daveman
Diamond Member
Science isn't done by consensus. Politics is.I'm sure it comforts your scared and feeble mind to believe that, but no.Hyper-emotional fear mongering? That is the environmentalist left with an agenda. An honorable agenda, but an admittedly alarmist one at times. and they often have science on their side
remember acid rain, smog from autos/trucks, cigarettes not causing cancer?
The wingnut agenda has forever been using junk science to create doubt. Why? They are reactionaries. They would burn down the house to kill a spider if they were told spiders are leftists.
The left wants to burn down the economies of the Western world to "save it" from AGW. Not only can they not prove their claims about CO2, but they have no idea what impact their meddling with the biosphere would do.
But it's okay, since they mean well.
Evidently a consensus in science on man's contribution to global warming/climate change is different from the political one.
I had no idea the Scientific community world wide and the Academies of Science wanted to burn down the economies of the Western world.
Does FOX News know about this?
IPCC Official:
IPCC OFFICIAL: CLIMATE POLICY IS REDISTRIBUTING THE WORLDS WEALTH
Date: 18/11/10
Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the worlds resources will be negotiated.
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The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.
That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.
That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.
Basically its a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.
Date: 18/11/10
Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the worlds resources will be negotiated.
--
The new thing about your proposal for a Global Deal is the stress on the importance of development policy for climate policy. Until now, many think of aid when they hear development policies.
That will change immediately if global emission rights are distributed. If this happens, on a per capita basis, then Africa will be the big winner, and huge amounts of money will flow there. This will have enormous implications for development policy. And it will raise the question if these countries can deal responsibly with so much money at all.
That does not sound anymore like the climate policy that we know.
Basically its a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization. The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War. Why? Because we have 11,000 gigatons of carbon in the coal reserves in the soil under our feet and we must emit only 400 gigatons in the atmosphere if we want to keep the 2-degree target. 11 000 to 400 there is no getting around the fact that most of the fossil reserves must remain in the soil.
De facto, this means an expropriation of the countries with natural resources. This leads to a very different development from that which has been triggered by development policy.
First of all, developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community. But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the worlds wealth by climate policy. Obviously, the owners of coal and oil will not be enthusiastic about this. One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.