Key facts on keysont xl

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    Key Facts on Keystone XL

    Energy Security: Tar Sand will not Reduce Dependence on Foreign OilKeystone XL will not lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil, but transport Canadian oil to American refineries for export to overseas markets.

    Gas prices: Keystone XL will increase gas prices for Americans—Especially Farmers

    Jobs: TransCanada’s jobs projections are vastly inflated.

    Safety: A rupture in the Keystone XL pipeline could cause a BP style oil spill in America’s heartland, over the source of fresh drinking water for 2 million people. NASA’s top climate scientist says that fully developing the tar sands in Canada would mean “essentially game over” for the climate.

    Climate Change: Keystone XL is the fuse to North America’s biggest carbon bomb.

    Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action
     
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    These facts brought to you by a university source heavily funded by solar and wind research. This same oil could further increase our exports in oil which have been ACTUAL exports in 2011. How can gas which we never had increase our gas prices? The Canadians are just going to work with the Chinese directly now. Pretty much makes the above arguments a total fail.
     
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    What?? ok how will gas prices go because of this pipeline.

    Jobs over inflated by how much? and so what,its not over inflated for the people that it will employ,and its a huge project,it will employ many for a long time.

    As far as a spill,these piplelines a not at all like a hole in the ground,that you can't shut off,there is layer after layer of safety backups try again


    Climate change?? still opinions the sky hasn't fallen yet.

    If all the no we can't people were let to run things we would still be living in caves and chewing raw meat.
     
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    Sorry, we can't have you eating raw meat chikenwing...

    Has that cave been inspected and is it in an earthquake zone?
     
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    Ma'am - either continue adding to your many already existing threads about the pipeline, or put a cork in it. Why are you so fixated on stifling commerce in this country?

    Farmers hurt by alleged increases in fuel prices? Not with $7 corn and $12 beans.
    They are the true bandits in this country- and the true polluters.

    Farmers export millions of metric tons of grains annually, while our grocery costs go through the roof. And they make so goddamn much ethanol that THEY EXPORT 20% OF IT.

    I've already commented numerous times in your other threads about the pipeline, with no reply from you.

    Exporting refined products brings hard dollars into this country, contributes to the GDP, creates jobs, and reduces the trade deficit.

    You are a petrophobe and a sadly misinformed one at that. So get off your high horse and start making sense.

    Denying the U.S. any exportation of refined crude, regardless of its source, is anti-business and socialistic economics.

    RIGZONE - API: Proposed Oil Export Curbs Reek of N. Korean Economics

    "Any effort to restrict market forces on commodities like oil and natural gas is a North Korean style model of economics and has no place here in America," said API Chief Economist John Felmy. "Having the flexibility to export more should there be an occasional surplus of supply would go a long way to help reduce our trade deficit. We don't think that American farmers would appreciate Mr. Markey calling on them to restrict their products, and it makes no sense for an elected official to suggest this backward approach with energy."
     
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    Why, for decades, has there been a different set of rules in this country regarding oil and natural gas?

    It's a business. Very similar to farming. It's the farming of energy. Energy that fuels every other conceivable industry in our nation. Oil and gas fuels, powers, and empowers the economic engines that drive commerce on so many levels.

    And yet, it is continually derided as a pariah upon society.

    Obama doesn't want an oil company to be able to deduct ordinary costs incurred in the conduct of exploring for or producing oil and natural gas, but it's okay for Wal Mart to deduct the costs of procuring inventory from the value of its gross sales of goods.

    It's that simple. Yet people are that stupid to belive the nonsensical rhetoric that is bantied about regarding "subsidies" and "profits" of oil and gas businesses in this country.

    If the oil and gas business is so profitable, why aren't there more people involved in this line of work?

    Why don't each and every one of you go out and drill a hole in the ground for your share of these guaranteed profits?

    You stupid misinformed ignorant pieces of shit.
     
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    Oh give it up and get some new fucking material will you?

    If you don't want a friendly source of energy from a country that has no desire to declare jihad on you I couldn't give a rats ass for your moronic state of mind.

    As it is we're already your #1 supplier.

    Two Keystone phases of the pipeline have already been built. One to Illinois and one to Oklahoma.This was just to be an extension you fool.
     
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    White House issues veto threat for House transportation bill over Keystone XL provision...
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    White House issues veto threat for House transportation bill
    2/14/12 - The White House on Tuesday threatened to veto a wide-ranging transportation package from House Republicans.
     
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    Only dumbasses like you think that pollution and oil spills are good things
     
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    "...whether cross-border pipelines are in the national interest..."

    WTF?

    THIS- is from the Department of State website regarding the 2009 approval of the Alberta Clipper pipeline...

    The Department found that the addition of crude oil pipeline capacity between Canada and the United States will advance a number of strategic interests of the United States. These included increasing the diversity of available supplies among the United States’ worldwide crude oil sources in a time of considerable political tension in other major oil producing countries and regions; shortening the transportation pathway for crude oil supplies; and increasing crude oil supplies from a major non-Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries producer. Canada is a stable and reliable ally and trading partner of the United States, with which we have free trade agreements which augment the security of this energy supply.

    U.S. Department of State

    The Obama administration just gets curiouser and curiouser.... :lol:
     

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