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Gem said:You want Hillary to run our health care system?!?!? I guess that whole flu vaccine shortage didn't really matter to you...
I am supporting President Bush. I did in 2000 and he's done nothing but the best for this country since. I fully supported President Bush before Kerry was named the runner for the Democrats and I support him fully today. So you see, Kerry had nothing to do with my decision to vote for Bush, but he is the reason I Pray nightly that Bush will win!sagegirl said:I suspect that some people are not so much supporting their candidate as they are opposing the other candidate.
Sorry, I'm a little tired, so I really don't understand this. I've read it like 5 times now and all I can do is laugh, not sure why. Sorry.Maybe we should just elect a president and have him or her be our PR person, sort of like royalty, except that we can elect them.
Don't we have these people already? Now, I'll admit I'm not too smart about the forms of government (Congress, Senate, House of Representives, etc.) but I know there's alot of people in Washington, and several people in all the States, Towns, and Cities that are making alot of decisions. I'm pretty sure they're even elected or appointed. Not sure, someone correct me if I'm wrong.We could have real people, elected or appointed, do the decision making in their own best fields of expertise. We could have people in our government with diverse ideas and personalities.
I am ashamed of how the campaigning is going, too. I'm sick of how the Democrats have insulted President Bush and his administration! I'm sick of how the Republicans were just supposed to "take the high road"! And I'm sick of when a Republican finally does strike back, the world is going to come to an end! You damn right I'm ashamed!!We wouldnt have to settle for a "Package Deal " president. I wouldnt expect anybody with the qualities we expect our President to have, to lower themselves to the level of the absolute sham, or should I say scam, we call a campaign.
I would hope she'd be smarter and better educated than the average voter. She's a Senator for God's sake. Let's Pray she has a little common sense, at least more than the ones that voted her in.Regarding Hillary, .......... I think she is really intelligent, well most of these politicians are...... way smarter, or at least better educated, than the average voter.
I have no clue what you're even trying to say here so I can't respond.I think it would be great if we had Hil head a real health care forum....and it wouldnt matter a bit to me if she cared if gay couples could be married or not....dont need that to solve the health care problems. Leave that to our PR President
sagegirl said:USA Pride....I appreciated your response. Some of what I said was tongue in cheek, but the overall concern that I have is that the candidates are trying to please everybody. Consider this, lots of $$$$ are now being spent on campaign ads, which are directed at an estimated small percentage of voters. These voters havent yet been able to decide on a candidate, which makes me wonder if they have been listening for the past 6 months. The candidates are trying to sway these undecided voters with special interest concerns. ( I hope this election isnt decided on the sexual preferences of the VPs daughter. ) There are lots of things that divide us unfortunately and there are other things that unite us. I do believe that people on both sides love their country, want security and well being, and hopfully we can work together to accomplish this. I see alot of name calling and disrepect between the two (well the obvious two) sides on these issues, and it just adds to the polarization. I want a strong leader who listens and unites us. I think Bush has failed to do this, like he said in the debate we were divided in the last election and we still are. A successful leader does unite people. So on that issue I disagree with you about Bush. I do believe he will win because he is a known, a given, at a time when a lot of people feel fear and doubt. Kerry is an unknown, and he hasnt done much to prove himself, either as a matter of where he stands on issues ( I agree he is Mr. Tell em what they want to hear) or as a leader in his attempts to persuade the American people to vote for him. I have decided who I am going to vote for but I really wish I could say I was more convinced than I am that things are going to be better. If all the promises made to us by the people we have elected so far had been kept, all our problems would already be solved. Again, tongue in cheek, maybe its a conspiracy, if they resolved all the problems we wouldnt need them anymore.
sagegirl said:USA Pride....I appreciated your response.
again, LOL!!These voters havent yet been able to decide on a candidate, which makes me wonder if they have been listening for the past 6 months.
What exactly has Bush done to divide this Nation? The war? No one likes war, but sometimes it's necessary. And this war was necessary. People trying to make Bush out to be a liar and trying to make everything he says and does into a controversary is what's dividing this Nation! Ban on Partial Birth Abortion? Well thank you President Bush!! Against gay marriage? Well, would this really have been an issue if the homosexual community didn't come out in bus loads trying to get married illegally? So really, what has Bush done to divide this Nation? Besides being the one that beat Al Gore in 2000?I want a strong leader who listens and unites us. I think Bush has failed to do this, like he said in the debate we were divided in the last election and we still are. A successful leader does unite people. So on that issue I disagree with you about Bush.
The problem with promises by one person is that the one person alone can't keep those promises without everyone else that has to vote on them. You know?!If all the promises made to us by the people we have elected so far had been kept, all our problems would already be solved. Again, tongue in cheek, maybe its a conspiracy, if they resolved all the problems we wouldnt need them anymore.
To think there's a possibility that our soldiers will have to salute this man makes my heart break! That's the truth!Avatar4321 said:He betrayed us for political power before. I dont see how he can be trusted in such an honored position.
janeeng said:UsaPride - I think I remember another thread talking about Hillary and how you and I agreed how much we despise her. Just the looks on her is enough to want to hate her!!!! I can't even believe that wench is a Senator, let alone run for President. I might be female, but I don't agree with the "have a female for President thing" There are just some jobs to me, better left to a man.
Some do, some still don't.sagegirl said:When he repeats over and over again that the world is a safer place without Sadam, we get it.
He did try to get support of other countries. He did get support of other countries. The countries that wouldn't support us, well, we now know why.I dont think we should make our decisions on what other countries think of us, but I would sure like it if our leader was able to convince them that our actions were well thought out, that our intelligence was substantiated, and that we wanted their support.
France and Germany are not the "world". We do have a coalition. We have allies. Why do they not exist to some people?We are ,whether we like it or not in this time, a world community and we need to find some ground to cooperate on. So I think by failing to unite a coalition we stand apart, divided as a nation and in the world .
Really, what does being a woman have to do with it? "My body, my right"? We're talking about a baby here. A baby who has a father whose rights are obviously less important than a womans body. As a woman, I am offended by people using an excuse such as "my body, my right" for such an important issue.Face it, as a woman, I am offended that anyone else would think their stand on abortion should be forced on me.
Let them call it what they want, it's not a marriage. Fine, have a civil union. But when they say they want the same rights, such as visiting at the hospital (which I think is fair), isn't that the hospitals rules, not the Presidents? Why not go protest the hospitals instead of blaming the President?Lastly gay marriage...marriage is a legally binding civil contract. Any person can enter into a civil contract and list provisions as they see fit. I do believe that if two people have agreed to a legal contract, then health care benefits, and other privledges should be extended to them. It doesnt take anything from me to offer them that, and divides us a little less, dontcha think. The issue seems more to me that some people dont like the term marriage applied to these contracts, but face it they will call it what they want. I dont really care and either should the pres.
What are you trying to say, women can't lift heavy objects or play football? :tng:Merlin1047 said:But allow me to differ in regard to your statement "There are just some jobs to me, better left to a man." Perhaps that's true when it comes to lifting heavy objects or playing pro football.
Not what I meant at all. I just don't think our country is ready for a female president. Especially with everything that's going on, I just wouldn't feel safe. Call me old fashion, I need to know there's a man looking out for me, I guess, LOL!Do you think that men have done such a wonderful job of running the world that we should not jepoardize that track record by electing a woman?
I'm sure you're right. I just Pray it's the right woman!!I think that a woman is at least as capable as any man to hold the office of President and I think that day will be upon us much sooner than you think.
sagegirl said:You ask what has Pres. Bush done to divide this nation? First of all I dont think it is his intent to divide.....I know that he believes what he is doing is right. I just wish he could articulate it better. When he repeats over and over again that the world is a safer place without Sadam, we get it. But we still have problems, with the middle east, with s korea, with our standing in the world. I dont think we should make our decisions on what other countries think of us, but I would sure like it if our leader was able to convince them that our actions were well thought out, that our intelligence was substantiated, and that we wanted their support. We are ,whether we like it or not in this time, a world community and we need to find some ground to cooperate on. So I think by failing to unite a coalition we stand apart, divided as a nation and in the world.
Partial birth abortion.....doesnt the pres have enough on his agenda?????, He sure is entitled to his own personal beliefs and the problem I have with anyone who speaks against issues of birth control or abortion is that I think these are personal issues and each person is entitled to their own opinion. Face it, as a woman, I am offended that anyone else would think their stand on abortion should be forced on me. I cant force my opinions on them......its really a non issue but its been so exploited as to be obscene. Im not a religious person, but I would like those who are, to let me, when the time comes that I meet my maker, to plead my case then and there. If my soul goes to hell, you will know I will suffer forever for my mistakes. I dont believe it is your duty to try to save me. So please leave me alone on this one.
I do support almost every program to eliminate unwanted pregnancies, and stds, but sex is fun and not everybody takes responsibily for their actions. I believe after the fact that parents have to held accountable for their kids, and our welfare program has to get on the stick here and make the people making babies pay for them.
.Lastly gay marriage...marriage is a legally binding civil contract. Any person can enter into a civil contract and list provisions as they see fit. I do believe that if two people have agreed to a legal contract, then health care benefits, and other privledges should be extended to them. It doesnt take anything from me to offer them that, and divides us a little less, dontcha think. The issue seems more to me that some people dont like the term marriage applied to these contracts, but face it they will call it what they want. I dont really care and either should the pres
If it's not a last minute change of heart, then what is it? To suck a baby's brain out while it's half out of the mothers body, Good Lord, what good does it do? I don't get that!sagegirl said:Just to clarify a couple of things....Partial birth abortion is probably not a last minute change of heart.....I would hope that a woman knows before it gets to that stage that she does not want a child. (Hopefully she decides this before she has unprotected sex. whatever)
Slippery slope? Mistake? We're talking about Partial Birth Abortion. I'm not talking first trimester abortion, I'm talking Partial BIRTH Abortion.The problem is that we get on that slippery slope and start making so many excuses to follow laws or to not follow them. I guess at some point you have to allow a person to make a mistake if they want to, this is a free country.
And alot of fathers don't opt out of the responsibility of parenting, why should they not be recognized but the dead beat dads should?You mention fathers, and unfortunately so many opt out of the responsibility of parenting that they have given the lot a bad reputation.
Same goes for a woman that doesn't want to get pregnant, use protection or close your damn legs!!!I say to a man that doesnt want to get a woman pregnant to wear a condom.
If she doesn't want a child in the first place, have the abortion in the first trimester. I've said I'm not talking about all abortions, although I have strong feelings there too, I'm just talking about Partial Birth Abortions. If she didn't want the child then you'd think she'd relize that before the baby is actually being born.Yeah and I know you care about the child, so what do we do, force a woman to raise a child she didnt want in the first place.
I'm sure this is another "tongue in cheek" comment.You surely arent advocating taking the children away from mothers who considered having a abortion are you???
sagegirl said:Just to clarify a couple of things....Partial birth abortion is probably not a last minute change of heart.....I would hope that a woman knows before it gets to that stage that she does not want a child. (Hopefully she decides this before she has unprotected sex. whatever)
Okay, seriously, I keep hearing this as an arguement but have yet to be explained how Partial Birth Abortion is used to save the life of a mother?sagegirl said:Sorry, I assumed that partial birth abortion is a clinically necessary procedure to save the life of the mother
I do too and not one of them ever complain about having to pay for their kids. They charish their children. Now what if they weren't given a choice to be a dad? So sad for them.I know lots of men paying child support and barely having anything left to live on.....so it goes.
You said it right there, "each life is valuable".Each life is valuable and I dont know that the two sides of this will ever find a workable solution.
But yeah, I concede, partial birth abortion should not be an option.
Why, are any of the opponents running on this issue? If not, let's save that for another thread.Id be interested to know what your opinion is on taking a life as per capital punishment.....with no prejudice.
I never said anything about health care issues of gays, so I'm assuming you wrote this responding to someone elses threads.As to the health care issues of gays,