it is
I wasn't stepping all over myself,
I was stepping all over your selective reality!

Thats a pretty sad perspective that you have and while much of what you say exists it is only a small part of a much bigger picture.

Whose stepping all over themselves^

You complain about us poisoning our environment but then complain about climate change advocates...

This response and the ones to follow
are perfect examples of ignoring the bigger picture

I wasn't complaining, I was making a point
When environmentalists and conservationists
were outspoken and adamant concerning the consequences
of depleting the forests and the ripple effect it would have
on every ecosystem, chaining themselves to trees....

They were ignored and written off as looney tree huggers
with no relevant science to back up their predictions.
They had it right though...didn't they

And, were are we now....
thinking we can reverse what is irreversible
money and greed didn't care about the bigger picture then,
but, once again, its money and greed that cares now.

you acknowledge our advancement in technology but then complain about hacking issues...

Hacking wasn't the only thing I mentioned.
I find it comical that you brag how we advanced technology,
yet, we are unable to advance protecting the technology

Technological advancements at what true cost?
Technology has done more harm then good

you say we didn't create slavery or fix it yet we brought it to this country then decided to abolish it.

Our country didn't create slavery....
what if Africans didn't hit the shores of America
what if Africans were not taken from their land

The violation of African natives through slavery
provided the passage into America, for African Americans today

You try and make the point that we've made no progress with woman's rights because more are working professionals and not in the kitchen?

Basic rights and someone's hang ups, are 2 different things

Just like slavery was common place
just like homosexuality was illegal
men worked to provide for the family unit
and women took care of the household and family

The women's rights movement went beyond basic rights
and turned into a defiant and assertive feminist movement
which unraveled the fabric of a women's role in society.

If a woman has children, she has a career.
I'm not talking about women who have to work,
I'm talking about women who choose a career over family.

My sister was a live in nanny for a couple
who lived in a gorgeous house in Lincoln Park.
They had 3 children and both parents were professionals.

My sister got the kids up, fixed their breakfast,
made their lunches while the kids got dressed for school,
and made sure they had their backpacks
before leaving the house to drop them off.

She would run errands and do shopping for the house
and the chores written on the dry erase board for that day.

When it was time, she would pick up the kids from school
and, depending on the day, would drop each of them off at....
a swimming class
piano lessons
guitar lessons
trumpet lessons
tennis lessons
soccer practice
baseball practice
dance classes

by the time she was dropping off the 3rd kid,
it was time to swing back to pick up the first.

They'd get back to the house, do their schoolwork,
she'd fix dinner and get them ready for bed.
This was Monday through Friday.

Both parents were gone before the kids were up
and the kids were already sleeping when they got home

How sad

Just because a woman has the right
to choose to terminate a pregnancy
doesn't mean she has the right to be irresponsible

Just because a person has the right
to have relationships with the same sex, doesn't mean
they have a right to force their lifestyle on society

Just because people have moral convictions
doesn't give others the right to cry discrimination

Just because a woman has the right to have children
doesn't give her the right to have children she can't
financially support because she can seek financial support

Just because someone has the right, doesn't give them the right
to contribute to the decay of society and rewrite our standards

You acknowledge the power of our army but then bring up inner city violence

We can not control our borders any more then our streets

We will use our military might in desert wastelands
yet, we don't go after the unstable kook in North Korea

Yes you are talking about real things in SOME of your examples but you seem to be scrambling to focus only on negative elements, some of which have nothing to do with the original point.

I'm not scrambling anything...I live in reality

I don't live in La la land,
riding unicorns and eating cotton candy
with my head shoved so far up my ass
I have to open my mouth just to see where I'm going

I responded to your post, not the OP

So yes, it's a very sad perspective that you have... I hope you can open your eyes to the brighter side of the equation every once in a while. It will do wonders for your mental health

I hope you can pull your head out of your ass....
it would do wonders for the health of society!

I'd be up all night responding to all that you wrote. I'm just going to keep it simple and concise, maybe we can get this discussion on point. You are entitled to your views, there isn't one policy that everybody is going to agree with... You can take any situation, pick it apart and focus on the negative, but what I don't like about your style is the fact that you only point out the negative and seem unwilling to acknowledge the positive. Perhaps the world that I want to live in is very different than the world that you want to live in. So my view that society has evolved positively is my truth and your view that it hasn't is your truth. I won't say that you are wrong but I will say that I disagree.

You are entitled to your views, there isn't one policy that everybody is going to agree with...

What is in the best interests of our country
the people and its generations thereof,
is the ONLY basis which should dictate policy!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

--That whenever any Form of Government
becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new Government, laying its foundation
on such principles and organizing its powers in such form,
as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established
should not be changed for light and transient causes;
and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind
are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms
to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses
and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object
evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government,
and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Now, with that said....

what I don't like about your style is the fact that you only point out the negative and seem unwilling to acknowledge the positive.

Umm, we're not talking about the invention of the lightbulb,
air conditioners, televisions and telephones....

Perhaps the world that I want to live in is very different than the world that you want to live in. So my view that society has evolved positively is my truth...

You have got to be fucking kidding me!

That's what I don't like about your style...
your train of thought doesn't have a caboose!

And, that's my truth

 

[Slade3200]

what I don't like about your style is the fact that you only point out the negative and seem unwilling to acknowledge the positive.

Umm, we're not talking about the invention of the lightbulb,
air conditioners, televisions and telephones....

Perhaps the world that I want to live in is very different than the world that you want to live in. So my view that society has evolved positively is my truth...

You have got to be fucking kidding me!

That's what I don't like about your style...
your train of thought doesn't have a caboose!

And, that's my truth

Hey, whatever floats your boat. I for one am always going to promote progress weather we are talking about technology or culture. With progress come problems but also many many new opportunities. To me it sounds like you only focus on the problems and would prefer to live in an earlier time. Thats fine if thats what you want to do but the world is going to pass you by and unfortunately you are setting yourself up to get more bitter with time.

 

[P@triot]

Hey, whatever floats your boat. I for one am always going to promote progress weather we are talking about technology or culture. With progress come problems but also many many new opportunities. To me it sounds like you only focus on the problems and would prefer to live in an earlier time. Thats fine if thats what you want to do but the world is going to pass you by and unfortunately you are setting yourself up to get more bitter with time.

That is where you and I differ, Slade3200. I'm always going to promote liberty. Progress is great (few people love and embrace technology more than I do), but not at the cost of liberty. You can have George Orwell's 1984. I want no part of that shit. I'll take 1776 any day.

 

[Slade3200]

Hey, whatever floats your boat. I for one am always going to promote progress weather we are talking about technology or culture. With progress come problems but also many many new opportunities. To me it sounds like you only focus on the problems and would prefer to live in an earlier time. Thats fine if thats what you want to do but the world is going to pass you by and unfortunately you are setting yourself up to get more bitter with time.

That is where you and I differ, Slade3200. I'm always going to promote liberty. Progress is great (few people love and embrace technology more than I do), but not at the cost of liberty. You can have George Orwell's 1984. I want no part of that shit. I'll take 1776 any day.

I don't disagree with that, I'm all for liberty and freedom as long as we are protecting the vulnerable from being harmed by the powerful. The powerful could be big business or it could also be big government