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I may have had it, but I couldn't get tested.The mortality rates you claim are propaganda. They are lies. The real mortality rate is 0.1% to 0.3%Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
The mortality rates might even be less than that. There is no way to really be certain of it now, although anti-body tests should be able to give a pretty good estimate of it.
Most COVID sufferers didn't know that they had it, many of the rest weren't sick enough to consult a doctor, or if they did consult a physician, were given supportive care only and got over it. A relative few got tested.
Wrong. You're promiting hysteria based on propaganda. The death rate is probably less than 0.1% to 0.3%.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
Wrong. You're promiting hysteria based on propaganda. The death rate is probably less than 0.1% to 0.3%.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
It's clear that what you call "evidence" is actually propaganda.Wrong. You're promiting hysteria based on propaganda. The death rate is probably less than 0.1% to 0.3%.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The evidence is clear, Oxford University of Bio Research.
Not your source Hee Haw.
There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The number has just been cut in half.Wrong. You're promiting hysteria based on propaganda. The death rate is probably less than 0.1% to 0.3%.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The evidence is clear, as posted in my link, Oxford University of Bio Research.
Not your source Hee Haw and the rantings of Trump.
www.cdc.gov
There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
it's a novel virus you fucking dolt.
Know More Than The Experts? Return To Work and Willingly Accept Your Fate
Among the U.S. public, the COVID-19 pandemic has boiled down to just two major schools of thought. One, that we all should follow the instructions as they are released by the scientific and medical communities, and two, that everyday life should go unchanged and believe the COVID-19 pandemic is no worse than an average cold and flu season.
Unfortunately, COVID-19 has proven itself much more deadly than the “flu” normally experienced each year. Its symptoms can vary from patient to patient, it can affect each age group differently, and the disease can kill in several different ways.
There is no doubt the “shelter-in-place” and “social distancing” policies imposed by local and state governments have reduced the spread and thus the fatalities caused by COVID-19. It is the same with the forced closures of nonessential businesses. Even the impeached president trump reversed his stance concerning Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp’s reopening the state’s economy.
Certain businesses and their employees are essential to keep the nation functioning even at the reduced economic level currently being experienced. Sadly, the employees are unable to shelter-in-place and must do their best to maintain social distancing in their workplace environment. Most must work without PPE to prevent their contracting COVID-19.
Past administrations had experts run simulations to predict the effects and enable planning to provide the actions, personnel, and supplies necessary to minimize the spread of a newly discovered disease. But, despite the bragging by the impeached president trump about his “greatness”, it has been his ongoing, gross mismanagement of these programs, well established by past administrations, that brought the nation to the disastrous point we are now. And, thanks to the impeached president trump’s unbelievable stupidity, the situation is going to get much, much worse.
The impeached president trump is no different than other right-wingers. As with all issues, the impeached president trump, like the vast majority of conservatives, believe their knowledge far exceeds that of individuals formally educated in diseases and pandemics.
In addition to COVID-19, the conservatives’ self-proclaimed (but constantly disproven) “superior” knowledge in all subjects, includes constitutional law. The right-wingers’ reinterpretation of the U.S. Constitution consistently places their rights above those of all other Americans. These same conservatives will assure anyone who will listen there is a clause in the Constitution, which protects their right to endanger the health, safety, and well-being of others by ignoring legally imposed governmental orders designed to protect everyone. And this is just one example, of many, when right-wingers believe the U.S. Constitution guarantees their “rights” supersede the rights of all other citizens.
No reasonable person is surprised by the conservatives’ armed demonstrations against “shelter-in-place” and “social distancing” policies. Especially with the impeached president trump’s well documented history of encouraging his devoted fanatics to commit acts of violence.
With conservatives also agonizing over the rights of workers classified as “nonessential personnel”, whose jobs do nothing to contribute to the survival of society, some middle ground must be reached to prevent an armed uprising by the impeached president trump’s devoted fanatics.
The impeached president trump’s devoted fanatics have shown their supreme confidence in their leader’s assurances the COVID-19 pandemic presents no danger to them worse than a common cold. Therefore, conservatives’ demands that nonessential personnel be permitted to return to work for nonessential businesses, must be granted. This is especially true, when the nonessential businesses do nothing but assure the profits of the billionaire class go uninterrupted. Employees loyal to the billionaire class must be permitted to return to work, regardless of the potential for their deaths from COVID-19.
History provides many examples of the conservatives’ endless fight against their own best interests. Conservatives carrying firearms at demonstrations to threaten leaders who issued orders to protect public health shows how right-wingers are hellbent on contracting COVID-19. With their determination being so powerful, they should be permitted to win in this fight against their own best interests as they have so many others.
It’s always gratifying to see how much conservatives hate the truth. As seen on these message boards, reasonable people have come to expect this. Just as reasonable people expect the constant conservative denial of reality seen here day in and day out. (The COVID-19 pandemic has really proven this.)
So, keep your mindless, right wing criticisms coming. By doing so, you consistently reaffirm these facts about yourselves. You can do nothing else, which makes it useless to respond to your conservative nonsense.
Donald Trump's four-step plan to reopen the US economy – and why it will be lethal | Robert Reich
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There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
And sweden has no lockdown, what is your point?There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate.
And because our lock downs were rational, or citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
In the case of the Spanish flu, few people were infected who didn't show symptoms. That's how most flu viruses behave. The total number of deaths was 200 million. That's about 200 times the number who have died from COVID-19. Any claim that the death rate for COVID-19 is in the same ballpark are pure moonshine.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate of the US.
And because our lock downs were rational, our citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and more public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
In the case of the Spanish flu, few people were infected who didn't show symptoms. That's how most flu viruses behave. The total number of deaths was 200 million. That's about 200 times the number who have died from COVID-19. Any claim that the death rate for COVID-19 is in the same ballpark are pure moonshine.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate of the US.
And because our lock downs were rational, our citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and more public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
In the case of the Spanish flu, few people were infected who didn't show symptoms. That's how most flu viruses behave. The total number of deaths was 200 million. That's about 200 times the number who have died from COVID-19. Any claim that the death rate for COVID-19 is in the same ballpark are pure moonshine.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
The Spanish flu killed that many in a year and a half, we are three months into this one.
Now our infection rates are lower than the Spanish flu right now because unlike during the Spanish flu most of the civilised world have instituted lock downs, but the death rate of this flew per infection is higher than the Spanish flu.
TSpanish Flu 2.5% this virus about 6%.
So with a virus with a higher death rate we are currently, for now doing better than the Spanish flu in infections but not death rates.
With are doing better with infection rates, for now, just three months in, because of the lock downs which largely did not occur during the Spanish Flu.
There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate of the US.
And because our lock downs were rational, our citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and more public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
Actually, America has had MASSIVE shutdowns of an unprecedented nature. Traffic has been reduced dramatically, elective procedures in hospitals cancelled, tens of thousand of stores closed, bars, nail salons, barbershops, tattoo parlors all shut down for 6 weeks and counting. We reduced more than 30 million families to utter destitution.
How are your lockdowns any more "rational" than anyone else's? How does "coordinating" the closure of someone's business prevent the owner from declaring bankruptcy?There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate of the US.
And because our lock downs were rational, our citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and more public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
In the case of the Spanish flu, few people were infected who didn't show symptoms. That's how most flu viruses behave. The total number of deaths was 200 million. That's about 200 times the number who have died from COVID-19. Any claim that the death rate for COVID-19 is in the same ballpark are pure moonshine.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
The Spanish flu killed that many in a year and a half, we are three months into this one.
Now our infection rates are lower than the Spanish flu right now because unlike during the Spanish flu most of the civilised world have instituted lock downs, but the death rate of this flew per infection is higher than the Spanish flu.
TSpanish Flu 2.5% this virus about 6%.
So with a virus with a higher death rate we are currently, for now doing better than the Spanish flu in infections but not death rates.
With are doing better with infection rates, for now, just three months in, because of the lock downs which largely did not occur during the Spanish Flu.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate of the US.
And because our lock downs were rational, our citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and more public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
Actually, America has had MASSIVE shutdowns of an unprecedented nature. Traffic has been reduced dramatically, elective procedures in hospitals cancelled, tens of thousand of stores closed, bars, nail salons, barbershops, tattoo parlors all shut down for 6 weeks and counting. We reduced more than 30 million families to utter destitution.
Some states have, some have not.
Some are lifting, some are not.
Some states have a populace unconcerned with their fellow Americans so protesting and spreading the virus, others not.
That is my point the national response has been uncoordinated and chaotic.
Hence the shocking infection and death rates. (Let alone the Titanic failure in stimulus and unemployment assistance.)
Where as Australia's has been coordinated by states and federal government and rational, working together.
And we have some of the best results in the world, including less economic damage than the USA.
How did anything Australia did prevent unemployment? You have better results only because you have a population that isn't as susceptible to it and because Austrialia is a continent that can isolate itself from other populations. Here in America we have a lot of people with a lot of preexisting conditions.In the case of the Spanish flu, few people were infected who didn't show symptoms. That's how most flu viruses behave. The total number of deaths was 200 million. That's about 200 times the number who have died from COVID-19. Any claim that the death rate for COVID-19 is in the same ballpark are pure moonshine.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
The Spanish flu killed that many in a year and a half, we are three months into this one.
Now our infection rates are lower than the Spanish flu right now because unlike during the Spanish flu most of the civilised world have instituted lock downs, but the death rate of this flew per infection is higher than the Spanish flu.
TSpanish Flu 2.5% this virus about 6%.
So with a virus with a higher death rate we are currently, for now doing better than the Spanish flu in infections but not death rates.
With are doing better with infection rates, for now, just three months in, because of the lock downs which largely did not occur during the Spanish Flu.There is no comparison between the Spanish Flu and China Virus. Spanish Flu killed tens of millions, killed the healthiest people and killed with 24 hours of first symptoms. Go back and review your history. Fail.Indeed, the "this is just a normal virus crowd" are wallowing in complete and utter self indulgent ignorance.
The final death morality rate of the Spanish Flu rate was 2.5%.
Right now the global mortality rate of those infected this virus in the USA is 5.79%
In some countries higher such as Italy 13.8%, France 14.47% and the UK with 15.8%!
It is a higher death rate per population than those who died in World War Two, which was 3%.
https://www.cebm.net/c…/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/
Just in the initial wave.
Now normally I have a lot of tolerance for the ignorant, but in this case they can cause a greater rate of infection, death and social destruction.
With a virus the ignorant can kill.
I understand the mindset that does not believe anything they do not want to believe, you can be forgiven for that human failing, it is common.
But the data is clear, as above, this virus is killing at a much higher percent per infection than the Spanish flu.
And we are just in the first three months of it.
Now of course the Spanish flu killed more than this virus over all, because this virus has just started and the Spanish Flu went for over a year, without government practising containment measures for the most part.
So sure, if we follow sane and intelligent containment, like Australia, overall this virus will kill fewer people.
That is the entire point.
But at the current infection death rate this virus is clearly more dangerous than the Spanish flu and if you follow the "let me do what ever I want" crowd it will kill more people than the Spanish flu over time.
Let me make the point clear for you, right now we have a death rate globally of about 6% with this virus, the Spanish Flu had 2.5%
The COVID death rate is based upon "confirmed" cases of COVID. Most people who have come down with it, have never been tested but survived. The figure you quote is bullshit.
So basically your argument is there are a lot more people infected than we know off, who can spread it, we really do not know how many people have are infected so lets lift the lock downs.
Not really rational now is it? That is an argument to keep lock downs.
Of course all statistics including the death rates of the Spanish flu are based on the number of infections we know of and the number of deaths in relation to that.
With the Spanish Flu too we do not know how many people were actually infected over all, only those who presented symptoms and then the number who died in relation to that.
That is how epidemiology works.
And this virus has a much higher rate of death than the Spanish flu per known infection.
It is if you consider the economic cost of staying shut down?
You act like there is no cost
We have already wasted trillions, this has to stop. 1/4 american children don't get enough to eat. How about we spend our trillions on that. maybe some extra armor on our humvees
Maybe you know pay for health care.
It's almost like people imagine we don't live in a capitalist society and the state will take care of you in the face of this great economic upheavel.
Of course there is cost, and it is huge, no one is disputing that.
The question is will the cost in death and health and even more importantly the economic cost be higher with wave after wave of infection in a chaotic or uncoordinated easing of restrictions.
Australia has had tougher lock downs than the USA, but it was coordinated and rational so our economy though hit hard is not in the chaotic mess the USA is, and we have half the unemployment rate of the US.
And because our lock downs were rational, our citizens concerned about the public welfare, we can open up quicker, at least domestically with far less health risk and more public spending confidence than the United States of Anger.
Actually, America has had MASSIVE shutdowns of an unprecedented nature. Traffic has been reduced dramatically, elective procedures in hospitals cancelled, tens of thousand of stores closed, bars, nail salons, barbershops, tattoo parlors all shut down for 6 weeks and counting. We reduced more than 30 million families to utter destitution.
Some states have, some have not.
Some are lifting, some are not.
Some states have a populace unconcerned with their fellow Americans so protesting and spreading the virus, others not.
That is my point the national response has been uncoordinated and chaotic.
Hence the shocking infection and death rates. (Let alone the Titanic failure in stimulus and unemployment assistance.)
Where as Australia's has been coordinated by states and federal government and rational, working together.
And we have some of the best results in the world, including less economic damage than the USA.
