Krugman Poll on Canadian Healthcare

[Meister]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

I look at it much different than you, and there are plenty of Canadians that don't like their healthcare.....hence the growth of private clinics. A person doesn't have to look very hard to find the "bad story" in Canada. Just need to look at the waiting lines for proceedures like chemo, and radiation, not to mention operations. You sure are trying to sugar coat the failures of your healthcare system.

On the other hand, in America we don't have to overhaul the system, we just need to adjust the system with government oversight, and eliminating torts, along with some incentives. Most of us on the right don't want to kick the needy to the curb, but we want it done right without a government takeover.
Here is a piece from Fox....but it does have a video clip from Obama stating he wants to get rid of private insurance....this is his voice, and his words in 2007, so don't hammer the "FoxNation". This is the guy that is our president.
2007 Video! Did Obama Say He Wants to Kill Private Health Insurance? | The FOX Nation

 

[Jay Canuck]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

yes,, it cover all canadians with what?? got a little high risk pregnancy doya?? well guess what??? we have a bed shortage.. we gotta ship yer ass to america,,, got cancer ms. member of parliament?? well guess what yer chances are better in america.. cry us a river canada..

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

 

[Xenophon]

Didn't seem to go the way paulie hoped.

 

[WillowTree]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

yes,, it cover all canadians with what?? got a little high risk pregnancy doya?? well guess what??? we have a bed shortage.. we gotta ship yer ass to america,,, got cancer ms. member of parliament?? well guess what yer chances are better in america.. cry us a river canada..

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

are you denying that you send high risk pregnancies to the US OF KKKA? or that a female member of your parliament came to the US OF KKKA to receive treatment for her breast cancer????? really???

 

[Jay Canuck]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

I look at it much different than you, and there are plenty of Canadians that don't like their healthcare.....hence the growth of private clinics. A person doesn't have to look very hard to find the "bad story" in Canada. Just need to look at the waiting lines for proceedures like chemo, and radiation, not to mention operations. You sure are trying to sugar coat the failures of your healrthcare system.

On the other hand, in America we don't have to overhaul the system, we just need to adjust the system with government oversight, and eliminating torts, along with some incentives. Most of us on the left don't want to kick the needy to the curb, but we want it done right without a government takeover.
Here is a piece from Fox....but it does have a video clip from Obama stating he wants to get rid of private insurance....this is his voice, and his words in 2007, so don't hammer the "FoxNation". This is the guy that is our president.
2007 Video! Did Obama Say He Wants to Kill Private Health Insurance? | The FOX Nation

of course you have an opinion and that is neat that you got it from Fox news. Here we go on fact and the fact of the matter is that in Canada a majority of Canadians are happy with their healthcare....now you can try and spin however you like but it's not going to change the fact that your healthcare system needs to fixed and that most Americans feel that way. What is your plan to fix it other than to point your finger at other countries and yabber on about what you think may be?

 

[WillowTree]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

yes,, it cover all canadians with what?? got a little high risk pregnancy doya?? well guess what??? we have a bed shortage.. we gotta ship yer ass to america,,, got cancer ms. member of parliament?? well guess what yer chances are better in america.. cry us a river canada..

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

You got any idea of how many Americans run to canada to get in line and wait? welldoyahuh?

 

[Jay Canuck]

yes,, it cover all canadians with what?? got a little high risk pregnancy doya?? well guess what??? we have a bed shortage.. we gotta ship yer ass to america,,, got cancer ms. member of parliament?? well guess what yer chances are better in america.. cry us a river canada..

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

are you denying that you send high risk pregnancies to the US OF KKKA? or that a female member of your parliament came to the US OF KKKA to receive treatment for her breast cancer????? really???

no I'm not denying some people who have the money to spend sometimes travel to other nations to recieve treatment from a Dr of their choice and that happens in your nation as well...but I fail to see what that has to do with your crumbling system that allows millions of it's own citizens to go with no coverage at all?

 

[Meister]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

I look at it much different than you, and there are plenty of Canadians that don't like their healthcare.....hence the growth of private clinics. A person doesn't have to look very hard to find the "bad story" in Canada. Just need to look at the waiting lines for proceedures like chemo, and radiation, not to mention operations. You sure are trying to sugar coat the failures of your healrthcare system.

On the other hand, in America we don't have to overhaul the system, we just need to adjust the system with government oversight, and eliminating torts, along with some incentives. Most of us on the left don't want to kick the needy to the curb, but we want it done right without a government takeover.
Here is a piece from Fox....but it does have a video clip from Obama stating he wants to get rid of private insurance....this is his voice, and his words in 2007, so don't hammer the "FoxNation". This is the guy that is our president.
2007 Video! Did Obama Say He Wants to Kill Private Health Insurance? | The FOX Nation

of course you have an opinion and that is neat that you got it from Fox news. Here we go on fact and the fact of the matter is that in Canada a majority of Canadians are happy with their healthcare....now you can try and spin however you like but it's not going to change the fact that your healthcare system needs to fixed and that most Americans feel that way. What is your plan to fix it other than to point your finger at other countries and yabber on about what you think may be?

Try and spin this.....are you ready? It's not because that it's such a good healthcare that Canada has.....it's about the money they have to pay for it. That is the begining, and that's the end to why people in Canada think it a good system It's not because of the service they receive. So spin on that sonny.

 

[Tech_Esq]

I never said all Canadians love their healthcare if you search long enuf you will find a bad story but you could find that in any country and if we are a socialist country like most of the right-wing is trying to sell here then why would we offer private clinics + a system that covers all Canadians....looks like we have all our bases covered to me?

I look at it much different than you, and there are plenty of Canadians that don't like their healthcare.....hence the growth of private clinics. A person doesn't have to look very hard to find the "bad story" in Canada. Just need to look at the waiting lines for proceedures like chemo, and radiation, not to mention operations. You sure are trying to sugar coat the failures of your healrthcare system.

On the other hand, in America we don't have to overhaul the system, we just need to adjust the system with government oversight, and eliminating torts, along with some incentives. Most of us on the left don't want to kick the needy to the curb, but we want it done right without a government takeover.
Here is a piece from Fox....but it does have a video clip from Obama stating he wants to get rid of private insurance....this is his voice, and his words in 2007, so don't hammer the "FoxNation". This is the guy that is our president.
2007 Video! Did Obama Say He Wants to Kill Private Health Insurance? | The FOX Nation

of course you have an opinion and that is neat that you got it from Fox news. Here we go on fact and the fact of the matter is that in Canada a majority of Canadians are happy with their healthcare....now you can try and spin however you like but it's not going to change the fact that your healthcare system needs to fixed and that most Americans feel that way. What is your plan to fix it other than to point your finger at other countries and yabber on about what you think may be?

So most Canadians are happy that their mortality rate when diagnosed with cancer is 5x that of a someone in the US? Really? Or, maybe they are just uninformed? They are happy that they have to wait months to get needed tests? Really? Or, maybe they are resigned to the fact? They are happy that the health board denies them some medications that would help them because they are too expensive for the health system? Really? Or, maybe they are kinda pissed about that? They are happy that your health system is bankrupting your country and costs are rising out of control? Really? Or, maybe NOT!

Why do you keep asking for solutions when I gave you some in my previous. Is it because you didn't read them like I said you wouldn't?

 

[WillowTree]

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

are you denying that you send high risk pregnancies to the US OF KKKA? or that a female member of your parliament came to the US OF KKKA to receive treatment for her breast cancer????? really???

no I'm not denying some people who have the money to spend sometimes travel to other nations to recieve treatment from a Dr of their choice and that happens in your nation as well...but I fail to see what that has to do with your crumbling system that allows millions of it's own citizens to go with no coverage at all?

you duck dodge and weave well but that dog don't hunt., the government of Canada sends it's high risk pregnancies to the US OF KKKA because it simply cannot provide the services..

 

[Tech_Esq]

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

are you denying that you send high risk pregnancies to the US OF KKKA? or that a female member of your parliament came to the US OF KKKA to receive treatment for her breast cancer????? really???

no I'm not denying some people who have the money to spend sometimes travel to other nations to recieve treatment from a Dr of their choice and that happens in your nation as well...but I fail to see what that has to do with your crumbling system that allows millions of it's own citizens to go with no coverage at all?

No it doesn't! Where the hell do you think Americans would go to get health care? Riiiiight, we wouldn't go to the MAYO Fucking Clinic if we got diagnosed with cancer, we'd go to the fucking Phillipines I suppose. nutjob!

 

[Jay Canuck]

yes,, it cover all canadians with what?? got a little high risk pregnancy doya?? well guess what??? we have a bed shortage.. we gotta ship yer ass to america,,, got cancer ms. member of parliament?? well guess what yer chances are better in america.. cry us a river canada..

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

You got any idea of how many Americans run to canada to get in line and wait? welldoyahuh?

no and frankly I don't care....I do remember how many elderly people from the U.S used to come up here for affordable meds though...of course that was before the caring folks in the big pharma lobby put a stop to that.

 

[Vast LWC]

I'm a conservative not a neo-con although I doubt you understand the difference.

First of all, if you're going around calling people "Stalinist" instead of arguing the point from a cost based point of view, you're a Neo-Con, adn a dittohead, not a traditional conservative.

Nixon was a traditional conservative, and he was the one who came up with the first plan for Universal Health Care.

Secondly:

I'm a conservative not a neo-con although I doubt you understand the difference.

If you were actually in the military, I can certainly believe that all you would qualify for was infantry, considering you inability to carry on an intelligent debate (shithead).

And as far as being REMF, it was one of my MOS that was the first MF killed officially in Vietnam, driving around the front lines with an antenna on the top of our truck like a great big target.

As far as this goes:

Just because you were in the military doesn't mean you aren't a stalinist.

This is a decent point, since the military is a socialist organization by nature. But it also means that I fought for our democratic form of government, not a totalitarian state, which would make me, decidedly, not a "Stalinist".

We didn't spend 3 Trillion. We spent less than one.

Total costs, including reconstruction costs, veteran medical costs resulting from injuries sustained in Iraq, etc, are estimated to be over 3 Trillion Dollars. One Trillion was simply the cost for the war itself.

There are multiple sources for this, but apparently I'm too new of a poster on this board to post URL's, so Google it.

 

[Meister]

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

are you denying that you send high risk pregnancies to the US OF KKKA? or that a female member of your parliament came to the US OF KKKA to receive treatment for her breast cancer????? really???

no I'm not denying some people who have the money to spend sometimes travel to other nations to recieve treatment from a Dr of their choice and that happens in your nation as well...but I fail to see what that has to do with your crumbling system that allows millions of it's own citizens to go with no coverage at all?

If it's a broken system they would never come here....I laugh when people say it's a broken system. You know that is just a catch phrase from the left. Here are a few more things to chew on...10 million or so are illegals, and around 15-20 million are young people who can afford the insurance, but don't purchase it because they are in the peak of health. That leaves around 20 million or so that do need to have insurance...and the right wants them to get some...if you read my earlier post I showed how that could be attained, but I know you don't read stuff like that, because it doesn't jive with your mantre.

 

[Jay Canuck]

I look at it much different than you, and there are plenty of Canadians that don't like their healthcare.....hence the growth of private clinics. A person doesn't have to look very hard to find the "bad story" in Canada. Just need to look at the waiting lines for proceedures like chemo, and radiation, not to mention operations. You sure are trying to sugar coat the failures of your healrthcare system.

On the other hand, in America we don't have to overhaul the system, we just need to adjust the system with government oversight, and eliminating torts, along with some incentives. Most of us on the left don't want to kick the needy to the curb, but we want it done right without a government takeover.
Here is a piece from Fox....but it does have a video clip from Obama stating he wants to get rid of private insurance....this is his voice, and his words in 2007, so don't hammer the "FoxNation". This is the guy that is our president.
2007 Video! Did Obama Say He Wants to Kill Private Health Insurance? | The FOX Nation

of course you have an opinion and that is neat that you got it from Fox news. Here we go on fact and the fact of the matter is that in Canada a majority of Canadians are happy with their healthcare....now you can try and spin however you like but it's not going to change the fact that your healthcare system needs to fixed and that most Americans feel that way. What is your plan to fix it other than to point your finger at other countries and yabber on about what you think may be?

Try and spin this.....are you ready? It's not because that it's such a good healthcare that Canada has.....it's about the money they have to pay for it. That is the begining, and that's the end to why people in Canada think it a good system It's not because of the service they receive. So spin on that sonny.

that is you opinion you have spoon fed to you by Fox News so congrats...I didn't see your plan to fix your own mess yet?

 

[Vast LWC]

High Risk Pregancies?

5x the cancer mortality rate?

LINK PLEASE, and no, again, opinion pieces do not count as valid source material.

 

[WillowTree]

you have lived in Canada and experienced healthcare here or do you just have a couple of opinions of the whiners your media has gotten a hold of?

of course nobody who lives in the USA has a complaint about their healthcare.

You got any idea of how many Americans run to canada to get in line and wait? welldoyahuh?

no and frankly I don't care....I do remember how many elderly people from the U.S used to come up here for affordable meds though...of course that was before the caring folks in the big pharma lobby put a stop to that.

maybe you should find out how many Americans are up there standing in line for your superior health care. it might convince the rest of us..

 

[Jay Canuck]

I look at it much different than you, and there are plenty of Canadians that don't like their healthcare.....hence the growth of private clinics. A person doesn't have to look very hard to find the "bad story" in Canada. Just need to look at the waiting lines for proceedures like chemo, and radiation, not to mention operations. You sure are trying to sugar coat the failures of your healrthcare system.

On the other hand, in America we don't have to overhaul the system, we just need to adjust the system with government oversight, and eliminating torts, along with some incentives. Most of us on the left don't want to kick the needy to the curb, but we want it done right without a government takeover.
Here is a piece from Fox....but it does have a video clip from Obama stating he wants to get rid of private insurance....this is his voice, and his words in 2007, so don't hammer the "FoxNation". This is the guy that is our president.
2007 Video! Did Obama Say He Wants to Kill Private Health Insurance? | The FOX Nation

of course you have an opinion and that is neat that you got it from Fox news. Here we go on fact and the fact of the matter is that in Canada a majority of Canadians are happy with their healthcare....now you can try and spin however you like but it's not going to change the fact that your healthcare system needs to fixed and that most Americans feel that way. What is your plan to fix it other than to point your finger at other countries and yabber on about what you think may be?

So most Canadians are happy that their mortality rate when diagnosed with cancer is 5x that of a someone in the US? Really? Or, maybe they are just uninformed? They are happy that they have to wait months to get needed tests? Really? Or, maybe they are resigned to the fact? They are happy that the health board denies them some medications that would help them because they are too expensive for the health system? Really? Or, maybe they are kinda pissed about that? They are happy that your health system is bankrupting your country and costs are rising out of control? Really? Or, maybe NOT!

Why do you keep asking for solutions when I gave you some in my previous. Is it because you didn't read them like I said you wouldn't?

I would like to see just where you got your #'s on Cancer mortality rates in Canada vs. the U.S.

 

[WillowTree]

and while yer counting the Americans standing in line would you kindly ask them if they are donkys? I'd be interested if there are any Republicans up there.

 

[Meister]

of course you have an opinion and that is neat that you got it from Fox news. Here we go on fact and the fact of the matter is that in Canada a majority of Canadians are happy with their healthcare....now you can try and spin however you like but it's not going to change the fact that your healthcare system needs to fixed and that most Americans feel that way. What is your plan to fix it other than to point your finger at other countries and yabber on about what you think may be?

Try and spin this.....are you ready? It's not because that it's such a good healthcare that Canada has.....it's about the money they have to pay for it. That is the begining, and that's the end to why people in Canada think it a good system It's not because of the service they receive. So spin on that sonny.

that is you opinion you have spoon fed to you by Fox News so congrats...I didn't see your plan to fix your own mess yet?

You are the "tard". You have just proved to me and the people on this thread that you really don't read the posts. Go back to post #61, you will see where I stated how we can do it. You really are embarrassing yourself.