Keystone Pipeline: Yes Or No

Discussion in 'Politics' started by paulitician, Nov 16, 2011.

?

Keystone Pipeline: Yes Or No

Poll closed Nov 21, 2011.
  1. Yes

    94.7%
  2. No

    5.3%
  1. paulitician
    Offline

    paulitician Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2011
    Messages:
    38,401
    Thanks Received:
    4,136
    Trophy Points:
    1,130
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    Lots of debate on this one. Pretty important issue.

    The Keystone Pipeline System is a pipeline system to transport synthetic crude oil and diluted bitumen from the Athabasca Oil Sands in northeastern Alberta, Canada to multiple destinations in the United States, which include refineries in Illinois, Cushing oil distribution hub in Oklahoma, and proposed connections to refineries along the Gulf Coast of Texas. It consists of the operational "Keystone Pipeline" (Phase 1) and "Keystone-Cushing Extension" (Phase 2), and two proposed Keystone XL pipeline expansion segments. After the Keystone XL pipeline segments are completed, American crude oil will enter the XL pipelines at Baker, Montana and Cushing, Oklahoma.[1]

    The Keystone XL has faced lawsuits from oil refineries and criticism from environmentalists and some members of the United States Congress. The U.S. Department of State in 2010 extended the deadline for federal agencies to decide if the pipeline is in the national interest.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline
     
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2011
  2. paulitician
    Offline

    paulitician Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2011
    Messages:
    38,401
    Thanks Received:
    4,136
    Trophy Points:
    1,130
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    I have to admit this is a tough question. We do need the oil & jobs but there will be a big environmental impact.
     
  3. Lonestar_logic
    Offline

    Lonestar_logic Republic of Texas

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    24,318
    Thanks Received:
    2,193
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Ratings:
    +3,505
    What environmental impact are you referring to?

    The company I work for stands to make millions on this project. We have already submitted bids for portions in Oklahoma and Texas and we've been in discussions with TransCanada for several weeks now. Things were looking good until Nebraska started bitching.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  4. paulitician
    Offline

    paulitician Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2011
    Messages:
    38,401
    Thanks Received:
    4,136
    Trophy Points:
    1,130
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    There's always a big environmental impact with these things. I don't think it's wise to only look at the money angle. There are other aspects to be looked at. But i do wish you well. If it happens,i hope you score big time.
     
  5. Claudette
    Offline

    Claudette Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    19,558
    Thanks Received:
    3,009
    Trophy Points:
    280
    Ratings:
    +7,624
    I was watching the news on this the other day.

    Apparantly the current route goes over an aquifer site. The Canadians are more than willing to move the pipeline.

    Will have to see how this plays out but we could sure use the jobs.
     
  6. Mr. H.
    Offline

    Mr. H. Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2009
    Messages:
    44,104
    Thanks Received:
    9,264
    Trophy Points:
    2,030
    Location:
    A warm place with no memory.
    Ratings:
    +15,387
    Being that it's your thread, could you reference the lawsuits brought by oil refineries?
    Thanking you in advance...
     
  7. paulitician
    Offline

    paulitician Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2011
    Messages:
    38,401
    Thanks Received:
    4,136
    Trophy Points:
    1,130
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    I know Hillary Clinton and others are being sued by Environmental groups for allowing Canada to already clear land for the beginning stages of the pipeline. They're pretty much suing the entire U.S. Government.
     
  8. paulitician
    Offline

    paulitician Platinum Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2011
    Messages:
    38,401
    Thanks Received:
    4,136
    Trophy Points:
    1,130
    Ratings:
    +11,972
    Some more lawsuits. This one is by some American oil refineries over getting out of their pipeline contracts with Canada due to massive cost overruns...

    CALGARY, Alta. - Three small U.S. oil refineries are suing TransCanada to get out of their contracts to ship oil on the Keystone pipeline. They say that cost overruns on the Keystone pipeline have gone over budget by 145 percent in Canada and 92 percent in the U.S.
    Canadian crude producers have already sought to be released from such contracts.
    The U.S. refineries are suing TransCanada Corp. in hopes of breaking contracts to ship oil on Keystone, a new pipeline they say has been beset with cost overruns.

    http://energypipelinenews.blogspot.com/2010/05/three-us-refineries-latest-to-sue-to.html
     
  9. healthmyths
    Offline

    healthmyths Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2011
    Messages:
    15,216
    Thanks Received:
    2,041
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +3,841
    2,925,000,000 acre feet Ogallala_Aquifer
    Equals 953 trillion gallons.
    In last 20 years 110 million gallons oil spills from ALL pipelines.
    Equal to 5.5 million gallons.
    Keystone will be 700,000 barrels/day or
    over 2,147 miles the average gallons flowing per mile/hour 570 gallons!

    Say it takes 4 hours from time monitors show leak occurred till leak stopped:
    570 gallons of oil 4 hours or 2,280 gallons leaked!

    So tell me again what is the problem?

    And the Ogallala has 953 trillion Gallons of water possibly tainted by 570 gallons of oil...
    WHAT IS THE problem???
     
  10. Lonestar_logic
    Offline

    Lonestar_logic Republic of Texas

    Joined:
    May 13, 2009
    Messages:
    24,318
    Thanks Received:
    2,193
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Ratings:
    +3,505
    What specific environmental issue are you referring to with the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Hopefully the issue isn't based on "what if's", I mean if we were to live our lives afraid of the "what if's" nothing would ever be done.
     

Share This Page