LA Times! Romney A Victim(?) (Of Change You Can Believe In!)

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    With the economy improving, Los Angeles Times front page, 9/25/2012, has noted that the entire Romney-Ryan campaign strategy is up against the rising tide that lifts all boats! The Rubber Ducky that maybe George Bush knew about is maybe rising too(?)!

    Romney campaign impaired by shift in voter attitudes - latimes.com

    Even Rasmussen also notes a relatively sharp increase of Consumer Confidence. The housing market turnaround starting last spring will likely mean new employment going into the fall and year-end. An increase of asset values tends to create a wealth effect, maybe already noted, in relative terms. If you're better off now than you were last Tuesday: Then life hasn't been this good for months!

    Almost like Republicans lamenting the comparisons with the Bush Administration: Even Democrats appear to be less concerned with what was going on four years ago.

    The Democrats are "fact-check" faulted for claiming 4.5 mil. new jobs as the Obama record. That only goes back to January, 2010. In 2009, of course, Obama-Biden had only promised to create or save 3.5 mil. jobs. Mostly recently, times are getting way better, instead of the previous weeks, always way worse.

    And so it started all getting noticed only a few weeks ago. Now even the "fact-check" contention is also a sham. What does matter is what happend in the last few weeks, not in January, 2010.

    Soon there may be Republicans jumping from tall buildings after all! Those will be the office holders and political consultants, and likely analysts--not always psychiatric(?)!

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Lands of Many Nations also in Los Angeles Times--sending Obama maybe $4.0 mil, Romney maybe $0.75 mil. Many now likely with world class cigars, and using Cigar Store, Al Gore Look-Alikes, to strike the matches!)
     
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    I don't see any substantial improvement in consumer confidence numbers, although I do intend to vote for Obama in November. The economy continues to stagnate and will do so until we come to terms with debt forgiveness.

    American workers are overwhelmed and shackled by accrued debt from health care costs, education, energy, and housing. This has grown over three decades, and it is now suppressing the economy.

    The entire economic system must be reshuffled.
     
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    "debt forgiveness" is a euphemism for theft.

    Is that your plan for revitalizing the economy?


    Yup...Obama is your guy.
     
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    Nope, debt forgiveness is not a euhemism for theft. However, what the United States economic system has done to its "working classes" does amount to theft.

    Theft by withholding adequate wages from workers.

    Theft by forcing workers (wage slaves) to fund their own training so that businesses could exploit that as a resource--without remuneration.

    Theft by sickening a stressed working population (of wage slaves) without providing for public health care.

    Theft by an economic/political system that preys on those that are not greedy--perpetuated by those that are greedy, and thirst for power.

    Theft by the slave owners.

    The U.S. was built by slaves, it still runs based upon the owner-slave mentality. We are not free persons; if you think you are free, try taking a year off from work to travel. See how that goes as you make your bed under a bridge.
     
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    of course you are being stupid and liberal. US workers are the richest in human history!! Who do you think is buying the 50 million Iphones toys, the top 1%?????????????????????????
     
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    how stupid are you??? You are free to take five years off if you like, but not free to steal the money from others to finance your 5 year vacation.

    How old are you????
     
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    1. Famously, unregulated free markets best describe conditions in Haiti and in drought-ravaged East Africa.
    2. Famously, Socialist regulated markets, like in the United States, give the Republican drought-"victims" in the Midwest a second chance. Conditions under drought are no longer at 80% from last summer, but are now at 65% and easily about to fall.
    3. A $1.00 bill is about the same worth as a $5.00 bill, about the same worth as a $10.00 bill, about the same worth as a $20.00 bill, about the same worth as a $50.00 bill, or a $100.00 bill and so on.
    4. Money is no longer a commodity, with value unto itself.
    5. The U. S. Credit Market of money is $55.0 tril., almost.

    6. Money is a medium of exchange.
    7. If credit market money is perceived to be in default, then the exchange of "transactions" is curtailed.
    8. A snow-ball effect of value-less-ness happens, like pre-Nazi Germany, most famously.
    9. Socialist Credit market money is clearly not intended for hoarding, but for being spread around.
    10. Think of it as manure.
    11. A "Wealth of Transactions" is superior to a "Wealth of Nations!"
    12. An anarchy is of course, not just socialist, but superior!

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Buffalo Chips not even now welcome in computers--much less in new industry of Lands of Many Nations!)
     
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    of course thats perfectly idiotic and liberal . Capitalism means honest, voluntary and peaceful economic transactions.


    Haiti is corrupt and lawless so there can be little capitalism. Don't forget, Adam Smith also wrote the "Theory or Moral Sentiments". Sorry, don't mean to get too complicated for the liberal IQ.
     
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    There is a Chapter III in Adam Smith's "Theory of Moral Sentiments," entitled, "Of The Influences And Authority of Conscience." In Part, there is the below:

    Enlightened Self-Interest Is Not In Here Shown, Try As It Might!
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    When the happiness or misery of others depends in any respect upon our conduct, we dare not, as self-love might suggest to us, prefer the interest of one to that of many. The man within immediately calls to us, that we value ourselves too much and other people too little, and that, by doing so, we render ourselves the proper object of the contempt and indignation of our brethren. Neither is this sentiment confined to men of extraordinary magnanimity and virtue. It is deeply impressed upon every tolerably good soldier, who feels that he would become the scorn of his companions, if he could be supposed capable of shrinking from danger, or of hesitating, either to expose or to throw away his life, when the good of the service required it.

    One individual must never prefer himself so much even to any other individual, as to hurt or injure that other, in order to benefit himself, though the benefit to the one should be much greater than the hurt or injury to the other. The poor man must neither defraud nor steal from the rich, though the acquisition might be much more beneficial to the one than the loss could be hurtful to the other. The man within immediately calls to him, in this case too, that he is no better than his neighbour, and that by this unjust preference he renders himself the proper object of the contempt and indignation of mankind; as well as of the punishment which that contempt and indignation must naturally dispose them to inflict, for having thus violated one of those sacred rules, upon the tolerable observation of which depend the whole security and peace of human society. There is no commonly honest man who does not more dread the inward disgrace of such an action, the indelible stain which it would for ever stamp upon his own mind, than the greatest external calamity which, without any fault of his own, could possibly befal him; and who does not inwardly feel the truth of that great stoical maxim, that for one man to deprive another unjustly of any thing, or unjustly to promote his own advantage by the loss or disadvantage of another, is more contrary to nature, than death, than poverty, than pain, than all the misfortunes which can affect him, either in his body, or in his external circumstances.

    When the happiness or misery of others, indeed, in no respect depends upon our conduct, when our interests are altogether separated and detached from theirs, so that there is neither connexion nor competition between them, we do not always think it so necessary to restrain, either our natural and, perhaps, improper anxiety about our own affairs, or our natural and, perhaps, equally improper indifference about those of other men. The most vulgar education teaches us to act, upon all important occasions, with some sort of impartiality between ourselves and others, and even the ordinary commerce of the world is capable of adjusting our active principles to some degree of propriety. But it is the most artificial and refined education only, it has been said, which can correct the inequalities of our passive feelings; and we must for this purpose, it has been pretended, have recourse to the severest, as well as to the profoundest philosophy.

    Two different sets of philosophers have attempted to teach us this hardest of all the lessons of morality. One set have laboured to increase our sensibility to the interests of others; another, to diminish that to our own. The first would have us feel for others as we naturally feel for ourselves. The second would have us feel for ourselves as we naturally feel for others. Both, perhaps, have carried their doctrines a good deal beyond the just standard of nature and propriety.

    The first are those whining and melancholy moralists, who are perpetually reproaching us with our happiness, while so many of our brethren are in misery, [2] who regard as impious the natural joy of prosperity, which does not think of the many wretches that are at every instant labouring under all sorts of calamities, in the languor of poverty, in the agony of disease, in the horrors of death, under the insults and oppression of their enemies. Commiseration for those miseries which we never saw, which we never heard of, but which we may be assured are at all times infesting such numbers of our fellow-creatures, ought, they think, to damp the pleasures of the fortunate, and to render a certain melancholy dejection habitual to all men. But first of all, this extreme sympathy with misfortunes which we know nothing about, seems altogether absurd and unreasonable. Take the whole earth at an average, for one man who suffers pain or misery, you will find twenty in prosperity and joy, or at least in tolerable circumstances. No reason, surely, can be assigned why we should rather weep with the one than rejoice with the twenty. This artificial commiseration, besides, is not only absurd, but seems altogether unattainable; and those who affect this character have commonly nothing but a certain affected and sentimental sadness, which, without reaching the heart, serves only to render the countenance and conversation impertinently dismal and disagreeable. And last of all, this disposition of mind, though it could be attained, would be perfectly useless, and could serve no other purpose than to render miserable the person who possessed it. Whatever interest we take in the fortune of those with whom we have no acquaintance or connexion, and who are placed altogether out of the sphere of our activity, can produce only anxiety to ourselves, without any manner of advantage to them. To what purpose should we trouble ourselves about the world in the moon? All men, even those at the greatest distance, are no doubt entitled to our good wishes, and our good wishes we naturally give them. But if, notwithstanding, they should be unfortunate, to give ourselves any anxiety upon that account, seems to be no part of our duty. That we should be but little interested, therefore, in the fortune of those whom we can neither serve nor hurt, and who are in every respect so very remote from us, seems wisely ordered by Nature; and if it were possible to alter in this respect the original constitution of our frame, we could yet gain nothing by the change.

    It is never objected to us that we have too little fellow-feeling with the joy of success. Wherever envy does not prevent it, the favour which we bear to prosperity is rather apt to be too great; and the same moralists who blame us for want of sufficient sympathy with the miserable, reproach us for the levity with which we are too apt to admire and almost to worship the fortunate, the powerful, and the rich.
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    There is no inter-connectedness of remote and nearby economies in Adam Smith. There is a fellow who would try to blow up the internet!

    "That we should be but little interested, therefore, in the fortune of those whom we can neither serve nor hurt, and who are in every respect so very remote from us, seems wisely ordered by Nature; and if it were possible to alter in this respect the original constitution of our frame, we could yet gain nothing by the change. "

    There is no global economy in the "Adam Smith of the Srangelove Address," or in the "Ann Romney of the Strangelove Address."

    So in effect, there is no "Englightened Self-Interest" in the Adam Smith concept.

    Adam Smith proposes a lonely and selfish place!

    "Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
    (Adam Smith Not too thrilled with NASA, even! Adam Smith's La Canada/Flintridge has no regard for South El Monte--12 miles away--and invisible to La Canada/Flintridge, South El Monte has no relevance or interest in anything La Canada/Flintridge ever does!)
     

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