Let me see if I have this right.

[JakeStarkey]

Retired's re-writing of history is simply tiresome as well as woefully inadequate.

 

[Dr Grump]

I doubt RGS even wrote it. Looks like a cut and paste job to me...could be wrong....

 

[PatekPhilippe]

He said Afghanistan was where our focus should be, now he is disowning his own policies. He's embolding our enemies and ditching our allies.

What did you expect? He's a far left loon and totally unqualified to be the leader of the U.S. military. Obama will end up losing the war in Afghanistan...as a matter of fact...he's already lost it. It's only a question of time before we leave in disgrace ala Black Hawk down.

Nobody has ever controlled Afghanistan. Not even Genghis Khan's grandson Helagu could, and he didn't take any crap.

The Brits tried and failed, as did the Soviets, as did the Taliban. The best you can hope is to police the cities and let the rest of the countryside take care of itself.

Blaming it on Obama is just poppycock and you know it..

So this is an acceptable excuse for us to quit? NATO NEVER stepped up and fulfilled their commitment like they promised after 9/11. Bush, seeing the terrain and futile attempts by all of the countrys YOU mention in your reply sought a different place to engage and destroy the enemy. He was successful!!! Now Obama decides a left wing loon talking point is good for his image...but...he doesn't know jack shit about fighting a war let alone one in Afghanistan THAT NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON!!!

Who's the fucking dope? OBAMA!!!!!

 

[PeterS]

as a democrat i am amazed at what is going on...why are people focusing on acorn..which in the total picture receives very little funding from the federal government? many of these issues are simply what i call..."isses of distraction"...ie. having a beer with the professor and cop..but people focused right in on that...while 3 billion went to clear car inventories...what could 3 billion have done to futher research into a better hybrid or alternative fuel?

the arrests in pittsburg, shocking, flashes of chicago 68...but i am for free speech, even when i dont agree with the speaker.

why are the wars still going on..obama had plans would hit the ground running....seems he has tripped out of the gate...

why are the american people ignoring the wars...no longer do the drums beat over the death count....seems the veterans of these wars are all but forgotten?

what became of the message of unification of this country? we are seemingly more divided than ever..but i do lay that at the feet of the talking heads...division is their bread and butter. it is up to the american people to take charge and stop listening to talking heads.

Bones, elections have consequences, for the 'winners' and 'losers.' Obama had the most liberal record in US Congress, yet ran as a 'hope' & 'change' centrist. He isn't. He said that he was post-partisan, yet with first meeting told the 'other party' to sit down & shut up, 'we won.' That started off the continuing schism within the country, politically. At the same time, he really seems to believe that from him, rhetoric will trump practicality, it's not working for the far left, the right, or the independents.

He started what was continuing? The last part is right but you cannot start what already exists. And do you think we were closer together under Bush or Clinton? Don't pin on Obama the fact that neither the left or right can stand each other...

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

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[Dr Grump]

So this is an acceptable excuse for us to quit? NATO NEVER steeped up and fulfilled their commitment like they promised after 9/11. Bush, seeing the terrain and futile attempts by all of the countrys YOU mention in your reply sought a different place to engage and destroy the enemy. He was successful!!! Now Obama decides a left wing loon talking point is good for his image...but...he doesn't know jack shit about fighting a war let alone one in Afghanistan THAT NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON!!!

Who's the fucking dope? OBAMA!!!!!

Well, Bush got distracted unnecessarily by Iraq. Blaming Obama for Afghanistan is like blaming Nixon for Viet Nam. Put the blame where it lies, then make your point...

 

[PeterS]

What did you expect? He's a far left loon and totally unqualified to be the leader of the U.S. military. Obama will end up losing the war in Afghanistan...as a matter of fact...he's already lost it. It's only a question of time before we leave in disgrace ala Black Hawk down.

Nobody has ever controlled Afghanistan. Not even Genghis Khan's grandson Helagu could, and he didn't take any crap.

The Brits tried and failed, as did the Soviets, as did the Taliban. The best you can hope is to police the cities and let the rest of the countryside take care of itself.

Blaming it on Obama is just poppycock and you know it..

So this is an acceptable excuse for us to quit? NATO NEVER steeped up and fulfilled their commitment like they promised after 9/11. Bush, seeing the terrain and futile attempts by all of the countrys YOU mention in your reply sought a different place to engage and destroy the enemy. He was successful!!! Now Obama decides a left wing loon talking point is good for his image...but...he doesn't know jack shit about fighting a war let alone one in Afghanistan THAT NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON!!!

Who's the fucking dope? OBAMA!!!!!

If we destroyed the enemy then why are we still fighting the enemy?

 

[Ravi]

I doubt RGS even wrote it. Looks like a cut and paste job to me...could be wrong....

Sounds like pure mouth breathing dumb as fuck RGS to me.

 

[Si modo]

I doubt RGS even wrote it. Looks like a cut and paste job to me...could be wrong....

You are wrong. I just did a search of his text and the ONLY search result is this thread.

It's cowardly to make such accusations without foundation.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

So this is an acceptable excuse for us to quit? NATO NEVER steeped up and fulfilled their commitment like they promised after 9/11. Bush, seeing the terrain and futile attempts by all of the countrys YOU mention in your reply sought a different place to engage and destroy the enemy. He was successful!!! Now Obama decides a left wing loon talking point is good for his image...but...he doesn't know jack shit about fighting a war let alone one in Afghanistan THAT NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON!!!

Who's the fucking dope? OBAMA!!!!!

Well, Bush got distracted unnecessarily by Iraq. Blaming Obama for Afghanistan is like blaming Nixon for Viet Nam. Put the blame where it lies, then make your point...

No one's blaming Obama for Afghanistan...we're blaming him for a total lack of competence with resepct to the strategy he has chosen to employ...which he admits...HAS FAILED!!!!

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Nobody has ever controlled Afghanistan. Not even Genghis Khan's grandson Helagu could, and he didn't take any crap.

The Brits tried and failed, as did the Soviets, as did the Taliban. The best you can hope is to police the cities and let the rest of the countryside take care of itself.

Blaming it on Obama is just poppycock and you know it..

So this is an acceptable excuse for us to quit? NATO NEVER steeped up and fulfilled their commitment like they promised after 9/11. Bush, seeing the terrain and futile attempts by all of the countrys YOU mention in your reply sought a different place to engage and destroy the enemy. He was successful!!! Now Obama decides a left wing loon talking point is good for his image...but...he doesn't know jack shit about fighting a war let alone one in Afghanistan THAT NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON!!!

Who's the fucking dope? OBAMA!!!!!

If we destroyed the enemy then why are we still fighting the enemy?

WTF are you talking about...last I heard Bush negotiated the troop withdrawal timetable for Iraq after the troop surge broke the back of the insurgency. A successful strategy employed by a competent Commander in Chief unlike Obama who thinks he's playing Call of Duty on his fricken X-Box.

 

[mdn2000]

So this is an acceptable excuse for us to quit? NATO NEVER steeped up and fulfilled their commitment like they promised after 9/11. Bush, seeing the terrain and futile attempts by all of the countrys YOU mention in your reply sought a different place to engage and destroy the enemy. He was successful!!! Now Obama decides a left wing loon talking point is good for his image...but...he doesn't know jack shit about fighting a war let alone one in Afghanistan THAT NO COUNTRY HAS EVER WON!!!

Who's the fucking dope? OBAMA!!!!!

Well, Bush got distracted unnecessarily by Iraq. Blaming Obama for Afghanistan is like blaming Nixon for Viet Nam. Put the blame where it lies, then make your point...

Yea, what this guy said, its bush, Obama inherited this from Bush. Pooooooor Obama

 

[rightwinger]

Bush put us into not one, but two unwinnable situations

The top exit strategy in both cases was a draw. But to get that draw means we have to keep our troops on the ground indefinitely. Neither region is historically stable. The naive concept of sending the Army, overthrowing the government and having the people happily embrace democracy while singing the praises of the US never had a prayer.

We must choose a point in time where we declare victory and just go home. Both countries will go into eventual civil war but that was the inevitable outcome anyway.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Bush put us into not one, but two unwinnable situations

So Obama will be responsible for losing the war in Afghanistan? Last I heard...Iraq was stepping up to the plate and doing their own fighting. We are leaving Iraq soon in victory thanks to the surge.....unlike Afghanistan where Obama's lack of a comprehensive strategy is resulting in America's waning support for the war.

If you have a bumbling idiot in charge of the U.S. military and are engaged in a war... you will lose the support on the home front because of your stupidity. This is exactly what's happening in this country TODAY with Obama's self admitted failure of the March 2009 strategy he laid out with such fanfare!!

 

[Si modo]

Bush put us into not one, but two unwinnable situations

The top exit strategy in both cases was a draw. But to get that draw means we have to keep our troops on the ground indefinitely. Neither region is historically stable. The naive concept of sending the Army, overthrowing the government and having the people happily embrace democracy while singing the praises of the US never had a prayer.

We must choose a point in time where we declare victory and just go home. Both countries will go into eventual civil war but that was the inevitable outcome anyway.

Same bullshit, different year. In 2007 the panic from the left about Iraq was deafening. "We're losing! It's hopeless! The sky is falling!"

Iraq is fine.

Now the same crap about Afghanistan.

 

[rightwinger]

Bush put us into not one, but two unwinnable situations

The top exit strategy in both cases was a draw. But to get that draw means we have to keep our troops on the ground indefinitely. Neither region is historically stable. The naive concept of sending the Army, overthrowing the government and having the people happily embrace democracy while singing the praises of the US never had a prayer.

We must choose a point in time where we declare victory and just go home. Both countries will go into eventual civil war but that was the inevitable outcome anyway.

Same bullshit, different year. In 2007 the panic from the left about Iraq was deafening. "We're losing! It's hopeless! The sky is falling!"

Iraq is fine.

Now the same crap about Afghanistan.

Oh yes....I remember...."Mission Accomplished"

Neither nation is "fine"

None of the underlying conflics have been resolved. As long as we have soldiers walking down the street...everything is "fine"

Its what happens after the soldiers leave

 

[HUGGY]

When Bush doubled the deficit in 8 years that was BAD. Obama doubling the new already doubled deficit in 4 years is GOOD.

When Bush agreed to help push for bailing out the banks, that was BAD. Obama creating a bailout for Car companies and not letting anyone read the bill, was GOOD.

When Bush supported the Afghan war that was BAD. When Obama supports the Afghan war, that is GOOD.

When Bush was President and the unemployment rate went to 7 percent, that was BAD. Obama is President, promised it would not pass 8 percent if his stimulus was passed, it is now almost 10 percent and still climbing and that is GOOD.

When Bush was President, giving loans to people that could not pay them back was BAD. ( even though he had nothing to do with it) Obama is President and supports the continued giving of loans to the same people that can not pay the loans back and that is GOOD.

When Bush was President demanding Iran fess up and be stopped from building nukes was BAD. Obama is President and threatens Iran and that is GOOD.

When Bush was President, any domestic terrorists caught were all set up by the Government. Obama is now President and all domestic terrorists are REALLY terrorists. Including people that are not even terrorists, like military veterans, abortion protesters, people that believe in God and being armed and are republican. Anyone that disagrees with Obama on any issue.

When Bush was President indefinite detention of Terror suspects was BAD, Unconstitutional and illegal. Now that Obama is President holding them indefinitely is GOOD. Using, I might add , Congressional Authority passed under Bush when the left said it was BAD.

Under Bush 55 Republican Senators had total control, according to the left, of the Senate. Under Obama the democrats have 58 Democratic Senators, 2 Independents that vote with the Democrats and up to 6 Republicans that will usually vote with the democrats, but the Republicans are blocking all legislation.

Under Obama 265 Democratic House of Representative members are opposed by 170 Republican members. It only takes 218 votes to pass anything in the house, yet the Republicans are blocking all important legislation in the House.

Under Bush Iraq was lost, no chance to ever leave, a quagmire, Under Obama Iraq is a stable Country able to actually preform its own security both internal and on the Borders. Never mind that all the developments that lead to this occurred under Bush's watch.

Under Bush, sending more troops to Afghanistan was the worst idea ever floated. Under Obam not only have thousands more troops been sent, but even more are being asked for and this is GOOD.

I wonder what I have missed?

Change you can believe in.

When Bush supported the Afghan war that was BAD. When Obama supports the Afghan war, that is GOOD.


You were good until it was bad.

Everyone supported going into Afgahnistan to get Al Kaida. Going into Iraq based on lies was bad.

 

[Si modo]

Bush put us into not one, but two unwinnable situations

The top exit strategy in both cases was a draw. But to get that draw means we have to keep our troops on the ground indefinitely. Neither region is historically stable. The naive concept of sending the Army, overthrowing the government and having the people happily embrace democracy while singing the praises of the US never had a prayer.

We must choose a point in time where we declare victory and just go home. Both countries will go into eventual civil war but that was the inevitable outcome anyway.

Same bullshit, different year. In 2007 the panic from the left about Iraq was deafening. "We're losing! It's hopeless! The sky is falling!"

Iraq is fine.

Now the same crap about Afghanistan.

Oh yes....I remember...."Mission Accomplished"

Neither nation is "fine"

None of the underlying conflics have been resolved. As long as we have soldiers walking down the street...everything is "fine"

Its what happens after the soldiers leave

If it's not "fine", why such lack of interest in Iraq now, eh? A partisan recently told me why: No one is interested in Iraq now. BHO is in office.

And they were deadly serious.

Same bullshit. Partisan bullshit.

It doesn't matter who is in office or what their party is if one actually gives a shit about the military and national security.

 

[rightwinger]

Same bullshit, different year. In 2007 the panic from the left about Iraq was deafening. "We're losing! It's hopeless! The sky is falling!"

Iraq is fine.

Now the same crap about Afghanistan.

Oh yes....I remember...."Mission Accomplished"

Neither nation is "fine"

None of the underlying conflics have been resolved. As long as we have soldiers walking down the street...everything is "fine"

Its what happens after the soldiers leave

If it's not "fine", why such lack of interest in Iraq now, eh? A partisan recently told me why: No one is interested in Iraq now. BHO is in office.

And they were deadly serious.

Same bullshit. Partisan bullshit.

It doesn't matter who is in office or what their party is if one actually gives a shit about the military and national security.

Things are "fine" in Iraq because we have withdrawn from the hot zones. People are still being killed in Iraq, they are just not our people.

But we never cared about what happens to the Iraqi people so....So What?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Oh yes....I remember...."Mission Accomplished"

Neither nation is "fine"

None of the underlying conflics have been resolved. As long as we have soldiers walking down the street...everything is "fine"

Its what happens after the soldiers leave

If it's not "fine", why such lack of interest in Iraq now, eh? A partisan recently told me why: No one is interested in Iraq now. BHO is in office.

And they were deadly serious.

Same bullshit. Partisan bullshit.

It doesn't matter who is in office or what their party is if one actually gives a shit about the military and national security.

Things are "fine" in Iraq because we have withdrawn from the hot zones. People are still being killed in Iraq, they are just not our people.

But we never cared about what happens to the Iraqi people so....So What?

People are still being killed in Canada....they are just not our people.