progressive hunter
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I was asking you a question,,I didn’t say that.
are you declining to answer??
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I was asking you a question,,I didn’t say that.
I answered.I was asking you a question,,
are you declining to answer??
no,,, you accused me of claiming you said something,,I answered.
no,,, you accused me of claiming you said something,,
are you telling me no 3rd trimester abortions happen??
Do you support the 2002 Infant Born Alive Act?Do you or do you not object to the 2019 bill?
Of course I support bills to stop infants from being killed.Do you support the 2002 Infant Born Alive Act?
There are requirements before it is legal. You should look up the facts before you make more goofy rmarks.
I object to superficial bills as part of Neo-GOP kabuki theater. I don't object to protecting innocent children.Of course I support bills to stop infants from being killed.
Now do you object to the 2019 bill?
NO, you mock the real problemsNice opinion piece. Accurate data on reasons for third trimester abortions and how many are for either fetal defects or maternal health are hard to come by, but regardless, it is a tiny fraction of all abortions and if barriers to early abortion were removed, it would be even tinier.
Deceptive and dishonest terminology often obscures actual data:
When health care providers use language like "full term" and "late term" in the context of pregnancy, they're talking about how far along the pregnancy is (with "full term" meaning between 39 and 40 weeks and "late term" meaning 41+ weeks). It's important to note that they do not use these terms to categorize types of abortion care.So when people use terminology like "late-term abortion," the discussion gets especially murky. The term sounds like the language used in medical settings, but when it comes to abortion care, it's simply vague and inaccurate—especially when you consider that most people who use the term aren't talking about abortions that are being performed after 41 weeks (or "late term").
Experts explain that using the gestational period, or the time in pregnancy when the abortion is taking place, is the most accurate way to categorize abortion care and is the standard in the medical community. For instance, an abortion taking place during the second trimester would be a second-trimester abortion, and an abortion during the third trimester would be described as a third-trimester abortion.2Describing abortion by week or by trimester is also in line with how pregnancy care is provided. "We talk about care as pregnancy progresses in weeks from a person's last menstrual period, or in trimesters (1st: 0-13 weeks, 2nd: 14-26 weeks, 3rd: 27-40 weeks)," adds Chelsea Souder, MPH, director of Clinical Services and Communications Manager at AbortionClinics.org.Like "late-term abortion," the term "partial-birth abortion" is another inaccurate and misleading term with no basis in medicine. The term first gained traction with the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003.3However, neither "late-term abortion" nor "partial-birth abortion" are recognized by leading medical groups, including the American College of Gynecology (ACOG).4"'Partial-birth abortion' refers to a procedure known as dilation and extraction, or D&X, which involves attempting to remove the fetus intact through the cervix," explains Dr. Grossman. "The procedure is no longer legal unless medication is used to stop the fetal heartbeat first."If by “late term, you are talking about third trimester, you are talking about 24-41 weeks gestation.
Facts:
After 21 weeks, is rare, costly and legally restricted in most states, and also comes with greater maternal risks (though still lower than the risks of carrying to term and giving birth). Post Dobbs, they account for 1% of all abortions.
Source: Abortions Later in Pregnancy in a Post-Dobbs Era | KFF
- Abortions at or after 21 weeks are uncommon and represent 1% of all abortions in the U.S. The procedures are expensive and often require travel and lost wages. They normally require treatment over multiple days and are only performed by a subset of all abortion providers.
In 2021, the last year of data prior to Dobbs, 622,108 abortions were performed. So…of that, 1% were after 21 weeks.
The reasons are varied:
- Severe birth defects. Most fetal brain development occurs after 24 weeks so screening might not show lack of brain development until later. Other severe defects may also may not show until later as well.
- Medical conditions where a woman might not know she is pregnant until late.
- Substantial legal barriers preventing a woman from getting an early abortion.
- Risk to the mother’s health/life - pregnancy complications.
There is really no such thing as abortion up to birth, though people like to point to one exceedingly rare case (32 weeks) to make that claim, and it is a case where it would have been cruel to deny her.
If you want to reduce the tiny fraction of abortions that occur later…remove barriers to early abortion.
So you can’t name any provision in the bill you object to.I object to superficial bills as part of Neo-GOP kabuki theater. I don't object to protecting innocent children.
This is a lie.I am struggling with that one,,
I dont come at this from a religious POV,,
I/we aborted our first child,,
when our second was born I realized we killed our own child not a clump of cells,,
and if not for the left trying to push the envelope and do no restriction up until birth has forced me to take a stand,,
they should have been happy with safe legal and rare,,,
youre premise is a lie beings there are 7 states that allow it up till birth and many others wanting the same across the country,,This is a lie.
The ‘left’ has never advocated for abortion up until birth.
Those who support privacy rights have no problem prohibiting abortion after 24 to 30 weeks.
The problem is the authoritarian right’s demand for comprehensive abortion bans, not even allowing for abortions in rare circumstances.
This is a lie.The problem is they never really meant it
your premise is a lie,,This is a lie.
Again, supporters of privacy right have no issue placing reasonable, limited restrictions on abortion access.
Trump is a liar and can’t be believed, as are his dishonest supporters.Wow, trump made a great decision leaving leftists unhinged on the abortion issue. The left were counting on abortion being an issue, and Trump stole it from you. But still your kind demonstrate their need for this issue, and the criticisms prove acts if desperstion.
your premise is a lie,,Trump is a liar and can’t be believed, as are his dishonest supporters.
The truth is that Republicans will continue to pursue absolute abortion bans, in violation of the right to privacy, endangering the health and lives of women.