Lazy Europeans

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    What Ails Belgium? <break/> Workers' Sick Time - WSJ.com

    The Belgians make the best beer though.
     
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    I don't get your point, you re saying Europeans in general are lazy because they take more days of for being sick?

    What I do agree with is that the socialistic workers system in Europe is the cause of this, it gives workers more rights then anywhere else in the world. And this is the problem: the system is being taken advantage of by some workers.

    "Belgium's economy and its transportation infrastructure are integrated with the rest of Europe. Its location at the heart of a highly industrialized region helps made it 2007 the world's 15th largest trading nation. The economy is characterized by a highly productive work force, high GNP, and high exports per capita." Belgium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Let s not forget that Belgium is a Nation with 10 million inhabitants and isn't even the size of a peanut on a world-scaled map.

    And lets also not forget that for the moment the word "European" is an empty word, because their is very little that can define a European other then "a person living in Europe" (Although that might get tricky too if Turkey would ever join the EU): European Unity is simply something that doesn't exist, it s more like being part of a collection of states that work together very closely.

    The situation in Belgium is just more complex than just the sick-day culture, this is a specific problem that is being magnified although one thing is true: the socialistic system is becoming a problem, workers seem to have become too powerful (in some cases) compared to their employers and unions seem to take too much advantage of their power given by the law.

    The present system is a heritage of the past where employers were abused by their employers and had to be protected. This caused the socialistic politic parties to gain much power all over Europe and the results of that are still visible in laws, although it is good that workers are protected in the case that an employer abuses them it now has become also a problem that the workers seem to be overprotected and sometimes abusing this. Now it seems that socialistic parties all over Europe are loosing, so hopefully this will balance the social system more.

    Ironically the depression and suicide rate are not always the result of not working (as it is claimed in the article), in Flanders (part of Belgium) it is the result of working too much and the result of a society that revolves around working (with stress as result). That is the situation in Flanders (Dutch speaking part of Belgium with a low unemployment rate and a good economy).

    In another part of the Country the situation is different (Wallonia and Brussels): high unemployment and a bad economy are the cause of these depressions and high suicide rates.

    So the situation is complex, in Wallonia and Brussels what you say is true but in Flanders the opposite is true so it makes the general picture about Belgium untrue.
     
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    What's wrong with the Belgians?

    Too many waffles, I expect.

    I had one at the New York World's Fair in 1961, and I'm still regretting it.
     
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    We'll see what happens when businesses finally figure out that it doesn't pay to operate in Belgium. Then all those go get em ambitious workers they have can call out sick 365 days a year
     
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    Well, for some reason this was the case in the last 60 years or so, in Germany too. And for some reason Germany now exports more manufractured goods than the USA.

    If workers rights stop investment, than all industrial activities would be in China.
     
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    On the contrary, there is a collective European identity, not as strong as national or regional identities obviously, but nonetheless a potent one. Otherwise, you're denying the ethnic, linguistic, religious, cultural, political, and historical characteristics that European cultures have in common, and separate them from the rest of the world, even North America.
     
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    i work for the USPS,and we get 13 days a year,and believe me,there are those who call in quite often.....:eusa_angel:
     
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    Yes a potent one, because all modern European civilizations are based upon the religion of Christianity and the things that come from that religion and the ideals of democracy, freedom is what mostly binds European Nations together. That is if you don't see Turkey as part of Europe at least, in my opinion Turkey is not European because of geographical, religious and cultural reasons. But language is the biggest barrier that separates us from each other, you can't even travel (and communicate with everyone) through the whole of Europe if you don't know less then 4 languages. Although I know that the youth is changing things, all over Europe they seem to know/learn English these days. It would be cool to have such a bridge-language that you could use in every European nation to communicate, I hope this will be something that will be true in the future.
     
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    On the contry it was moving away from religion and becoming more progressive, that gave birth the deomcracy in europe, the first parilmentry countries being england and holland who were the two main proponents of protestism. Religion only held back progress, the industrial revolution started in the protestant countries.
    Infact alot of the early technology and ideas were taken from islam india and china. euope doesn't stand alone in history, and it wasn't always christian
     
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    Europe still shares Christian values although we may be unaware of it today (that they originally are religious values because they are drained in our traditions and customs), because they have been in our laws from before WWII. We all share a past of Christianity and the values that came from that religion. Protestism really is still a christian religion that today has little values that really are different from the catholic church. Initially religion held back progress, but after the struggle christianity became mostly part of that progress by not interfering with it (unlike other religions in this world).

    The industrial revolution started in the UK, wich had nothing to do with religion. Except the non-interference of the religion, just like the Catholic church (the second country were it started was Belgium, a catholic country/region) did not interfere with the industrial revolution. The most important thing is the non-interference ("secularity") of this religion after europeans won the struggle against its separation from the state. This allowed us to have a modern democracy, freedom, ... .

    No Europe wasn't always christian, but modern day europe is unified by christian values and the respect of secularity by the christian religions after its struggle against the separation of church and state.

    True very important early technology came from India and muslim countries (wich weren't muslim at that time) mostly through trade.
     
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