Largest tax increase in history?

Good gosh it doesn't take a crystal ball to figure it out. Yes, this is going to be a huge tax on all the american citizens. This obamacare will be the ruinnation of jobs, and finances for people. You will be owned by the gov't and anything you make will go to them. Big gov't wants your money.....duh.

How can it be a big tax increase for all american citizens when it only applies to those who would choose not to be insured?

The rest of your post is equally unsubstantiated nonsense

HaHa. And you really believe its only going to effect the ones who don't choose not to be insured. Well dude you are going to sure as heck find out fast how it effects all American citizens. Theres more than just one tax on the books that pertain to Obamatax. I suggest you do some reading before you have a heart attack. And if you do have one make sure you do before 2014. It might take a little longer to see a doctor at that time.
 
Republican hyperbole is already in overdrive. "Largest tax increase in history" "$500 billion tax increase"

Here is what Justice Roberts said..

[IThe Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax.] [/I]

What is considered a tax is the penalty for those who do not have health insurance..........How do Republicans spin that into the largest tax increase in history?
Hoisted on your petard.

It is the largest tax increase in American history.

Because if it is not a tax increase, it is un-Constitutional.

Take your pick.

Bullshit.........ever heard of the Revenue Act of 1913?

Regardless ....Obamacare was funded by the healthcare sector. When Obama started talking healthcare, Republicans SCREAMED....We can't aford it

So a healthcare plan was formulated which taxes some sectors of healthcare to pay for others. A bill which is fully funded unlike Republican Medicare Part D
So, you are going with largest tax hike in history.

Got it.
 
Republican hyperbole is already in overdrive. "Largest tax increase in history" "$500 billion tax increase"

Here is what Justice Roberts said..

[IThe Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax.] [/I]

What is considered a tax is the penalty for those who do not have health insurance..........How do Republicans spin that into the largest tax increase in history?

Hello idiot, note that the justice that approved this bill are exempt from having to use this plan and the congress have their own plan. This is just for fools like your and I.
 
Interesting game that Republicans play..

They scream....You can't pass healthcare.....You can't pass healthcare.....we can't afford it

So Obama comes up with a self supporting healthcare plan which takes money from one sector and uses it in another. It pays for itself

Now Republicans whimper......But....but....you are taxing some people

Face it Republicans...You do not want Americans to have affordable healthcare no matter what the solution

Please tell us you aren't that stupid!? The law has 21 taxes that will be collected to "support" it. Where do you think the tax money will come from? From the middle class! Self supporting. Sheesh! Wanna buy a nice bridge?

How else do you think bills should be funded?

Obamacare went through multiple funding iterations to make sure it was a fully funded program with sustainable funding.

More Bullshit from Conservatives who insisted funding had to be in place for a bill they had no intention of voting for
I don't want it funded. I want it shredded and burned and poured into the ocean, never to be seen again.
 
Because only an idiot thinks you can add millions into a system and it won't cost anything.

Please, rightwinger, describe what happens in this situation:

1) Unemployed person on food stamps...doesn't have insurance...you think they are going to pay a tax?
2) Above person goes to doctor for general care where they never use to cause they couldn't pay for it...who pays for it? Is it free?

Above person now goes to a doctor, instead of the ER where it can cost triple the amount of a doctors visit or urgent care. Above person then can't pay ER bill, so above person's doctor has to charge others more due to above person not paying their bill. Who pays for it? ER visits aren't free.
 
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Good gosh it doesn't take a crystal ball to figure it out. Yes, this is going to be a huge tax on all the american citizens. This obamacare will be the ruinnation of jobs, and finances for people. You will be owned by the gov't and anything you make will go to them.
 
Because only an idiot thinks you can add millions into a system and it won't cost anything.

Please, rightwinger, describe what happens in this situation:

1) Unemployed person on food stamps...doesn't have insurance...you think they are going to pay a tax?
2) Above person goes to doctor for general care where they never use to cause they couldn't pay for it...who pays for it? Is it free?

Above person now goes to a doctor, instead of the ER where it can cost triple the amount of a doctors visit or urgent care. Above person then can't pay ER bill, so above person's doctor has to charge others more due to above person not paying their bill. Who pays for it? ER visits aren't free.

But the doctor visits are free...got it
 
If the government can tax people enough so that they can no longer provide for their own needs, the government can now step in and provide for them the very things they used to be able to do for themselves. That's the model in Sweden, Norway and Denmark.
 
Because only an idiot thinks you can add millions into a system and it won't cost anything.

Please, rightwinger, describe what happens in this situation:

1) Unemployed person on food stamps...doesn't have insurance...you think they are going to pay a tax?
2) Above person goes to doctor for general care where they never use to cause they couldn't pay for it...who pays for it? Is it free?

Above person now goes to a doctor, instead of the ER where it can cost triple the amount of a doctors visit or urgent care. Above person then can't pay ER bill, so above person's doctor has to charge others more due to above person not paying their bill. Who pays for it? ER visits aren't free.

Why do people go to the ER?????? Because unlike a private doctor's office they don't have to pay before receiving treatment. That is why the ER is plagued by people who aren't experiencing an actual emergency, and they can't be turned away.

How many of these people actually pay that ER bill? If they had the damn money why wouldn't the go to a doctor's office which is cheaper then the ER.

I've worked as an EMT, and there are people that literally uses EMS as their primary care giver, calling ambulances when they simply need a ride to the hospital. These people, DEMOCRATS, falsely believe all of it is free. They have no intention of paying any of those bills.
 
Oh, and the reports of the cost of it doubling are also totally bullshit, even according The Conservative Nationalist Review:

No, Obamacare

(Sure, they still hate on the bill, but at least the author is practicing intellectual honesty)

None of this, of course, indicates that Obamacare is anything less than the Brobdingnagian bureaucracy we’ve always known it to be. And there was indeed plenty of fishy accounting in the bill (the late CLASS Act being a perfect example). But the CBO’s new projections don’t substantially alter the picture we got in 2010, and it’s utterly dishonest to claim otherwise.
 
Republican hyperbole is already in overdrive. "Largest tax increase in history" "$500 billion tax increase"

Here is what Justice Roberts said..

[IThe Federal Government does not have the power to order people to buy health insurance. Section 5000A would therefore be unconstitutional if read as a command. The Federal Government does have the power to impose a tax on those without health insurance. Section 5000A is therefore constitutional, because it can reasonably be read as a tax.] [/I]

What is considered a tax is the penalty for those who do not have health insurance..........How do Republicans spin that into the largest tax increase in history?

The money to pay for health insurance for 50 million uninsured will have to come from somewhere. Hint: Increased premiums for those that are insured is the same as a tax.

Where do you think the money for Medicaid comes from?

Hiring 5000 new IRS agents to collect the 'tax' will have to be paid for with taxes.
 
Oh, and the reports of the cost of it doubling are also totally bullshit, even according The Conservative Nationalist Review:

No, Obamacare

(Sure, they still hate on the bill, but at least the author is practicing intellectual honesty)

None of this, of course, indicates that Obamacare is anything less than the Brobdingnagian bureaucracy we’ve always known it to be. And there was indeed plenty of fishy accounting in the bill (the late CLASS Act being a perfect example). But the CBO’s new projections don’t substantially alter the picture we got in 2010, and it’s utterly dishonest to claim otherwise.

Do you currently have health insurance?
 
I got news for you asswipes. it's hard to find a doctor to take medicare and tri care prime patients,, where do you think those patients are going? to the fucking ER stupid.
 
Oh, and the reports of the cost of it doubling are also totally bullshit, even according The Conservative Nationalist Review:

No, Obamacare

(Sure, they still hate on the bill, but at least the author is practicing intellectual honesty)

None of this, of course, indicates that Obamacare is anything less than the Brobdingnagian bureaucracy we’ve always known it to be. And there was indeed plenty of fishy accounting in the bill (the late CLASS Act being a perfect example). But the CBO’s new projections don’t substantially alter the picture we got in 2010, and it’s utterly dishonest to claim otherwise.

Do you currently have health insurance?

Yup. I sure do.
 
Which part of this is new since yesterdays Supreme Court Decision?

All of these taxes are taking money from one place and redistributing it someplace else. CBO has determined that over a ten year period, there is a net decrease in costs. Of course you only include the minuses without identifying the corresponding plusses

Taxes are redistribution (of wealth)??:eek: Shocking!

By the way, as I recall, CBO determined that it would reduce the deficit, not that there would be a decrease in costs. Reducing the deficit by a few billion is not so hard when you're raising so much in revenue (taxes); a little gets sprinkled to the deficit and everything is good. Still, hundreds of billions of dollars leave the private sector for redistribution by the public sector.

Interesting game that Republicans play..

They scream....You can't pass healthcare.....You can't pass healthcare.....we can't afford it

So Obama comes up with a self supporting healthcare plan which takes money from one sector and uses it in another. It pays for itself

Now Republicans whimper......But....but....you are taxing some people

Face it Republicans...You do not want Americans to have affordable healthcare no matter what the solution

.....Unless, of course, it (solely) enriches the health-insurance companies & Big Pharma....​



*Under the MMA, Medicare has been significantly overpaying private plans under Medicare Advantage. In 2005, Medicare overpaid private plans by at least 7% per beneficiary, costing taxpayers $2.7 billion. In 2006, overpayment reached 11% per beneficiary, costing taxpayers $4.6 billion.

*Under the MMA, Congress set aside $10 billion for an unnecessary subsidy (or "stabilization fund") to regional PPOs. This year, however, 88% of beneficiaries have access to a regional PPO, before the so-called "stabilization fund" was even tapped--no subsidy was necessary.

*Medicare Part D drug prices are substantially higher than the prices obtained by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), which negotiates prices on behalf of consumers. For all of the top 20 drugs prescribed to seniors, the lowest price charged by any Part D plan was higher than the lowest price secured by the VA. Yet Congress refused to let Medicare negotiate directly with the drug companies, as the VA does.

*Bottom line: this report shows that, unfortunately for consumers and taxpayers, the MMA has not even come close to meeting the high expectations set for it by Congress. Consumers are getting hurt and taxpayers fleeced, while insurance companies and drug manufacturers are raking in money faster than they can count it. Congress needs to move away from this deeply flawed privatization model, and instead focus on strengthening Medicare."
 
Because only an idiot thinks you can add millions into a system and it won't cost anything.

Please, rightwinger, describe what happens in this situation:

1) Unemployed person on food stamps...doesn't have insurance...you think they are going to pay a tax?
2) Above person goes to doctor for general care where they never use to cause they couldn't pay for it...who pays for it? Is it free?

Above person now goes to a doctor, instead of the ER where it can cost triple the amount of a doctors visit or urgent care. Above person then can't pay ER bill, so above person's doctor has to charge others more due to above person not paying their bill. Who pays for it? ER visits aren't free.

Why do people go to the ER?????? Because unlike a private doctor's office they don't have to pay before receiving treatment. That is why the ER is plagued by people who aren't experiencing an actual emergency, and they can't be turned away.

How many of these people actually pay that ER bill? If they had the damn money why wouldn't the go to a doctor's office which is cheaper then the ER.

I've worked as an EMT, and there are people that literally uses EMS as their primary care giver, calling ambulances when they simply need a ride to the hospital. These people, DEMOCRATS, falsely believe all of it is free. They have no intention of paying any of those bills.
ERs are always advertising for patients. Someone is footing the bill, likely all of us, through taxes.
 

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